From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 00:06:17 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8146BVH010602; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:06:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81469Nf010592 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:06:09 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81469iT010591 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:06:09 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81462qZ010574 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:06:02 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81462tZ010573 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:06:02 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81460pF010557 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:06:01 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2MNv-0001lA-00; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:06:11 +0900 To: David Kastrup References: <87hdqnpeld.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6vjngnm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wtzhmf3d.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:06:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "31 Aug 2004 17:15:06 +0300") Message-ID: <87d616k4zw.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: MULE rant... X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> This operation will be called at least 4 times for every David> snippet in the text (two pieces of context for beginning David> and end of snippet, respectively) if I manage to do the David> partly-converted character stuff with a different trick and David> need only deal with the incomplete character mess, and a David> typical preview-latex document contains several thousands David> of those. If a usual computer is blocked for 10 seconds OK, well, you've done it and I haven't, so I guess I have to believe you that the computer blocks for 10 seconds for this operation only. It just seemed unlikely to me based on my experience with latin-unity. Of course, if you use regexps that need more than about 10 characters to express, it starts to become plausible. XEmacs regexps are horribly slow, and I don't suppose GNU Emacs regexps are much faster, since they use basically the same interpreter as far as I know. Use of (eg) skip-chars-forward and friends where possible beats regexps with a stick. David> We'll have to see what kind of solution is possible. I David> might also just choose to say "not supported on XEmacs, David> volunteers welcome". Probably the sanest choice. That's certainly what I would recommend. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 00:10:04 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814A3sH011036; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:10:03 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814A15a011027 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:10:01 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814A1Ce011026 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:10:01 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8149xak010995 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:09:59 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8149xGn010994 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:09:59 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8149wqN010988 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:09:59 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2MRe-0001lm-00; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:10:02 +0900 To: David Kastrup References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <878ybztzpb.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87u0unphi9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:10:02 +0900 In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "31 Aug 2004 18:24:09 +0300") Message-ID: <878ybuk4th.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: AUCTeX list , Reiner Steib , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> Probably. At some point of time we need to think about David> something sensible here. The bytecompiled stuff may not David> reliably be shared between different Emacsen. AFAIK this only matters across Emacs and XEmacs where they share a byte-compiler version number. XEmacs byte-codes haven't changed in years, and when they do, the version number gets bumped. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 00:14:25 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814EOt5011604; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:14:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814EMpA011598 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:14:22 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814EMqw011597 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:14:22 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814EKVV011576 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:14:20 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814EKUI011575 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:14:20 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814EJo8011568 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:14:19 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2MVk-0001mH-00; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:14:16 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86vff7ec1k.fsf@gmx.net> <86r7pn7csk.fsf@gmx.net> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: the load-path problem, .nosearch X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: >> I don't know how it works in XEmacs, but you have to make sure >> that autodir and styledir are _not_ included in `load-path'. Uwe> Oops I was not aware of this problem: Uwe> Auctex may generate .el files which already exists in other Uwe> xemacs packages, it seems that this problem can circumvent Uwe> for GNU Emacs by putting .nosearch in this directory. Will Uwe> such a thing also help for Xemacs. XEmacs only searches under the lisp directory in packages; if it's under etc, you'll have to put them in load-path explicitly. So this should not be a problem. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 00:37:49 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814bXZC028640; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:37:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814bVEO028633 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:37:31 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814bV3A028632 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:37:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814bQMT028616 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:37:26 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814bLHa028613 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:37:21 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814bJN5028601 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:37:20 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2Ms0-0001nl-00; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:37:16 +0900 To: David Kastrup References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16691.12870.518727.835303@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:37:16 +0900 In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "31 Aug 2004 18:20:53 +0300") Message-ID: <87wtzeiozn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: AUCTeX list , giacomo.boffi@polimi.it, Reiner Steib , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> Whatever. Emacs users preferably use what is available in David> released form, too. Still we have reasonable feedback David> about ongoing work in CVS versions from Emacs users. David> AUCTeX pretty certainly has at least a few hundred users: David> there are 50 alone that are signed up to getting release David> information from Freshmeat releases. It's not so much extra effort to provide pre-release packages as well, compared to providing only the post-release package, assuming you're not screwing with your installation procedure a lot. I can't imagine you do that more than necessary, and Uwe seems willing to deal with both any changes to configure, and with pre-releases, once the AUCTeX-on-its-own-to-XEmacs-package thang get worked out. He's certainly showing plenty of initiative here, don't you think? David> If XEmacs users don't take a look before there are David> packages, most packages will turn out to be broken. I most respectfully say, "bullshit". XEmacs packages are just a way of distributing a set of libraries, equally useful for pre-release versions if the maintainer of the XEmacs package is willing. If Uwe produces pre-release packages that people can test to give you feedback, then that should get you input for 90% of the bugs, especially showstopper performance issues. It could conceivably provide a wider range of user experience than "the usual suspects" who get everything from CVS anyway by getting reports from people who are more interested in using AUCTeX than in developing it. (Cf. G. Boffi's comment about new ways of using Emacs.) If XEmacs users are not happy with 90% of the new functionality in a given released package, then they can start using CVS and giving better (ie, change-by-change) feedback before release. David> We might at some time decide to stop providing packages David> altogether if their main effect is just to document that we David> are incapable of consistently providing anything of useful David> quality to XEmacs users. Since when does the AUCTeX project provide XEmacs packages? Somebody at XEmacs suggested it to Uwe, and he took up the challenge. With all due respect, this was partly Uwe's and partly XEmacs's initiative, not that of the AUCTeX project. That's the way it should be, IMO, unless the project has a lot of XEmacs-using developers in it. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 00:51:00 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814owOA030256; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:50:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814ov8V030250 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:50:57 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814ov8N030249 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:50:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814os0o030236 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:50:54 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i814osQt030235 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:50:54 -0400 Received: from syl.extundo.com (syl.extundo.com [212.32.189.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i814orIe030227 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:50:54 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by syl.extundo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i815EKta027569 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:14:22 +0200 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2N2I-0001os-00 for ; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:47:54 +0900 To: XEmacs beta References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:47:54 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:06:34 +1000") Message-ID: <87sma2iohx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 212.32.189.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: >>>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: Ralf> Another disadvantage for XEmacs/AUCTeX users is that help Ralf> strings are not available in menus. >> It wouldn't occur to me to implement such a thing, and I would >> turn it off as soon as it appeared. But I can very easily live >> with a `menu-help-sucks' flag, even defaulted to `nil'. SY> Isn't it there already? ... SY> C-h k clickety clickety click... Bingo! SY> Well, would ya look at that, there's the doc string for that SY> menu item's function. In GNU Emacs, IIRC, help strings produce what we call "balloon help" (and if that's not available, a message flashes in the echo area). This need not be related to the menu item's function, and can't be, in the case of a submenu. (Try C-h k on a submenu. I think that behavior is a bug.) This comes more or less "for free" in GNU Emacs because toolbars (where even IMAO balloon help is sensible) and menus are implemented with the same underlying structure (key maps). I'll bet that rms has asked the Happy Hacker people to implement proximity sensors so that the same advantages can be extended to keystrokes. ;-) I think that, given that there's plenty of room for 20-40 character menu items (especially in XEmacs where menus will cascade in the opposite direction if there is not enough room), sufficiently expressive menu items are preferable to balloon help. But that's a matter of style. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> RS == Reiner Steib [2004-8-28] RS> On Sat, Aug 28 2004, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: >> Reiner> But it should be better placed in a directory for Reiner> modifiable data, usually "/var/auctex". >> >> Surely that violates the FHS? RS> Is this a question or a statement? IIRC, Davide Salvetti (Debian RS> developer) introduced it in AUCTeX so I'd assume he took care of it RS> (or configure should?). Jumping in the thread, I haven't read previous articles. FHS proper place is "/var/lib/auctex", if I'm not mistaken (that's what I use on Debian, via "configure --with-auto-dir"). The default I introduced in AUCTeX is the GNU standard "${localstatedir}/auctex". --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- `localstatedir' The directory for installing data files which the programs modify while they run, and that pertain to one specific machine. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an chéad lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > Aidan> I know [latin-unity is] a kludge--I still think its API > Aidan> should be preserved. An efficient way to ask "can this > Aidan> buffer be encoded in iso-8859-1 without losing data" would > Aidan> be, and is, worthwhile. > > What's wrong with Just Doing It, and dealing with the error if data > loss would occur? If you're writing lisp code that works on current XEmacs, you don't see an error when data loss occurs. If lisp code is going to work on 21.4 (sure, you don't ever use it--but I was up until the other day, because this 21.5.17 dropped characters for me when I was accessing it via Apple's Terminal. I've switched over to XTerm (changed machine and OS) and this latter is sufficiently slow that XEmacs has time to catch up. Mostly.), and every version of 21.5 up to now, then it has to assume that data loss will occur and it won't know about it. > [...] Note that the problem that latin-unity addresses is not efficiency, > but rather that our current ISO-8859-X, X != 1, coding systems simply use > ISO 2022 extensions to encode non-ISO-8859-X characters (typically not > what is wanted), while ISO-8859-1 (aka binary) just throws away anything > that isn't ISO-8859-1 and replaces it with ~. > > With that context, do you still see a need for a testing API? _If_ encode-coding-region signalled error when it saw something it couldn't encode, then sure, the approach you describe would absolutely make sense. It doesn't at the moment, and I don't see any projections for when it will. For people in the Lisp world, writing portable code, testing is what they have to do. (Or, like many of them do, ignore it.) FSF Emacs does the degrade-to-iso-2022 thing too; which _is_ an error outside East Asia. _No_ other program (besides the web browser) understands it. Users, in general, look at the escape sequences and have no idea what to do with them, besides delete them. > Most politically important, though, is Han disunity ;-). In general, > different languages will prefer different fonts, and we should cater > to that, not by changing faces, but by providing faces that map > languages (not charsets) to fonts. Right. Sounds cool. (Though I don't imagine there will be much metadata you can trust to differentiate between French and German--the differing Han character sets provide that metadata, there's no obligation to do provide it in any form in Western Europe. Or in the Americas, for English and Spanish. And heuristic algorithms going wrong are very, very sucky. ) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Stephen J. Turnbull (2004-09-01) writes: >>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: > > Ralf> Well, XEmacs (21.4 or 21.5) doesn't seem to provide > Ralf> functionality for lowering or raising characters, be it via > Ralf> faces or extents. > > Glyphs have a baseline property: The current implementation in AUCTeX (which is just an adaption of the code in CVS Emacs) does the whole lowering/raising stuff via font-locking. The match function will return a list of text properties which looks like '(face foo-face display (raise 0.3)). So my (maybe naive) approach was to try your suggestion by just returning something like '(end-glyph (make-glyph "X")) in the hope that this is somehow translated by the text properties interface to the respective extent property. But AFAICS `font-lock-apply-highlight' cannot handle such lists (the same is true for Emacs 21.3 or earlier). > Ralf> For example the functionality related to extents or text > Ralf> properties respectively. At least in XEmacs 21.4.15 I could > Ralf> not find a way to generate a glyph (to be used with the > Ralf> 'end-glyph property of an extent) which holds line breaks or > Ralf> multiple faces. > > Why do you need to do that? (There may be alternative ways to > accomplish the task.) You may simply need to use the baseline or > contrib-p flags, but I've never really tried it. Sorry, I probably switched topics without indicating this clearly. AUCTeX provides functionality to "fold" LaTeX macros and environments. That means, if you have e.g. "\emph{foo}" in your LaTeX source you can hide the macro part and the braces and only "foo" will be displayed with the respective face provided by font-locking. Another possibility is to show a predefined string instead of the whole macro. That means you can display "[f]" instead of "\footnote{bar}". The original content will only be revealed upon entering the display string with the cursor. There are cases where the content of the LaTeX macro spans several lines in the buffer. This is handled nicely by Emacs where the display property of an overlay can hold linebreaks. In XEmacs the end-glyph property of an extent is used with a glyph made of the contents of the LaTeX macro. Unfortunately linebreaks will vanish if the respective string is transformed to a glyph. As an example, suppose you have this in your buffer: text text text text text text text text text text \emph{foo foo foo foo foo foo} text text text text In Emacs you'll get text text text text text text text text text text foo foo foo foo foo foo text text text text In XEmacs you'll get text text text text text text text text text text foo foo foofoo foo foo text text text text > Ralf> Another disadvantage for XEmacs/AUCTeX users is that help > Ralf> strings are not available in menus. > > It wouldn't occur to me to implement such a thing, and I would turn it > off as soon as it appeared. But I can very easily live with a > `menu-help-sucks' flag, even defaulted to `nil'. > > *Ask, for Heaven's sake!* If you haven't noticed, I just did. (c; (I, personally, haven't done so before because, like you, I don't think that this a very valuable feature.) -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 07:45:05 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81BitlN005173; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:44:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81BiqU5005165 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:44:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81Biqx0005164 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:44:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81Bik13005148 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:44:46 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81BikSo005147 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:44:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81Bij8v005140; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:44:45 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C2TXt-0007AH-Gs; Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:44:58 -0400 To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16691.12870.518727.835303@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87wtzeiozn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: David Kastrup Date: 01 Sep 2004 14:44:51 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87wtzeiozn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Message-ID: Lines: 80 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of dak@gnu.org designates 199.232.76.164 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: AUCTeX list , giacomo.boffi@polimi.it, Reiner Steib , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > > David> Whatever. Emacs users preferably use what is available > David> in released form, too. Still we have reasonable feedback > David> about ongoing work in CVS versions from Emacs users. > David> AUCTeX pretty certainly has at least a few hundred users: > David> there are 50 alone that are signed up to getting release > David> information from Freshmeat releases. > > It's not so much extra effort to provide pre-release packages as > well, compared to providing only the post-release package, assuming > you're not screwing with your installation procedure a lot. I can't > imagine you do that more than necessary, and Uwe seems willing to > deal with both any changes to configure, and with pre-releases, once > the AUCTeX-on-its-own-to-XEmacs-package thang get worked out. He's > certainly showing plenty of initiative here, don't you think? Yes, but Uwe basically admits to having no clue about either the XEmacs packaging system as well as AUCTeX internals. In addition, he has quite a busy schedule as well. As a result, there has not even been a packaging of AUCTeX 11.14. A package appears if and when Uwe manages to get something stuffed together which happens to work. I find it completely amazing that he manages to actually get XEmacs packages produced at some time: he is more or less our test user as well as package provider in personal union. I don't want to downplay his involvement: except for him, there would be no XEmacs package whatsoever. But he is not somebody that would be able to help with the quality of any XEmacs port or package: his work is to bring a package into existence in the first place. He now immerges himself into some more details worth discussing, and it might be that we get somewhat more conformant to whatever happens to be out there as a result. But he really is involved with nothing except turning AUCTeX into a package, and all of the rest of XEmacs compatibility/support falls to the lot of non-XEmacs users. > David> If XEmacs users don't take a look before there are > David> packages, most packages will turn out to be broken. > > I most respectfully say, "bullshit". XEmacs packages are just a way > of distributing a set of libraries, equally useful for pre-release > versions if the maintainer of the XEmacs package is willing. If Uwe > produces pre-release packages that people can test to give you > feedback, then that should get you input for 90% of the bugs, > especially showstopper performance issues. You need to organize prerelease stuff on different servers and so on. Again, this means quite a bit of work of Uwe, not least of all finding out about all this. > David> We might at some time decide to stop providing packages > David> altogether if their main effect is just to document that we > David> are incapable of consistently providing anything of useful > David> quality to XEmacs users. > > Since when does the AUCTeX project provide XEmacs packages? Somebody > at XEmacs suggested it to Uwe, and he took up the challenge. With all > due respect, this was partly Uwe's and partly XEmacs's initiative, not > that of the AUCTeX project. And Uwe is not part of the AUCTeX project? Since when? He has CVS access, he is the author of the FAQ draft, he is the only one caring about XEmacs at the moment. If you say that he should not consider himself to be part of the project, you should tell him the reasons for that, I guess. > That's the way it should be, IMO, unless the project has a lot of > XEmacs-using developers in it. XEmacs-using _developers_? Zero. Uwe is an active participant, but he does not meddle with code. Which is the reason that I have no way to get information other than from the XEmacs lists. Which turns out into hours of letting myself be berated and defending myself every time, and thus is an expensive option. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 10:45:10 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81Eiq6s007419; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:53 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81EipWe007403 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:51 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81EipIp007402 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81Eii5V007364 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:44 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81Eiijg007363 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:44 -0400 Received: from renyi.hu (hexagon.math-inst.hu [193.224.79.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81EigUa007351 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:44:43 -0400 Received: from pc63.math-inst.hu (pc63.math-inst.hu [193.224.79.63]) by renyi.hu (8.8.8/8.8.8/3s) with ESMTP id QAA05432 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:44:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by renyi.hu via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:44:52 +0200 (CEST) From: braung@renyi.hu (Braun Gabor) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:44:52 +0200 To: XEmacs Beta Message-ID: <20040901144452.GA4881@renyi.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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When editing a LaTeX file, I try to insert the 'align' environments by typing C-c C-e a l TAB but XEmacs says that there is no completion. I think the problem is with the file lisp/auctex/tex-site.el Looking at http://cvs.xemacs.org/viewcvs.cgi/XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/auctex/tex-site.el.diff?r1=1.7&r2=1.8 I have found that the declaration of TeX-lisp-directory and some lines below has been commented out again (without being mentioned in the log). I think this was a mistake because it changes the correct value of TeX-lisp-directory to "@AUCDIR", a non-existent directory. I have commented the lines out again in my copy of tex-site.el and this solved the problem. Yours faithfully, Gabor Braun ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux gabor 2.4.24.+2004.3.3 #1 Wed Mar 3 09:11:01 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux ./configure '--with-widgets=lucid' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-mule' '--with-file-coding' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /home/gabor/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr/local Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow Compiler version: 2.95.4 Compiler specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of jdsmith@as.arizona.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Disabled Glyphs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org For the IDLWAVE package I maintain, I have started using GNU Emacs "disabled" glyphs to indicated disabled breakpoints in the margin. This is simple in GNU Emacs V21: (if disabled (setq image-props (append image-props (list :conversion 'disabled)))) (setq string (propertize "@" 'display (list (list 'margin 'left-margin) image-props))) (overlay-put ov 'before-string string)) the key being the :conversion overlay property. This grays out my XPM glyphs while still preserving the detail in their appearance, and is easy to undo. Is there a straightforward method using XEmacs glyphs to accomplish the same thing? Right now I'm just using (make-glyph xpm-string) to create the glyphs. Thanks, JD From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 14:27:23 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IRFhI010158; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IRDwn010141 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:13 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81IRDD7010140 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IR8i0010088 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:08 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81IR8k1010086 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:08 -0400 Received: from mail.esperi.org.uk (user90818@41-052.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.52]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IR7a6010074 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:27:07 -0400 Received: from esperi.org.uk (user30201@amaterasu.srvr.nix [192.168.14.14]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IRJ2i006324 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:27:19 +0100 Received: (from nix@localhost) by esperi.org.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81IRIum021798; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:27:18 +0100 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Nix X-Emacs: anything free is worth what you paid for it. Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:27:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:34:31 +0900") Message-ID: <87sma1g7zt.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nix@esperi.org.uk does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Wed, 01 Sep 2004, Stephen J. Turnbull yowled: > Glyphs have a baseline property: ... which works, as well: preview-latex uses it, so I don't see any reason why auctex shouldn't. > You can (in theory, I don't think the functionality is used at all, so > may be buggy) substitute arbitrary glyphs for characters via display > tables, thus effectively creating a font of super/subscripts. I used this in a desultory fashion a while back and it seemed to work. -- `The copyright file is for everyone. That we make it available in plain-text, uncompressed form rather than in spinning, throbbing OpenGL-rendered 3D text over a thumping dance music soundtrack is a feature, not a bug.' --- Branden Robinson From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 14:44:54 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IimIe012861; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IikiH012850 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81IijSQ012849 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:45 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81IifOM012827 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:41 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81IifdJ012821 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:41 -0400 Received: from tango.crhc.uiuc.edu (tango.crhc.uiuc.edu [130.126.140.246]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81Iidvk012813 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:44:40 -0400 Received: from tango.crhc.uiuc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tango.crhc.uiuc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i81Iiovd026139 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:44:50 -0500 Received: (from mahesri@localhost) by tango.crhc.uiuc.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i81IinqB026135; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:44:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:44:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200409011844.i81IinqB026135@tango.crhc.uiuc.edu> From: Aqeel Mahesri To: XEmacs Beta Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of mahesri@tango.crhc.uiuc.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] xemacs crashes on the following file X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! When I cut/pasted the description into the comment in the following file, xemacs hung: //-*- C++ -*- /******************************************************************************* rePLay Simulation Tools Copyright (c) 2004, Advanced Computing Systems (ACS) Group, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. All rights reserved. This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. File: memory-event.h Author: Aqeel A. Mahesri Description: The memory event base class. This is an internal representation of communication between memory elements. Specific types of memory events are defined in the headers for the specific memory elements that use them. ******************************************************************************/ #ifndef MEMORY_ELEMENT_H #define MEMORY_ELEMENT_H /// The memory event base class. This is an internal representation of communication between memory elements. Specific types of memory events are defined in the headers for the specific memory elements that use them #endif ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux chaos.crhc.uiuc.edu 2.4.18-19.7.xsmp #1 SMP Thu Dec 12 07:32:09 EST 2002 i686 unknown ./configure '--prefix=/usr/local/encap/xemacs-21.4.15' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /scr/mkidd/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr/local/encap/xemacs-21.4.15 Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow Compiler version: 2.96 Compiler specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. libc: glibc-2.2.5-42 Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw - Athena library to link: Xaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 19:21:30 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81NL5BY017517; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:21:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81NL3vD017509 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:21:03 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81NL3Hs017508 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:21:03 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81NKt75017476 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:20:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i81NKtic017475 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:20:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (as4-3-6.sbg.s.bonet.se [217.215.34.130]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i81NKsTr017464 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:20:54 -0400 Received: from pelle by localhost with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C2ecC-0002wg-5t for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:34:08 +0200 From: Pelle Nilsson To: XEmacs Beta Message-Id: Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:34:08 +0200 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of pellenilsson@fastmail.fm does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] Newlines in query-replace X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! When doing an "I-search" or "Regexp I-search", it is possible to press control+J to match newline characters, so for example, "car^J" will match the word car only when it's at the end of a line. In "Query replace" and "Query replace regexp" however, control+J has the same effect as control+M or the enter key. I suspect this is a bug since I can't see a logical reason for this difference in behaviour between I-search and Query replace, and since I haven't found any other way of matching newline characters in Query replace. I apologize if I got it all wrong. /Pelle ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux penell 2.6.8.1 #1 Mon Aug 16 20:44:52 JST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux ./configure '--with-sound=none,native' '--with-x11' '--extra-verbose' '--with-site-lisp' '--with-database=berkdb' '--statedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/xemacs-21.4.15' '--prefix=/usr' '--dynamic' '--error-checking=none' '--debug=no' '--with-pop' '--with-gpm=no' '--with-file-coding' '--pdump' '--with_menubars=lucid' '--with_scrollbars=lucid' '--with_dialogs=athena' '--docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs-21.4.15/i386-debian-linux/nomule/' '--with-mule=no' '--package-path=~/.xemacs:~/.xemacs/packages:~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages::/usr/share/xemacs21/xemacs-packages:/usr/share/xemacs21/site-packages' 'i386-debian-linux' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i386-debian-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /home/mohura/debsrc/xemacs21-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9) Compiler specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.4/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Need to guess glibc1/2/etc here Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw - Athena library to link: Xaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Compiling in support for file coding. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 20:03:16 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8202uei023552; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:03:01 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8202t7u023546 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:02:55 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8202sNc023545 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:02:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8202oTF023527 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:02:50 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8202o9h023526 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:02:50 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8202lpV023518 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:02:49 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8202uQ7032490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:02:56 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8202uQg032489; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:02:56 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: function,character,replace,query,overwrite,mode,control,characters References: From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta , Pelle Nilsson Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:02:53 +1000 In-Reply-To: (Pelle Nilsson's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:34:08 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: Pelle Nilsson Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] Newlines in query-replace X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Pelle Nilsson writes: > When doing an "I-search" or "Regexp I-search", it is possible to press > control+J to match newline characters, so for example, "car^J" will > match the word car only when it's at the end of a line. In "Query > replace" and "Query replace regexp" however, control+J has the same > effect as control+M or the enter key. I suspect this is a bug since I > can't see a logical reason for this difference in behaviour between > I-search and Query replace, and since I haven't found any other way of > matching newline characters in Query replace. I apologize if I got it > all wrong. It's not a bug. How is XEmacs supposed to know that when you typed C-j you didn't mean C-j but you really meant the literal character C-j? Well, it can, quite easily, providing you tell it to, like so... C-s word C-q C-j (without the whitespace of course) That will do an isearch-forward for "word" at the end of a line. ,----[ C-h k C-q ] | C-q runs `quoted-insert' | | `quoted-insert' is an interactive compiled Lisp function | -- loaded from "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp/simple.elc" | (quoted-insert ARG) | | Documentation: | Read next input character and insert it. | This is useful for inserting control characters. | You may also type up to 3 octal digits, to insert a character with that code. | | In overwrite mode, this function inserts the character anyway, and | does not handle octal digits specially. This means that if you use | overwrite as your normal editing mode, you can use this function to | insert characters when necessary. | | In binary overwrite mode, this function does overwrite, and octal | digits are interpreted as a character code. 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Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:19:29 +0900 In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "01 Sep 2004 14:44:51 +0300") Message-ID: <878ybtr08e.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: AUCTeX list , Reiner Steib , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> Yes, but Uwe basically admits to having no clue about David> either the XEmacs packaging system as well as AUCTeX David> internals. Once we get the packaging stuff done _once_, it will continue to work until the next time you make major changes to configure. I think we can trust you not to do that just to make Uwe's life hard. :-) Most of the scutwork of releasing packages and moving them to servers, etc, is done by Norbert Koch, as part of the XEmacs project. Uwe's role is (1) to keep up with AUCTeX lists etc, and (2) to maintain a vendor branch of AUCTeX in the XEmacs CVS repository. (Of course he can do any other work he wants to, but that's what the package system asks of him.) David> But he really is involved with nothing except turning David> AUCTeX into a package, and all of the rest of XEmacs David> compatibility/support falls to the lot of non-XEmacs users. Something is very wrong with that picture, IMO, unless you really want to do it for reasons of your own. That wouldn't surprise me; I've gone out of my way for ports, packages, and/or versions of packages I don't use, either for hack value or public service. I'll probably end up doing it again real soon, for AUCTeX and maybe preview-latex, unless somebody beats me to it. But it's not very stable; really the users should be doing this. David> You need to organize prerelease stuff on different servers David> and so on. Again, this means quite a bit of work of Uwe, David> not least of all finding out about all this. Sure, but (so far) he's not complaining about the work, he's just sad it's not progressing faster. David> And Uwe is not part of the AUCTeX project? That's not what I said; what I said was that the initiative for Uwe becoming the XEmacs package maintainer came from the XEmacs project side of things. He came to us and said "don't you think there should be a release of AUCTeX 11.x?" And, in proper rms fashion, we (I think it was me, but it could very well have been Steve Y or Ville or Norbert, I forget) replied, "would you like to do that?" David> Which is the reason that I have no way to get information David> other than from the XEmacs lists. David> Which turns out into hours of letting myself be berated and David> defending myself every time, and thus is an expensive David> option. Well, if you'd start by asking us for help in doing things _before_ you waste a couple man-months on becoming half an expert in XEmacs arcana, rather than coming in ex post and berating us for all the time you wasted, you could save both on development effort and flame time. _Please_ ask us for help. We _love_ working on XEmacs. Sure, there's a risk you might be told, "sorry, nobody here has enough interest and time," but in that case you've lost very little, right? -- Institute of Policy and Planning From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 20:34:17 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820Xsjq028807; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:34:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820XqI7028798 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i820XqX0028794 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820Xn4s028775 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:49 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i820Xn96028774 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:49 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820XlQm028767 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:33:47 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2fY8-0006Bo-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:34:00 +0900 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:34:00 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Ralf Angeli's message of "Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:22:30 +0200") Message-ID: <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: Ralf> The current implementation in AUCTeX (which is just an Ralf> adaption of the code in CVS Emacs) does the whole Ralf> lowering/raising stuff via font-locking. This is not going to work in XEmacs any time soon, and my initial reaction is that it is an abuse of text properties. *sigh* We'll see, but it will surely not be implemented in XEmacs 21.4, because it would require serious meddling with redisplay. >> Why do you need to [put linebreaks and multiple faces in an end >> glyph]? (There may be alternative ways to accomplish the >> task.) You may simply need to use the baseline or contrib-p >> flags, but I've never really tried it. Ralf> Sorry, I probably switched topics without indicating this Ralf> clearly. AUCTeX provides functionality to "fold" LaTeX Ralf> macros and environments. That means, if you have Ralf> e.g. "\emph{foo}" in your LaTeX source you can hide the Ralf> macro part and the braces and only "foo" will be displayed Ralf> with the respective face provided by font-locking. Another Ralf> possibility is to show a predefined string instead of the Ralf> whole macro. That means you can display "[f]" instead of Ralf> "\footnote{bar}". The original content will only be Ralf> revealed upon entering the display string with the cursor. Ralf> There are cases where the content of the LaTeX macro spans Ralf> several lines in the buffer. This is handled nicely by Ralf> Emacs where the display property of an overlay can hold Ralf> linebreaks. In XEmacs the end-glyph property of an extent Ralf> is used with a glyph made of the contents of the LaTeX Ralf> macro. Unfortunately linebreaks will vanish if the Ralf> respective string is transformed to a glyph. It's a hack but what you probably could do is use a layout glyph. A layout glyph is a compound glyph like a TeX box. It is either an hbox or a vbox (determined by a property in the layout's initializer). Unfortunately this is not documented at all, I'm afraid. I've got a bit in a workspace for 21.5, but the best place to look is in dialog-items.el, I think, which gives an example of a complex layout (a search dialog). I gather that the reason that the real content is in the glyph and the display is in the buffer is because XEmacs end glyphs cannot be entered by the pointer? >> *Ask, for Heaven's sake!* Ralf> If you haven't noticed, I just did. (c; (I, personally, Ralf> haven't done so before because, like you, I don't think that Ralf> this a very valuable feature.) OK. You have my apologies. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 20:49:54 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820ngsV031600; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:49:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820kKTE030988 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:46:21 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i820kKZe030986 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:46:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820kH0j030954 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:46:18 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i820kHZY030953 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:46:17 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820kFNs030906; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:46:16 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2fk9-0006EC-00; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:46:25 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <87hdqnpeld.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6vjngnm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16689.63315.372140.604801@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87sma5md82.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16690.58865.231976.755719@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87llfuk6xx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16693.34089.548622.128425@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:46:25 +0900 In-Reply-To: <16693.34089.548622.128425@ns5.nestdesign.com> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:15:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87zn49pkf2.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i820kFNs030906 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-mule@xemacs.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Unicode. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: Aidan> If you're writing lisp code that works on current XEmacs, Aidan> you don't see an error when data loss occurs. Sure, that's what latin-unity is for. But we're talking futures. Aidan> this 21.5.17 dropped characters for me when I was accessing Aidan> it via Apple's Terminal. OK, I remember that bug. There's a patch in process for lstreams (internal I/O handling) that might fix this. Aidan> _If_ encode-coding-region signalled error when it saw Aidan> something it couldn't encode, then sure, the approach you Aidan> describe would absolutely make sense. It doesn't at the Aidan> moment, and I don't see any projections for when it will. It's trivial to make it do so, and it's very high on my list because Hrvoje Nik¹iæ has been asking for it forever (more precisely, he has been asking for XEmacs to not silently destroy data/convert to ISO 2022, and this is an important step in that direction). I won't recommend that individual change for 21.4, because I don't know what else it might screw up. Aidan> Though I don't imagine there will be much metadata you can Aidan> trust to differentiate between French and German If you don't have metadata, you don't do it. But I'm thinking about people working with (say) XML DTDs designed for translation, and we can provide AUCTeX/x-symbol/preview-latex-like WYSIACATWYGTS (What You See Is A Closer Approximation To What You Get Than Source) facilities, MIME mail, etc. Aidan> And heuristic algorithms going wrong are very, very sucky. A very succinct description of practically everything that's wrong with Mule. :-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 1 20:54:40 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820sSGD032603; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:54:29 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820sQIh032595 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:54:27 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i820sQPg032594 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:54:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820sPra032583 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:54:25 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i820sP5P032582 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:54:25 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i820sO1J032571 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:54:24 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2fs2-0006FW-00; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:54:34 +0900 To: Pelle Nilsson References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:54:34 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Pelle Nilsson's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 01:34:08 +0200") Message-ID: <87vfexpk1h.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] Newlines in query-replace X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Pelle" == Pelle Nilsson writes: Pelle> I haven't found any other way of matching newline Pelle> characters in Query replace. Use `quoted-insert', which is bound to C-q. Ie, C-s C-q C-j finds the next newline. C-s C-q C-q finds the next ^Q, etc. The difference between C-s (which needs its own special keymap so that search characters are inserted in the target string _and then_ the target is searched again) and M-% (which just reads a string from the minibuffer, then searches) is historical behavior, so unlikely to change, especially if it is GNU Emacs-compatible. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: David Kastrup Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] Bug in package-require X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * David Kastrup writes: > Recent keystrokes: > ----------------- > ESC: ( p a > c k a g e - r e q u i r e SPC ' x e m a c s - b a s > e SPC 2 . 0 ) RET > Recent messages (most recent first): > ----------------------------------- > format specifier %g doesn't match argument type Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention, David. A patch to fix this will be submitted in a couple of minutes. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE2vtoACgkQHSfbS6lLMAPeDQCgyb2DFm2DZUwBDxFaHlQCIyxk GaUAn0G9POe3WS/an78kJYahiumiX53Q =+/A9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 02:56:39 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i826uJnM001809; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:56:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i826uIU0001799 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:56:18 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i826uIX5001798 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:56:18 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i826uElT001785 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:56:14 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i826uD2F001783 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i826uCLb001774 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i826tuBU009527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:55:57 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i826tt8U009526; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:55:55 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta References: <20040901144452.GA4881@renyi.hu> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: Braun Gabor Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] AUCTeX does not find its style file X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Braun Gabor writes: > changes the correct value of TeX-lisp-directory to "@AUCDIR", > a non-existent directory. > I have commented the lines out again in my copy of tex-site.el > and this solved the problem. Hmm. I had fixed tex-site.el back in December 2001. Looks like we've had some over zealous synching. I think the biggest problem is that nobody in the Auctex camp has a clear enough understanding of the XEmacs packaging way of life. :-) I'll see what I can do about helping them to get the next version right[tm]. Thanks very much for your report, Braun. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE2w/sACgkQHSfbS6lLMAPfVACguy7SXfxb38bYrsfxlaimVemL iGwAnRlLqHyZcd1dP1tA2X9OTFy9eulf =m3s0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 03:03:00 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8272mGG002859; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:02:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8272kKt002851 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:02:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8272kSX002850 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:02:46 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8272ii6002837 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:02:44 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8272iUr002836 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:02:44 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8272gxX002830 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:02:43 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8272t2k009753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:02:55 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8272tlP009752; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:02:55 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: itimer,seems References: From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Now-Playing: Daddy Long Legs --- [Tumbleweed] X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:02:52 +1000 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:28:32 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: with-timeout suggestion X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Jerry James writes: > Here is a version of with-timeout that use itimers directly, and makes > idle timers, which seems consistent with the Emacs docstring. The > question is this: where should it go? It seems to belong in itimer.el, > but that is not package-ized. I would rather see these go into some > package. How about something like itimer-funcs.el in xemacs-base? If > this seems acceptable, I'll try to work up an itimer version of > run-at-time as well. Absolutely brilliant!! I've been wanting this for so long that I can't remember why I wanted it. :-P Something in Gnus I'd bet. I'd rather have these in itimer.el simply because we're used to... (if (featurep 'xemacs) (require 'itimer) (require 'timer)) What do you think about moving itimer.el out of core and into xemacs-base and then just add your new functions/macros to itimer.el? -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE2xZ8ACgkQHSfbS6lLMAOhXwCfV1F0BCNqhVm51wBv+MeGyXBA nKcAoK9o7a5IrPNJ7IDlNCi74kUAmZ3s =II3q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 03:27:06 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i827QmvC006296; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:26:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i827Qk4E006280 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:26:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i827Qk64006279 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:26:46 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i827QeN4006256 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:26:40 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i827QexC006255 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:26:40 -0400 Received: from mailhost.trusted-logic.fr (mailhost.trusted-logic.fr [194.250.150.5]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i827QcpI006246 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 03:26:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBB6148 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailhost.trusted-logic.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crozet.trusted-logic.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41283-10 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wight.trusted-logic.fr (wight.trusted-logic.fr [192.168.1.210]) by mailhost.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9FA14D for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from brehat.trusted-logic.fr (brehat.trusted-logic.fr [192.168.4.130]) by wight.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AFF71381 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by brehat.trusted-logic.fr (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6D30969E38; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Erwan David To: XEmacs Beta Message-Id: <20040902072650.6D30969E38@brehat.trusted-logic.fr> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at trusted-logic.fr Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of erwan.david@trusted-logic.fr does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.14] dead key no more recognized when using UTF-8 locale X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! When using a UTF-8 locale, my xemacs no longer works with dead-keys. When I want to type a a-circumflex (on my french keyboard, dead-circumflex then a) I get the following error : U00E2 not defined. (other U00xx codes for other letters). ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux brehat 2.4.20-1-k7 #1 Sat Mar 22 15:17:52 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux ./configure '--with-mule' '--with-xfs' XEmacs 21.4.14 "Reasonable Discussion" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /spare/xemacs-21.4.14 Installation prefix: /usr/local Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. 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Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. 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Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Now-Playing: Nightmare By The Sea --- [Jeff Buckley] X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:32:57 +1000 In-Reply-To: <87vffskfc7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:14:48 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: xlib/xwem startup messages X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Stephen J Turnbull writes: >>>>>> "Jens" == Jens Petersen writes: Jens> Was there ever a final resolution to the xlib/xwem messages Jens> at startup issue? > Jerry James submitted a patch that (once you rebuild the > auto-autoloads files, which requires an explicit make distclean in the > package directory) works around the problem. > However, as far as I can tell around 1000 autoload cookies should be > removed from the xlib package Evgeny and I were talking about this the other day. To cut a long story short, he's on top of this. Although he's going to be out of touch for a while longer... his wife is about to give birth to his 2nd child fairly soon so he has quite a bit on his mind right now. :-) -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE2zKsACgkQHSfbS6lLMAOtuACg0rtpguwAnXkpd3oJ2xQq/CLA 6HEAoNUs2ihx68q6WIiH3C5ps3r5Ena3 =Tt1I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 04:08:33 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8288Ain013431; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:08:21 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82887ph013417 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:08:07 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82886vp013416 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:08:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82881Mj013369 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:08:01 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82881sJ013361 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:08:01 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8287xx1013344 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:08:00 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2mdg-0007kH-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:08:12 +0200 Received: from iwi190.iwi.uni-sb.de ([134.96.72.190]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:08:12 +0200 Received: from angeli by iwi190.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:08:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Ralf Angeli Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:09:22 +0200 Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: iwi190.iwi.uni-sb.de Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fWq/bAtmK1cD0OMcGjAPV2WC2WA= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Stephen J. Turnbull (2004-09-02) writes: >>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: > > Ralf> There are cases where the content of the LaTeX macro spans > Ralf> several lines in the buffer. This is handled nicely by > Ralf> Emacs where the display property of an overlay can hold > Ralf> linebreaks. In XEmacs the end-glyph property of an extent > Ralf> is used with a glyph made of the contents of the LaTeX > Ralf> macro. Unfortunately linebreaks will vanish if the > Ralf> respective string is transformed to a glyph. > > It's a hack but what you probably could do is use a layout glyph. A > layout glyph is a compound glyph like a TeX box. It is either an hbox > or a vbox (determined by a property in the layout's initializer). Hm, I doubt that a box would be useful for content with a shape like ...........xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx........ where I want to collapse/expand the "x" content only and leave the dotted stuff alone. > Unfortunately this is not documented at all, I'm afraid. I've got a > bit in a workspace for 21.5, but the best place to look is in > dialog-items.el, I think, which gives an example of a complex layout > (a search dialog). Does this work for you? I have a compiled CVS XEmacs here (about two weeks old) which I started out of its build directory (so it is not installed properly yet). If I click on "Edit --> Find..." nothing happens. I took a part of `make-search-dialog' for testing purposes, put it into a function (defun foo (from to) (let ((extent (make-extent from to)) (glyph (make-glyph `[layout :orientation horizontal :vertically-justify top :horizontally-justify center :border [string :data "Search"] :items ([layout :orientation vertical :justify top ; implies left also :items ([string :data "Search for:"])])]))) (set-extent-property extent 'end-glyph glyph))) and this doesn't do anything either. Did I miss something? -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 04:14:00 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828Dm0w014411; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:13:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828AYsj013937 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:10:34 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828AYOc013935 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:10:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828AWpW013912 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:10:32 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828AVDV013911 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:10:31 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828AUE4013890 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:10:31 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828Agwg011294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:10:43 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828AgEE011293; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:10:42 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Keywords: auctex, xemacs-packages, xemacs, locate-data-directory, etc, usr, local, lib References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86vff7ec1k.fsf@gmx.net> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: > I don't know how it works in XEmacs, but you have to make sure that > autodir and styledir are _not_ included in `load-path'. If that's the case then the best thing to do is to hang these directories off ./xemacs-packages/etc/$package And you can get there programmatically with `locate-data-directory'... (locate-data-directory "auctex") => "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/" (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "auto" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) => "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/auto/" (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "style" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) => "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/style/" -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE21YIACgkQHSfbS6lLMAM7lQCgvuy+NmYOKIK6gS05iHy18uIq q34An2Tf/EH2l4anrcL5S2Aj5Hc8Lcpi =yIxN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 04:24:24 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828O8Gp016008; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:24:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828O6OZ015999 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:24:06 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828O6ns015998 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:24:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828O1gG015977 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:24:01 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828O1sT015976 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:24:01 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828O00J015961 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:24:00 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828OCOK011538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:24:13 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828OCmK011537; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:24:12 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: data,var,dummy,package,nosearch,files,file,directory References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86vff7ec1k.fsf@gmx.net> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Uwe Brauer writes: > Thanks, meanwhile I found out, that if I add the following lines to > the Makefile > DATA_1_FILES = .nosearch > DATA_1_DEST = $(PACKAGE)/var > Then indeed a new subdirectory var of etc is created, with a dummy > file .nosearch. > However nor > #DATA_1_FILES = .nosearch > DATA_1_DEST = $(PACKAGE)/var > Nor > DATA_1_FILES = > DATA_1_DEST = $(PACKAGE)/var > Works in the sense that an *empty* directory is generated. I can live > with this dummy file, but I find the solution not very elegant to say > the least. Does this directory need to be created at install-time? Couldn't auctex create the directory at run-time if/when it's needed? But if you go with the "dummy file" approach, and I have no problem with that, I'd suggest `.dummy'. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE22KwACgkQHSfbS6lLMANfmQCgyds3HHj5GB3fRQF7S6Jfsq56 UFkAn1pvcW/+V2f7rR0BhhYn2tbOPJOP =Erb2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 04:27:39 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828RS1r016766; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:27:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828QgnV016648 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:26:42 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828Qg2S016647 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:26:42 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828QdjR016629 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:26:39 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828QdWl016628 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:26:39 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828QbJL016613 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:26:38 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828Qo2f011577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:26:50 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828QoN4011576; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:26:50 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: xemacs,auctex References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86vff7ec1k.fsf@gmx.net> <86r7pn7csk.fsf@gmx.net> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: the load-path problem, .nosearch X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Uwe Brauer writes: > Already in earlier versions of auctex the directory /etc/auctex/styles > contain a lot of .el files. I presumed that Xemacs would find any name > conflict when compiling the official Xemacs auctex pkg. However the > problem Rainer describes is different and worrisome. XEmacs won't find any .el files in $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/$package. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Uwe Brauer writes: > I am confused, to summarise: > I can include this directory var as > /prefix/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/var > Yes or no. Yes. But you really meant $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/var:-) > Second in this case the auctex variable (in tex-site.el) > (Defcustom TeX-auto-global "HERE COMES THE PATH" > "*Directory containing automatically generated information. Must > end with a directory separator. > For storing automatic extracted information about the TeX macros > shared by all users of a site." > :group 'TeX-file > :type 'directory) > Can be safely commented out (otherwise I don't know what to do, since > /prefix is machine/distribution dependent) How about... (defcustom TeX-auto-global (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "auto" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) "*Directory containing automatically generated information. Must end with a directory separator. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Uwe Brauer writes: > The variable=20 > (defvar TeX-lisp-directory "PATH" > "*The directory where the AUC TeX lisp files are located.") > can and must be commented out for the Xemacs pkg. This is a > directory where certain lisp files are, in the official Xemacs pkg > these files are in=20 > $prefix/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/styles From=20what I remember Per Abrahamsen telling me about these files a couple of years ago, they aren't lisp files at all, they just happen to have a .el suffix. > and > $prefix/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/ > These directories are searched by xemacs per default. ./lisp/auctex/ would definitely be in the load-path, but ./etc/auctex/ would not and should not be. Can somebody explain to me exactly what these files in "styles" and "auto" are? Do they need to be in the load-path, or do they just need to be "accessible" from within auctex. Do they need to be somewhere that is "writable" by the user? =2D-=20 |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE23qIACgkQHSfbS6lLMAMZKACgzXx9UVy0ev19D4BvnQaheTdd KlAAnAkiEKM7YLi7NFJECN9HxOITJ3di =D7SE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 04:55:32 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828tKeJ021952; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:55:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828tIvr021939 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:55:18 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828tIcE021938 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:55:18 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828tF47021908 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:55:16 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828tFkw021907 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:55:15 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828tCko021893 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 04:55:14 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i828tQVL012300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:55:26 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i828tPom012299; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:55:25 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: steve,menu,help References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87sma2iohx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Now-Playing: Hello, Goodbye --- [The Beatles] X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:55:24 +1000 In-Reply-To: <87sma2iohx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:47:54 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Stephen J Turnbull writes: >>>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> Isn't it there already? ... SY> C-h k clickety clickety click... Bingo! SY> Well, would ya look at that, there's the doc string for that SY> menu item's function. > In GNU Emacs, IIRC, help strings produce what we call "balloon help" > (and if that's not available, a message flashes in the echo area). Oh. > I think that, given that there's plenty of room for 20-40 character > menu items (especially in XEmacs where menus will cascade in the > opposite direction if there is not enough room), sufficiently > expressive menu items are preferable to balloon help. I think this is one of those rare occasions where we are in complete agreement, Steve. :-) -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE23/0ACgkQHSfbS6lLMAOjXgCguYEX6u0s99brI0ocvnrK1FeQ fK8Amwe1AJWpoZ3NgGTahtvounFlhflx =0Sxq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 05:10:11 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8299wO8024442; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:09:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8299u13024433 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:09:56 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8299u3I024432 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:09:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8299twa024415 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:09:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8299tQJ024414 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:09:55 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8299qvB024400 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:09:54 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2nbY-0003YW-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:04 +0900 To: XEmacs beta References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:04 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:02:52 +1000") Message-ID: <87ekll82ab.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: with-timeout suggestion X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> What do you think about moving itimer.el out of core and into SY> xemacs-base and then just add your new functions/macros to SY> itimer.el? Non-trivial. itimer is dumped. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 05:32:46 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829WOWE028358; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:32:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829WLWc028348 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:32:21 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829WLCJ028345 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:32:21 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829WHJt028330 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:32:17 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829WHFF028327 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:32:17 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829WG4f028318 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:32:16 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829WSDw013187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:32:29 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829WSUo013186; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:32:28 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: party,package,xemacs,xemacs-packages,ret,prefix,pkg,needs References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00gio0c.fsf_-_@gmx.net> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Now-Playing: Invisible Sun --- [The Police] X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:32:27 +1000 In-Reply-To: <86n00gio0c.fsf_-_@gmx.net> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:44:51 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: some very primitve tools for admin 3rd party pkg X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Uwe Brauer writes: > I have written some short and primitive tools for dealing with 3rd > party pkg. May somebody could improve this to something decent. Steve > I know that you have been thinking about this problem. hehe, yep. > (defvar my-prefix-pkg "/usr/share/xemacs21" > "*Prefix of the global 3rd party directory") This needs to be either $prefix/lib/xemacs/site-packages/ or $HOME/.xemacs/site-packages/ But probably it needs to be both. > (defun my-delete-3rd-pkg () > "A small hack for deleting 3rd party pkg, which are placed either in > ~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages or in prefix/xemacs-packages." > (interactive) > (shell-command (concat "rm -rf `cat pkginfo/MANIFEST." > (read-string "Name of pkg: (Must be in > ~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages or in > prefix/xemacs-packages.): ") "`"))) Where's `my-install-3rd-pkg'? :-) > (defun my-list-3rd-pkg () Needs to come up in `pui-list-packages' Uwe, I see what you are trying to get to and I think what you have is great. However, what I am looking for is seamless integration into the current PUI tools. Now, just to throw some ideas into the air (these are coming to me now as I write this so they'll probably be full of holes)... A 3rd party package developer puts 2 files on his FTP server... foo-1.99-3rdppkg.tar.gz foo-info The first one is obvious. The 2nd is like our package-index.LATEST file except it only has the details for the foo package. On his website, under installation instructions it says... M-x pui-install-3rd-party-pkg RET /ftp.foo.org:/pub/pkg/foo-info RET The user does that, and churn churn churn, his foo package is updated to 1.99. Behind the scenes XEmacs would keep 2 package index db's. The normal From=20package-index.LATEST, and a new one for the 3rd party packages. The only difference between the 2 is that the 3rd party one is pieced together one package at a time over a period of time. Oh, there's one other difference, the 3rd party index file would also contain a URL for each package. This is so... 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Either... 1) Ensure that configure puts everything in the right place for XEmacs or... 2) Don't use autoconf on a lisp package, just defcustom all of your paths using sane defaults. Whichever, you'll need a good understanding of XEmacs paths. Yes, I'll help you with this. I looked at auctex 11.53 today. My biggest problem is that I don't understand what all the different directories that it wants are for. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE26qcACgkQHSfbS6lLMANkjQCfYbYWUFuzsskLrOtS29C9Tcuy kjkAoJTM1FvlUC2P4p0JMnmllJ3ulQrS =viS8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 05:50:44 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829oV3K031604; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:50:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829oS0F031594 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:50:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829oSig031593 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:50:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829oPpR031580 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:50:25 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829oO13031579 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:50:24 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829oMnL031564 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:50:23 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2oEm-0003cj-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:50:36 +0900 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:50:36 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Ralf Angeli's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:09:22 +0200") Message-ID: <87acw980er.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: Ralf> Hm, I doubt that a box would be useful for content with a Ralf> shape like Ralf> ...........xxxxxxxxxxxx Ralf> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx........ Ralf> where I want to collapse/expand the "x" content only and Ralf> leave the dotted stuff alone. You're quite right, a layout is not going to work as you want in XEmacs. To get that effect, what you'd need to do is to have an extent with a string property (or two) and exchange the contents of the string with the buffer region. (defun foobaroobar-create (text here there) "Return an extent with swappable display text." (let ((extent (make-extent here there))) (set-extent-property extent 'swappable-text text) extent)) (defun foobaroobar-toggle (extent) "Swap the displayed text with the string in the swappable-text property." (let ((text (buffer-substring (extent-start-position extent) (extent-end-position extent)))) (save-excursion (goto-char (extent-start-position extent)) ;; it's not 100% obvious that order matters, but zero-length ;; extents can be annoying, so let's avoid that (insert (extent-property extent 'swappable-text)) (delete-region (point) (extent-end-position extent)) (set-extent-property extent 'swappable-text text))) Works fine for a single extent for me. You have to be careful that the extent is "start-closed," of course. Something like this is probably the mechanism that is used in the startup splash screen (which rotates among displays), but you might also want to investigate that in case it's better for your purpose. I suspect this would give different semantics (eg, character count in motion) than GNU Emacs's display property, though. Don't know how much that matters, and you could fiddle with the extent's keymap to (1) allow a UI where you enter the extent and the user toggles display with a keystroke or a mouse click, and (2) make moving out of the extent a single keystroke operation. I _think_ that for a case where the extent is (say) three characters long in the folded form and longer in the expanded form, C-u -> does the right thing (ie, moves across without unfolding) while -> -> -> -> would leave you inside the expanded form. I'm not sure how much that matters. >> (a search dialog). Ralf> Does this work for you? I have a compiled CVS XEmacs here Ralf> (about two weeks old) which I started out of its build Ralf> directory (so it is not installed properly yet). If I click Ralf> on "Edit --> Find..." nothing happens. Sure. Always has (except that there's a problem with the focus so that you have to click on one of the active elements, _not_ the text area, to get focus to move into the text area---bizarre but I've never gotten around to digging into it). Ralf> and this doesn't do anything either. Did I miss something? Works for me. I bet you didn't configure --with-widgets. I'll have to look and see why t From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 05:57:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829vepF000581; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:57:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829vcXQ000572 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:57:38 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829vcut000571 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:57:38 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829vaJJ000554 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:57:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i829vapu000553 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:57:36 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i829vZuL000547 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 05:57:36 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2oLc-0003dY-00; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:57:40 +0900 To: Erwan David References: <20040902072650.6D30969E38@brehat.trusted-logic.fr> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:57:40 +0900 In-Reply-To: <20040902072650.6D30969E38@brehat.trusted-logic.fr> (Erwan David's message of "Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:50 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87656x802z.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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This is the XFree86 "we're too dumb to follow standards by using the proper keysyms" bug. According to Markus Kuhn, this Latin-1 keystroke should be presented as a standard Latin-1 keysym, not as a computed Unicode keysym. Not real high on my priority list until I find (or somebody points me to) the documentation for this feature, so that it can be implemented in a way that doesn't screw us up when they get around to doing it in conformance with standards. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: doc for 3rd pkg X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Steve Youngs writes: * Uwe Brauer writes: >> One of the problems I encounter is of course the configure >> system. > Either... > 1) Ensure that configure puts everything in the right place for > XEmacs > or... > 2) Don't use autoconf on a lisp package, just defcustom all of your > paths using sane defaults. > Whichever, you'll need a good understanding of XEmacs paths. I'd like to add something here. IMO, it is a *very bad* idea to have autoconf configure scripts make changes to lisp files. It might work OK in the GNU/Emacs world, but definitely not in the XEmacs packages world. One possible way around this would be if Uwe were to run the configure script on the auctex sources _before_ committing anything to XEmacs CVS. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: help needed to sync auctex pkg with the new 11.52 release X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Steve Youngs (2004-09-02) writes: > * Uwe Brauer writes: > > > The variable > > > (defvar TeX-lisp-directory "PATH" > > "*The directory where the AUC TeX lisp files are located.") > > > can and must be commented out for the Xemacs pkg. This is a > > directory where certain lisp files are, in the official Xemacs pkg > > these files are in > > $prefix/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/styles It's not the styles/ subdirectory. It is really the main directory where all AUCTeX lisp files are located. A common installation has the file tex-site.el stored somewhere in load-path. tex-site.el then adds the value of `TeX-lisp-directory' to load-path so that the rest of AUCTeX can be found. The styles/ folder usually is a subdirectory of the main auctex/ folder. It holds a .nosearch file so that it doesn't become part of load-path. As an example, my installation looks like /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/tex-site.el /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/tex.el /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/latex.el [...] /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/style/.nosearch /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/style/article.el /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/style/graphicx.el [...] > From what I remember Per Abrahamsen telling me about these files a > couple of years ago, they aren't lisp files at all, they just happen > to have a .el suffix. > > > and > > $prefix/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/ > > > These directories are searched by xemacs per default. > > ./lisp/auctex/ would definitely be in the load-path, but ./etc/auctex/ > would not and should not be. > > Can somebody explain to me exactly what these files in "styles" and > "auto" are? The files in styles/, or better `TeX-style-global', contain information about editing features which should be activated if a certain LaTeX document class or package is used in the LaTeX source files. They make LaTeX macros and environments available for completion and may contain helper functions to handle special features of these LaTeX constructs when they are inserted. As an example, let's look at graphicx.el. When you use "\usepackage{graphicx}" in your LaTeX document it will be loaded and will thereby make the macro "\includegraphics" available for completion and attaches the function `LaTeX-arg-includegraphics' to it. This function is defined in graphicx.el as well. Now when you insert the macro via `C-c C-m' this function will be called and will prompt you for certain optional arguments which can be specified with "\includegraphics". The files in auto/, or better `TeX-auto-global', are similar in that they contain information about LaTeX macros and environments (I am not sure about the latter). But the information is autogenerated with the help of the function `TeX-auto-generate-global' which will parse LaTeX style and class files and automatically extract information about macros. That means the files in `TeX-auto-global' only contain calls to `TeX-add-symbols' or the like and no new functions. > Do they need to be in the load-path, or do they just need > to be "accessible" from within auctex. The latter. And the directory where they are stored should not show up on load-path. > Do they need to be somewhere > that is "writable" by the user? The directories specified by the *-global variables do not have to be writable by the user. They contain information "... shared by all users of a site" (from the doc strings). 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Turnbull disait > >>>>> "Erwan" == Erwan David writes: > > Erwan> U00E2 not defined. > > This is the XFree86 "we're too dumb to follow standards by using the > proper keysyms" bug. According to Markus Kuhn, this Latin-1 keystroke > should be presented as a standard Latin-1 keysym, not as a computed > Unicode keysym. > > Not real high on my priority list until I find (or somebody points me > to) the documentation for this feature, so that it can be implemented > in a way that doesn't screw us up when they get around to doing it in > conformance with standards. Thanks for the answer. Do you no if Xorg is better than XFree in that respect ? -- Erwan David ========================================================== Trusted Logic Tel: +33 1 30 97 25 03 5 rue du Bailliage Std: +33 1 30 97 25 00 78000 Versailles Fax: +33 1 30 97 25 19 France From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 09:05:19 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82D54Du001813; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:05:04 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82D528F001801 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:05:02 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82D52VA001800 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:05:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82D4wOn001767 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:04:59 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82D4wnt001766 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:04:58 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82D4wGM001759 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:04:58 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2rH5-0006i8-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:05:11 +0200 Received: from lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.10.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:05:11 +0200 Received: from Reiner.Steib by lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:05:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:05:04 +0200 Organization: Dept. of Theoretical Physics, University of Ulm Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <878ybztzpb.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86llfzh9ia.fsf@gmx.net> <87pt5bpgzb.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86k6vhipky.fsf@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de X-Face: P05mdcZT&lL[-s2=mw~RsllZ0zZAb?vdE}.s List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Thu, Sep 02 2004, Steve Youngs wrote: > Can somebody explain to me exactly what these files in "styles" and > "auto" are? The files style/*.el contain support for TeX styles (IIRC, "style" stems from \documentstyle in LaTeX 2.09; nowadays there is \documentclass and \usepackage). If you use \documentclass{report} or \usepackage{graphicx}, AUCTeX loads `style/report.el' and `style/graphicx.el' in order to support the features of this class or package. If there is no dedicated *.el file available for foo.cls, AUCTeX can use an auto-generated file `auto/foo.el'. Typically the person installing AUCTeX should generate those files for all TeX style files using `M-x TeX-auto-generate-global RET'. > Do they need to be in the load-path, No. The should _not_ be in `load-path'. See also or . > or do they just need to be "accessible" from within auctex. Yes. > Do they need to be somewhere that is "writable" by the user? [ I thought I already answered that in , but this article apparently didn't make it to the list; at least it's not on Gmane. ] No, only for the admin. `TeX-auto-global' is for the _site_ style files. E.g. if you have foo.sty in the TeX installation of your site (i.e. in `TeX-macro-global'), `M-x TeX-auto-generate-global' will write foo.el[c] to `TeX-auto-global'. ,----[ (info "(auctex)Automatic Global") ] | -- User Option: TeX-macro-global | Directories containing the site's TeX style files. | [...] | -- User Option: TeX-auto-global | Directory containing automatically generated information. | | For storing automatic extracted information about the TeX macros | shared by all users of a site. `---- ,----[ (info "(auctex)Customizing") ] | -- User Option: TeX-macro-global | Directories containing the site's TeX style files. | | Normally, AUCTeX will only allow you to complete macros and | environments which are built-in, specified in AUCTeX style files or | defined by yourself. If you issue the `M-x TeX-auto-generate-global' | command after loading AUCTeX, you will be able to complete on all | macros available in the standard style files used by your document. To | do this, you must set this variable to a list of directories where the | standard style files are located. The directories will be searched | recursively, so there is no reason to list subdirectories explicitly. | Automatic configuration will already have set the variable for you if | it could use the program `kpsewhich'. In this case you normally don't | have to alter anything. `---- Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 09:30:03 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DTlYZ005922; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:29:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DNAS3004714 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:10 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82DNASP004711 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DN59x004689 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:05 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82DN5h8004687 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:05 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DMxUa004661 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:04 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DN5tl018225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:23:06 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82DN5MC018224; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:23:05 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: xemacs,pre-release,mirrors References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16691.12870.518727.835303@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87wtzeiozn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: David Kastrup Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * David Kastrup writes: > You need to organize prerelease stuff on different servers and so > on. `package-get-pre-release-download-sites' has 39 entries, `package-get-download-sites' has 41 entries. That means all but 2 of the XEmacs mirrors world-wide carry the pre-release packages. When I first introduced the concept of "Pre-Release" packages it was only on our main site, ftp.xemacs.org. Then one day I noticed one of our mirrors had a pre-release directory, I then checked the rest of the mirrors and quickly updated the XEmacs PUI menus accordingly. Package maintainers don't take anywhere near as much advantage of the Pre-Releases as they could (or as much as I had hoped they would). That's probably my fault for not yelling loudly enough about it. David, I have no idea what sort of release cycle you run to, but maybe something like this could help... You start gearing up for a release, so you say to Uwe "hey buddy, we wanna push 11.55 out the door in a fortnight. Can you please update the XEmacs repo and bring it inline with 11.55pre29 and get the XEmacs guys to roll out a pre-release package. Then jump on the mailing lists and newsgroups and beg for feedback, we're particularly interested in hearing how `TeX-cool-new-fun' goes under XEmacs." And there's nothing stopping you from repeating that process a number of times during that fortnight if bugs get fixed in the meantime. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE3HrkACgkQHSfbS6lLMAMr2wCfW4rsGBxRftEOgkwUEIucH1+O ecMAniOU/jxPmyXXPf5LfvgsrY2ATWr0 =sQ1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 09:48:06 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DlsHf009617; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82DlorW009596 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:50 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82Dlodo009594 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82Dlkqe009564 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:46 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82DljXc009563 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82Dlj7N009557 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:45 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C2rwU-0001IO-8O for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:47:58 -0400 To: XEmacs beta References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16691.12870.518727.835303@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87wtzeiozn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: David Kastrup Date: 02 Sep 2004 16:47:55 +0300 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of dak@gnu.org designates 199.232.76.164 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Steve Youngs writes: > David, I have no idea what sort of release cycle you run to, but > maybe something like this could help... > > You start gearing up for a release, so you say to Uwe "hey buddy, we > wanna push 11.55 out the door in a fortnight. Sorry, but there is no such slow release scheme as that. > Can you please update the XEmacs repo and bring it inline with > 11.55pre29 and get the XEmacs guys to roll out a pre-release > package. Then jump on the mailing lists and newsgroups and beg for > feedback, we're particularly interested in hearing how > `TeX-cool-new-fun' goes under XEmacs." It is not my impression that Uwe has resources to work on command. And the feedback from XEmacs users also of released packages is not particularly encouraging that anything could be detected by that that will not get detected in the regular process of release (in the past, few stuff has been reported by anybody but Uwe, anyway). And we do test stuff cursory: if problems occur with XEmacs, they are usually completely unexpected, so there is no `TeX-cool-new-fun' one could be pointing to. If there was, we'd be checking it ourselves, anyway. Even cursory examination is more reliable than waiting for feedback from XEmacs users. At least that's the past experience. > And there's nothing stopping you from repeating that process a > number of times during that fortnight if bugs get fixed in the > meantime. It's completely up to Uwe or other XEmacs users willing to concern themselves with it. He is subscribed to the AUCTeX list, and thus has about as good or bad a clue about possible releases than anybody else. If he is able and willing to do the work and if he considers it useful and/or worthwhile and/or doable, he can do so. It really is not my call to make. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 10:12:24 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82EBxpT013937; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:12:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82EBvYc013925 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:57 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82EBvNe013924 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82EBjGZ013904 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:45 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82EBjfB013903 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:45 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82EBhi5013895 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:44 -0400 Received: from youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82EBlSH019301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:11:47 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82EBkCC019300; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:11:46 +1000 Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431361 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Now-Playing: Driving Me Mad --- [Neil Finn] X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 26th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta , David Kastrup , Uwe Brauer User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 00:11:43 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: Uwe Brauer , David Kastrup Subject: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= OK, I'm pretty sure I can make auctex do the right thing in regards to creating an XEmacs package out of it. And in such a way that it won't compromise how things work now for GNU/Emacs users or XEmacs users who prefer to build and install from the upstream sources. But it is getting late here, I've had a rather long day and I'm dead tired. 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Yours Sincerely, John Smith, Lottery Coordinator. ___________________________________________________________________________ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 17:43:33 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82Lgdei006939; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82LgbUg006930 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82LgbnM006924 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82LgRQi006889 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:27 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82LgRvg006888 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:27 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82LgQAi006879 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:26 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C2zLr-0002Zp-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:42:39 +0200 Received: from du-005-232.access.de.clara.net ([212.82.228.232]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:42:39 +0200 Received: from angeli by du-005-232.access.de.clara.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:42:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Ralf Angeli Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:43:48 +0200 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87acw980er.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: du-005-232.access.de.clara.net Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NT6rvlRSAO/GaATKDGH3XNPJs/E= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Stephen J. Turnbull (2004-09-02) writes: > You're quite right, a layout is not going to work as you want in > XEmacs. To get that effect, what you'd need to do is to have an > extent with a string property (or two) and exchange the contents of > the string with the buffer region. [code] > Works fine for a single extent for me. You have to be careful that > the extent is "start-closed," of course. Something like this is > probably the mechanism that is used in the startup splash screen > (which rotates among displays), but you might also want to investigate > that in case it's better for your purpose. This is an interesting idea. I could make your code work within tex-fold.el. Unfortunately it modifies the buffer. That means the approach modifies the undo list, interferes with save and auto save, and doesn't work in read-only buffers. AFAICS I cannot work around all of them and there are maybe other problems I haven't thought of yet. Nevertheless thank you for your suggestion. (I'll check if the splash screen handles this differently.) > >> (a search dialog). > > Ralf> Does this work for you? I have a compiled CVS XEmacs here > Ralf> (about two weeks old) which I started out of its build > Ralf> directory (so it is not installed properly yet). If I click > Ralf> on "Edit --> Find..." nothing happens. > > Sure. Always has (except that there's a problem with the focus so > that you have to click on one of the active elements, _not_ the text > area, to get focus to move into the text area---bizarre but I've never > gotten around to digging into it). > > Ralf> and this doesn't do anything either. Did I miss something? > > Works for me. I bet you didn't configure --with-widgets. Argh, yes, that was the problem. (c: -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 19:03:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82N3Rd4021806; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:03:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82N3Qnq021798 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:03:26 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82N3PkE021797 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:03:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82N3Kuu021769 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:03:20 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82N3KT5021768 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:03:20 -0400 Received: from jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu (jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu [128.135.53.49]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82N3JRB021746 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:03:19 -0400 Received: (from keith@localhost) by jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id i82N3SV24097; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:03:28 -0500 (CDT) To: crashes@xemacs.org From: Keith Waclena Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 151 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Can't find a PROBLEMS file to check. This is xemacs on NetBSD-1.6.2, installed from pkgsrc/xemacs-current/. Can't seem to get a core dump. I can print /etc/motd, but it crashes on /usr/pkg/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/etc/sample.init.el. --=-=-= Content-Disposition: inline uname -a: NetBSD test-keith.lib.uchicago.edu 1.6.2_STABLE NetBSD 1.6.2_STABLE (JFCL) #1: Thu Jul 29 18:06:18 CDT 2004 root@test-keith:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/JFCL i386 ./configure '--with-sound=none' 'i386--netbsdelf' '--prefix=/usr/pkg' '--with-clash-detection' '--error-checking=none' '--with-mule=yes' '--without-ncurses' '--without-msw' '--with-widgets=lucid' '--without-ldap' '--without-xface' '--without-canna' '--infopath=/usr/pkg/info:/usr/X11R6/info:/usr/local/info' '--site-includes=/usr/pkg/include:/usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work' '--site-libraries=/usr/pkg/lib' XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) configured for `i386--netbsdelf'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work/xemacs-21.5.17 Installation prefix: /usr/pkg Additional header files: /usr/pkg/include /usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work Additional libraries: /usr/pkg/lib Runtime library search path: /usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work/.buildlink/lib:/usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work/.x11-buildlink/lib:/usr/pkg/lib:/usr/X11R6/lib Operating system description file: `s/netbsd.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler version: 2.95.3 - GCC specs file: specs. - Compiler command: gcc -O2 -Dunix -I/usr/pkg/include -I/usr/include libc version: Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. TTY: Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Mail: Compiling in support for "flock" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $ xemacs Fatal error (13). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. Your version of XEmacs was distributed with a PROBLEMS file that may descri= be your crash, and with luck a workaround. Please check it first, but do repo= rt the crash anyway. Please report this bug by invoking M-x report-emacs-bug, or by selecting `Send Bug Report' from the Help menu. If that won't work, send ordinary email to `crashes@xemacs.org'. *MAKE SURE* to include this entire output from this crash, especially including the Lisp backtrace, as well as the XEmacs configuration from M-x describe-installation (or equivalently, the file `Installation' in the top of the build tree). *Please* try *hard* to obtain a C stack backtrace; without it, we are unlik= ely to be able to analyze the problem. Locate the core file produced as a resu= lt of this crash (often called `core' or `core.', and located in the directory in which you started XEmacs or your home directory), and type gdb /usr/pkg/bin/xemacs core then type `where' at the debugger prompt. No GDB on your system? You may have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. (Ask your system administrator if you need help.) If no core file was produced, enable them (often with `ulimit -c unlimited') in case of future recurrance of the crash. Lisp backtrace follows: # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) process-send-region(# 1 59= 823 #) byte-code("..." [display eof-sent end start inbuf proc process-send-regio= n process-send-eof t accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-fo= r 0] 5) # (condition-case ... . ((quit (byte-code "=C3=C4\n\"=A8 =AC=A4=C5\n!=A8= =C6\n!=A8=C7\n!=ABu=C8=C9!=A8=AAo" [display eof-sent proc process-send-sign= al SIGINT process-send-eof accept-process-output process-synchronize-point = sit-for 0] 3)))) # bind (eof-sent) byte-code("..." [eof-sent inbuf stderr no-wait errbuf proc set-process-se= ntinel lambda (proc status) (set-process-sentinel proc nil) (process-synchr= onize-point proc) with-current-buffer write-region-internal 1 (1+ (buffer-s= ize)) (nil (quote major-rms-kludge-city) nil coding-system-for-write) kill-= buffer # nil (byte-code= " =AB=A7=C6 \n !=ABu=CB=CC!=A8=AAo" [display eof-sent end start inbuf proc process-send-re= gion process-send-eof t accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit= -for 0] 5) ((quit (byte-code "=C3=C4\n\"=A8 =AC=A4=C5\n!=A8=C6\n!=A8= =C7\n!=ABu=C8=C9!=A8=AAo" [display eof-sent proc process-send-signal SIGINT= process-send-eof accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-for 0= ] 3))) process-send-region process-send-eof start end] 14) # (catch call-process-done ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (stderr) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (proc inbuf errbuf kill-inbuf kill-errbuf no-wait start end args d= isplay buffer infile program) call-process-internal("lpr" (# 1 59823) nil nil = "-J" "sample.init.el Emacs buffer" "-h") apply(call-process-internal "lpr" (# 1 59823) ni= l nil ("-J" "sample.init.el Emacs buffer" "-h")) # bind (coding-system-for-read coding-system-for-write cs-r cs-w args dis= playp buffer infile program) call-process("lpr" (# 1 59823) nil nil "-J" "sam= ple.init.el Emacs buffer" "-h") apply(call-process "lpr" (# 1 59823) nil nil ("-= J" "sample.init.el Emacs buffer" "-h")) # bind (s e args displayp buffer deletep program end start) call-process-region(1 59823 "lpr" nil nil nil "-J" "sample.init.el Emacs = buffer" "-h") apply(call-process-region (1 59823 "lpr" nil nil nil "-J" "sample.init.el= Emacs buffer" "-h")) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (name title coding-system-for-write coding-system-for-read width n= switches switch-string page-headers switches end start) print-region-1(1 59823 ("-h") nil) # bind (end start) lpr-region(1 59823) # bind (props print-device buffer end start) generic-print-region(1 59823 nil) # bind (end start print-region) byte-code("..." [props d end start print-region buffer region-active-p re= gion-beginning point-min region-end point-max valid-specifier-tag-p msprint= er generic-print-region Printer-get-device make-dialog-box print :device :a= llow-selection:selected-page-button selection all plist-get selected-page-= button really-print-region display-print-dialog] 9) # (condition-case ... . ((error (byte-code "=C1 =A8A\"=A7" [err Printer-c= lear-device signal] 3)))) # bind (display-print-dialog buffer) ! #; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:54:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82NsSpP017560 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:54:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82NsN7F017541 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:54:23 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82NsMIk017540 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:54:22 -0400 Received: from jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu (jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu [128.135.53.49]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82NsLoG017528 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:54:21 -0400 Received: (from keith@localhost) by jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id i82NsY617100; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:54:34 -0500 (CDT) To: crashes@xemacs.org From: Keith Waclena Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:54:34 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 150 User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of keith@jfcl.lib.uchicago.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: crashes X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: Subject: Correction to previous crash report X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= Re my crash report of a few minutes ago. It's not printing per se that causes the crash. It seems to be that it's invoking an external process that doesn't exist, or possibly one that returns a non-zero exit code. If I set the region (whole buffer) and invoke: M-| dhjgdjhgdj RET xemacs crashes. But only in certain circumstances. If I load etc/sample.init.el, and invoke a bogus command, it crashes. If I turn off font-lock-mode, it does NOT crash. This is repeatable with etc/sample.init.el, but I can't get it to crash elsewhere. Thanks! --=-=-= Content-Disposition: inline uname -a: NetBSD test-keith.lib.uchicago.edu 1.6.2_STABLE NetBSD 1.6.2_STABLE (JFCL) #1: Thu Jul 29 18:06:18 CDT 2004 root@test-keith:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/JFCL i386 ./configure '--with-sound=none' 'i386--netbsdelf' '--prefix=/usr/pkg' '--with-clash-detection' '--error-checking=none' '--with-mule=yes' '--without-ncurses' '--without-msw' '--with-widgets=lucid' '--without-ldap' '--without-xface' '--without-canna' '--infopath=/usr/pkg/info:/usr/X11R6/info:/usr/local/info' '--site-includes=/usr/pkg/include:/usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work' '--site-libraries=/usr/pkg/lib' XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) configured for `i386--netbsdelf'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work/xemacs-21.5.17 Installation prefix: /usr/pkg Additional header files: /usr/pkg/include /usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work Additional libraries: /usr/pkg/lib Runtime library search path: /usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work/.buildlink/lib:/usr/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-current/work/.x11-buildlink/lib:/usr/pkg/lib:/usr/X11R6/lib Operating system description file: `s/netbsd.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler version: 2.95.3 - GCC specs file: specs. - Compiler command: gcc -O2 -Dunix -I/usr/pkg/include -I/usr/include libc version: Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. TTY: Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Mail: Compiling in support for "flock" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $ xemacs Fatal error (13). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. Your version of XEmacs was distributed with a PROBLEMS file that may descri= be your crash, and with luck a workaround. Please check it first, but do repo= rt the crash anyway. Please report this bug by invoking M-x report-emacs-bug, or by selecting `Send Bug Report' from the Help menu. If that won't work, send ordinary email to `crashes@xemacs.org'. *MAKE SURE* to include this entire output from this crash, especially including the Lisp backtrace, as well as the XEmacs configuration from M-x describe-installation (or equivalently, the file `Installation' in the top of the build tree). *Please* try *hard* to obtain a C stack backtrace; without it, we are unlik= ely to be able to analyze the problem. Locate the core file produced as a resu= lt of this crash (often called `core' or `core.', and located in the directory in which you started XEmacs or your home directory), and type gdb /usr/pkg/bin/xemacs core then type `where' at the debugger prompt. No GDB on your system? You may have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. (Ask your system administrator if you need help.) If no core file was produced, enable them (often with `ulimit -c unlimited') in case of future recurrance of the crash. Lisp backtrace follows: # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) process-send-region(# 1 59= 823 #) byte-code("..." [display eof-sent end start inbuf proc process-send-regio= n process-send-eof t accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-fo= r 0] 5) # (condition-case ... . ((quit (byte-code "=C3=C4\n\"=A8 =AC=A4=C5\n!=A8= =C6\n!=A8=C7\n!=ABu=C8=C9!=A8=AAo" [display eof-sent proc process-send-sign= al SIGINT process-send-eof accept-process-output process-synchronize-point = sit-for 0] 3)))) # bind (eof-sent) byte-code("..." [eof-sent inbuf stderr no-wait errbuf proc set-process-se= ntinel lambda (proc status) (set-process-sentinel proc nil) (process-synchr= onize-point proc) with-current-buffer write-region-internal 1 (1+ (buffer-s= ize)) (nil (quote major-rms-kludge-city) nil coding-system-for-write) kill-= buffer # nil (byte-code= " =AB=A7=C6 \n !=ABu=CB=CC!=A8=AAo" [display eof-sent end start inbuf proc process-send-re= gion process-send-eof t accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit= -for 0] 5) ((quit (byte-code "=C3=C4\n\"=A8 =AC=A4=C5\n!=A8=C6\n!=A8= =C7\n!=ABu=C8=C9!=A8=AAo" [display eof-sent proc process-send-signal SIGINT= process-send-eof accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-for 0= ] 3))) process-send-region process-send-eof start end] 14) # (catch call-process-done ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (stderr) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (proc inbuf errbuf kill-inbuf kill-errbuf no-wait start end args d= isplay buffer infile program) call-process-internal("/bin/sh" (# 1 59823) # nil "-c" "skjhskjhs") apply(call-process-internal "/bin/sh" (# 1 59823= ) # nil ("-c" "skjhskjhs")) # bind (coding-system-for-read coding-system-for-write cs-r cs-w args dis= playp buffer infile program) call-process("/bin/sh" (# 1 59823) # nil "-c" "skjhskjhs") apply(call-process "/bin/sh" (# 1 59823) # nil ("-c" "skjhskjhs")) # bind (s e args displayp buffer deletep program end start) call-process-region(1 59823 "/bin/sh" nil # nil "-c" "skjhskjhs") # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (buffer success exit-status directory replace output-buffer comman= d end start) #(1 59823 "skjhskjhs" nil nil) call-interactively(shell-command-on-region) # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 19:58:53 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82NwqNA018517; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:58:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82Nwowr018504 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:58:50 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82NwoAB018503 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:58:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82NwkSO018483 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:58:46 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i82Nwk9E018481 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:58:46 -0400 Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i82Nwh35018469 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:58:44 -0400 Received: from enccos4.cos.agilent.com (enccos4.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.93]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 155F78155 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (130.29.152.239) by enccos4.cos.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 33333724; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:59:30 -0600 Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B3179E for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com ([141.121.54.157]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:58:56 -0600 Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id QAA18020 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200409022358.QAA18020@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.8) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Thu_Sep__2_16:58:54_2004-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:58:54 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of darrylo@soco.agilent.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: CRASH: buglet in 21.4.15 when MEMORY_USAGE_STATS is defined X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darryl Okahata List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --Multipart_Thu_Sep__2_16:58:54_2004-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII [ Note: not sent to xemacs-patches, because I'm not sure of this patch, and so I'd like some comments on it. ] If "--memory-usage-stats" is passed to configure, XEmacs 21.4.15 can crash when ``window-memory-usage'' is called. This is because window-memory-usage attempts to calculate the memory usage from scrollbars, and not all devices have scrollbars (like terminal devices). See attached patch for a proposed fix. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. --Multipart_Thu_Sep__2_16:58:54_2004-1 Content-Type: text/plain; type=patch; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="scrollbar.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- xemacs-21.4.15.orig/src/scrollbar.c 2001-04-12 11:24:17.000000000 -07= 00 +++ xemacs-21.4.15/src/scrollbar.c 2004-09-02 16:36:53.000000000 -0700 @@ -240,7 +240,8 @@ { int total =3D 0; = - total +=3D DEVMETH (d, compute_scrollbar_instance_usage, (d, inst, ovs= tats)); + if (HAS_DEVMETH_P(d, compute_scrollbar_instance_usage) && inst) + total +=3D DEVMETH (d, compute_scrollbar_instance_usage, (d, inst, o= vstats)); = while (inst) { --Multipart_Thu_Sep__2_16:58:54_2004-1-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 21:06:24 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8316D9L006769; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8316CFa006757 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:06:12 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8316CAX006756 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:06:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83169DX006738 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:06:09 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83169A7006737 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:06:09 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83167fn006716 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:06:08 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C32Wv-0007qT-00 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:06:17 +0900 To: XEmacs beta References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00gio0c.fsf_-_@gmx.net> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:06:17 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:32:27 +1000") Message-ID: <87vfew6u0m.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: some very primitve tools for admin 3rd party pkg X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> Now, just to throw some ideas into the air (these are coming SY> to me now as I write this so they'll probably be full of SY> holes)... SY> A 3rd party package developer puts 2 files on his FTP server... SY> foo-1.99-3rdppkg.tar.gz s/3rd// SY> foo-info s/foo-info/package-index$SOMETHING/ Am I missing something? Of course we have to fix the bug that PUI only knows about one package-index at a time (AFAIK, at least there's only one on disk). I suspect that SOMETHING = .LATEST on the server and SOMETHING = fss-encode(http://www.3rd-party.org/Tools/XEmacs/Packages/) in PUI wins. (fss = "file system safe") SY> On his website, under installation instructions it says... Use Tools->Packages->Add Download Site to add http://www.3rd-party.org/Tools/XEmacs/Packages/ as a download site. SY> Behind the scenes XEmacs would keep 2 package index db's. The SY> normal From package-index.LATEST, and a new one for the 3rd SY> party packages. The only difference between the 2 is that the SY> 3rd party one is pieced together one package at a time over a SY> period of time. Why do you need two? package-index is merely a concatenation of package-info files. The only thing I can see that might be useful would be to update the packaging standard to add (1) a canonical URL for each package and (2) a preferred mirror URL. The preferred mirror might take certain special values (canonical, pre-release, first-available, fastest) or a specific URL. Note that the canonical URL is the home site only if that site provides a package (like VM). Maybe a little more state information, like the date that this entry was last updated, etc. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 21:19:30 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831JPNa009334; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831JNa1009326 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:23 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831JNIU009325 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:23 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831JI2T009302 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:18 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831JIRW009301 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:18 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831JHIZ009284 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:19:17 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C32jj-0007rf-00 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:19:31 +0900 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87acw980er.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:19:30 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Ralf Angeli's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:43:48 +0200") Message-ID: <87r7pk6tel.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: Ralf> This is an interesting idea. I could make your code work Ralf> within tex-fold.el. Unfortunately it modifies the buffer. Yes. That is the interface I would half-prefer (ie, as you described it, the buffer contains the folded forms, while I would like to always be able to edit the expanded forms). Ralf> That means the approach modifies the undo list, This seems impossible to work around, so you'll have to give me a couple of days. ;-) Ralf> interferes with save and auto save, These are hard but have an obvious workaround. You would use a hook to expand all such extents before saving, but that can be fragile. Ralf> and doesn't work in read-only buffers. That's not a problem, as the function can temporarily unset the read-only flag. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 21:22:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831ME5m010058; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:22:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831MDk4010042 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:22:13 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831MDWq010041 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:22:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831MB8d010025 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:22:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831MBnl010024 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:22:11 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831MAm6010014 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:22:11 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C32mT-0007s7-00; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:22:21 +0900 To: Erwan David References: <20040902072650.6D30969E38@brehat.trusted-logic.fr> <87656x802z.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20040902125929.GC4716@brehat.trusted-logic.fr> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:22:21 +0900 In-Reply-To: <20040902125929.GC4716@brehat.trusted-logic.fr> (Erwan David's message of "Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:59:29 +0200") Message-ID: <87n0086t9u.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.14] dead key no more recognized when using UTF-8 locale X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Erwan" == Erwan David writes: Erwan> Thanks for the answer. Do you no if Xorg is better than Erwan> XFree in that respect ? I don't _know_, but I believe that it is, because Markus Kuhn is responsible for adding it to X.org's sources. :-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 21:26:34 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831QWcq010962; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:26:33 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831QUAg010950 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:26:30 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831QUt5010949 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:26:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831QRcT010932 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:26:27 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831QRZl010931 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:26:27 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831QQ40010921 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:26:26 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C32qa-0007tK-00; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:26:36 +0900 To: David Kastrup References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:26:36 +0900 In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "02 Sep 2004 17:23:32 +0300") Message-ID: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: Uwe Brauer , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> That's good. We'll probably be encountering a new problem David> in a month or so, when we integrate preview-latex. In that David> case, we will have to deal with installing LaTeX files as David> well. Yuch. But that's not a concern right now. Nor should it be hard. If you're willing to add an --enable-xemacs or a --with-xemacs-packaging flag, then when that is set those files just go into an appropriate subdirectory of $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/, I think. I assume the LaTeX files are collected by themselves in one place, no? Then we can just copy that directory en masse into the "right" place. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 2 21:36:49 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831alDb012802; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831ajtB012786 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:45 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831ajjl012785 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:45 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831ah2q012766 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:43 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i831ah14012765 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:43 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i831agrH012757 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:36:42 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C330V-0007vT-00; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:36:51 +0900 To: Keith Waclena References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:36:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Keith Waclena's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:54:34 -0500") Message-ID: <87eklk6slo.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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It's not printing Keith> per se that causes the crash. It seems to be that it's Keith> invoking an external process that doesn't exist, or Keith> possibly one that returns a non-zero exit code. AFAIK, we don't have any active developers whose primary platform is NetBSD. Sooo ... without an unstripped backtrace, preferably in a configure --debug build, it's probably going to be a long time before this gets fixed, as I can't reproduce on Linux or Mac OS X. Please reconfigure to compile with -g and preferably give the --debug switch to configure. If it's a stack-smashing thing, you may get a more usable backtrace by running under gdb rather than using the core file. (gdb is happy to have its output redirected, so "gdb /path/to/xemacs | tee backtrace.out" is a good way to do it.) The PROBLEMS file is in the top directory of the sources. I'm not sure why it doesn't get installed in $datadir (usually /usr/local/lib/xemacs-$version/etc). I'll check that. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Stephen J. Turnbull (2004-09-03) writes: >>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: > > Ralf> This is an interesting idea. I could make your code work > Ralf> within tex-fold.el. Unfortunately it modifies the buffer. > > Yes. That is the interface I would half-prefer (ie, as you described > it, the buffer contains the folded forms, while I would like to always > be able to edit the expanded forms). If the term "interface" refers to the behavior of revealing and hiding folded content, that's already in place and working in AUCTeX 11.53. Currently this is achieved with the display property of overlays in Emacs and the end-glyph property in XEmacs. This means, the buffer text remains untouched and this is what I prefer. It saves me from using all sorts of fragile workarounds like the ones mentioned below. > Ralf> That means the approach modifies the undo list, > > This seems impossible to work around, so you'll have to give me a > couple of days. ;-) > > Ralf> interferes with save and auto save, > > These are hard but have an obvious workaround. You would use a hook > to expand all such extents before saving, but that can be fragile. I appreciate your effort, but don't you think that it would be a better idea to give XEmacs the capability of multi-line display strings? At least I get a bellyache when I think of incidents like a power failure which might leave the user with an auto-save file with folded content only. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 3 05:33:43 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i839XfFx027020; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:33:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i839Xcol027004 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:33:38 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i839XcaD027003 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:33:38 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i839Xaqr026986 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:33:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i839XaFN026985 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:33:36 -0400 Received: from inet-mail1.oracle.com (inet-mail1.oracle.com [148.87.2.201]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i839XUfc026938; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 05:33:31 -0400 Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (rgmgw3.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.12]) by inet-mail1.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i839ZaKE014999; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i839XVIj005169; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:33:31 -0600 Received: from vzell-de.de.oracle.com (dhcp-duesseldorf-140-86-211-22.de.oracle.com [140.86.211.22]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i839XT1C005106; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:33:30 -0600 X-Mailer: 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 10 I) To: Vin Shelton X-Face: I-*}xvwusAv%MlABo'jVNP7TDXf5bb*L[q, r{DnsR1GoL07^Wf)sAu%>!LjXAFlZZN+`OQu }?#du]C)[*%ERKR#+l#sX'EoNbSO~|.x@ogoS5|"-u? <5453c2lyk8c.fsf@xemacs.org> <87brh9x1on.fsf@vzell-de.de.oracle.com> From: "Dr. Volker Zell" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:33:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Vin Shelton's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:25:31 -0400") Message-ID: <873c1zwvaw.fsf@vzell-de.de.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, cygwin32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of dr.volker.zell@oracle.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: XEmacs 21.4.15 does not compile on cygwin with gcc 3.3.3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> Vin Shelton writes: > I'm still on my mission to minimize differences between the Cygwin > version and standard XEmacs.... >> >> Why does the test for linuxplay.o succeed incorrectly? How can we fix >> this up (in configure.in, of course). > Volker (or anyone else), > Any thoughts on this linuxplay.o issue? xemacs-21.5.12 seems to do this right. > Thanks, > Vin > PS. Volker - aren't there more FHS issues than just the lib/share > difference? Surely, that's not the only issue? Basically that's it. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of markus.grunwald@pruftechnik.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i839wLCk032685 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.12] M-x info does not work here X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Dear Bug Team! When running "M-x info", xemacs doesn't open an overview of all installed info files, but gives me an empty "Info" buffer and creates 6 buffers with info dirs in "fundamental" mode (not "info" mode). In the message line appears a "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" (see below). I can't open any info page this way. Entering the info file directly, e.g. "C-u C-h i" , then type "/usr/share/info/cvs.info.gz" works. I know that my xemacs version is quite old, but I don't have the possibility to install a new one here... Thanks for any help, These are the buffers that are new after "M-x info": MR Buffer Size Mode File -- ------ ---- ---- ---- % *info* 0 Info dir 546 Fundamental /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/dir dir<2> 2641 Text /usr/share/xemacs/info/dir info.notes 42 Fundamental /home/gru/.xemacs/info.notes "info dir<3>" 0 Fundamental * "info dir<2>" 750 Fundamental * "info dir" 2587 Fundamental These are the contents of the buffers: =============== Buffer: "dir" =============== -*- Text -*- This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at that node, which is (dir)Top.  File: dir Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. * Menu: The list of major topics begins on the next line. Info files in /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/: * Wanderlust-ja: (wl-ja). Yet Another Message Interface On Emacsen * Wanderlust: (wl). Yet Another Message Interface On Emacsen =============== Buffer: "dir<2>" =============== This is the file /usr/share/info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy, called (dir)Top. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at this node.  File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, "h" gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to select it. * Menu: Utilities * Bash: (bash). The GNU Bourne-Again SHell. Libraries * History: (history). The GNU history library API * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API =============== Buffer: "info.notes" =============== Press C-c C-c to save and return to Info. =============== Buffer: "info dir<3>" =============== < empty > =============== Buffer: "info dir<2>" =============== This is the file /usr/share/info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy, called (dir)Top. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at this node.  File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, "h" gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to select it. * Menu: Utilities * Bash: (bash). The GNU Bourne-Again SHell. Libraries * History: (history). The GNU history library API * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API =============== Buffer: "info dir" =============== -*- Text -*- This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at that node, which is (dir)Top.  File: dir Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. * Menu: The list of major topics begins on the next line. Info files in /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/info/: * Auctex:: [No description available] * Bbdb:: [No description available] * Build:: [No description available] * Calc:: [No description available] * Cc-Mode:: [No description available] * Clearcase:: [No description available] * Ecb:: [No description available] * Ediff:: [No description available] * Edit-Utils:: [No description available] * Efs:: [No description available] * Eieio:: [No description available] * Elib:: [No description available] * Emacs-Mime:: [No description available] * Eshell:: [No description available] * Ess:: [No description available] * Eudc:: [No description available] * Forms:: [No description available] * Gnats:: [No description available] * Gnus:: [No description available] * Hm--Html-Mode:: [No description available] * Idlwave:: [No description available] * Ilisp:: [No description available] * Ispell:: [No description available] * Liece:: [No description available] * Mailcrypt:: [No description available] * Message:: [No description available] * Mew:: [No description available] * Mew:: [No description available] * Mh-E:: [No description available] * Mmm:: [No description available] * Patcher:: [No description available] * Pcl-Cvs:: [No description available] * Pgg:: [No description available] * Psgml-Api:: [No description available] * Psgml:: [No description available] * Reftex:: [No description available] * Rmail:: [No description available] * Sasl:: [No description available] * Semantic:: [No description available] * Send-Pr:: [No description available] * Sieve:: [No description available] * Sml-Mode:: [No description available] * Speedbar:: [No description available] * Supercite:: [No description available] * Tempo:: [No description available] * Tramp:: [No description available] * Vhdl-Mode:: [No description available] * Viper:: [No description available] * Vm:: [No description available] * W3-Faq:: [No description available] * W3:: [No description available] * Xslt-Process:: [No description available] * Zenirc:: [No description available] ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux E120 2.4.20 #1 SMP Sat Mar 1 05:02:33 UTC 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux ./configure 'i386-suse-linux' '--with-gcc' '--dynamic' '--rel-alloc' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--cflags=-O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -Wno-switch -pipe -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0' '--ldflags=-s -znocombreloc' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/X11R6/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--archlibdir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.12/i386-suse-linux' '--docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.12/i386-suse-linux' '--lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp' '--pkgdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp' '--etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/etc' '--statedir=/var/lib/xemacs' '--moduledir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.12/i386-suse-linux/modules' '--infodir=/usr/share/xemacs/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--with-sound=native' '--with-database=gnudbm,berkdb' '--with-ncurses' '--with-tty=yes' '--with-gpm' '--with-site-lisp' '--pdump' '--with-xpm' '--with-gif' '--with-tiff' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-x' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-widgets=athena' '--x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib' '--with-mule' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-xfs' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-ldap' '--with-pop' XEmacs 21.4.12 "Portable Code" configured for `i386-suse-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/src/packages/BUILD/xemacs-21.4.12 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -Wno-switch -pipe -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. 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/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/mail-lib/smtpmail /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-pgp5 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-pgp5 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-def /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-def /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-pgp /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-pgp /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-gpg /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-gpg /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-parse /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-parse /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hmac-md5 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/hmac-md5 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-scram /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-scram /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-digest /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-digest /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hmac-def /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/hmac-def /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hmac-sha1 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/hmac-sha1 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-cram /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-cram /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel-u /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel-u /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel-q /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel-q /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel-g /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel-g /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/signature /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/signature /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/mime-setup /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mime-setup /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel /usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/site-packages/lisp/term/gnome /usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp/gnome /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp/build-report) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- ((zenirc:version 1.13 :type regular) (xslt-process :version 1.11 :type regular) (xslide :version 1.04 :type regular) (xemacs-devel :version 1.5 :type single-file) (xemacs-base :version 1.75 :type regular) (w3 :version 1.28 :type regular) (vm :version 7.07 :type regular) (viper :version 1.35 :type regular) (view-process :version 1.12 :type regular) (vhdl :version 1.16 :type regular) (vc-cc :version 1.21 :type regular) (vc :version 1.35 :type regular) (tramp :version 1.11 :type regular) (tpu :version 1.12 :type regular) (tooltalk :version 1.13 :type regular) (tm :version 1.35 :type regular) (time :version 1.12 :type regular) (textools :version 1.14 :type regular) (text-modes :version 1.58 :type single-file) (texinfo :version 1.23 :type regular) (supercite :version 1.19 :type regular) (strokes :version 1.08 :type regular) (speedbar :version 1.26 :type regular) (sounds-wav :version 1.1 :type regular) (sounds-au :version 1.1 :type regular) (sml-mode :version 0.07000000000000001 :type regular) (slider :version 1.13 :type regular) (sieve :version 1.11 :type regular) (sh-script :version 1.17 :type regular) (sgml :version 1.08 :type regular) (semantic :version 1.17 :type regular) (scheme :version 1.13 :type regular) (sasl :version 1.12 :type regular) (ruby-modes :version 1.01 :type regular) (rmail :version 1.13 :type regular) (reftex :version 1.28 :type regular) (python-modes :version 1.02 :type single-file) (psgml-dtds :version 1.02 :type regular) (psgml :version 1.38 :type regular) (ps-print :version 1.08 :type regular) (prog-modes :version 1 .72 :type single-file) (pgg :version 1.02 :type regular) (perl-modes :version 1.04 :type single-file) (pcomplete :version 1.02 :type regular) (pcl-cvs :version 1.64 :type regular) (pc :version 1.25 :type single-file) (os-utils :version 1.3 :type single-file) (ocaml :version 0.04 :type regular) (net-utils :version 1.31 :type single-file) (mmm-mode :version 1.0 :type regular) (misc-games :version 1.16 :type single-file) (mine :version 1.14 :type regular) (mh-e :version 1.17 :type regular) (mew :version 1.17 :type regular) (mailcrypt :version 2.12 :type regular) (mail-lib :version 1.56 :type regular) (liece :version 1.1 :type regular) (jde :version 1.43 :type regular) (ispell :version 1.24 :type regular) (ilisp :version 1.29 :type regular) (igrep :version 1.1 :type regular) (idlwave :version 1.28 :type regular) (ibuffer :version 1.08 :type regular) (hm--html-menus :version 1.18 :type regular) (haskell-mode :version 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regular) (debug :version 1.16 :type regular) (crisp :version 1.12 :type regular) (cookie :version 1.14 :type regular) (clearcase :version 1.04 :type regular) (cc-mode :version 1.32 :type regular) (calendar :version 1.19 :type regular) (calc :version 1.23 :type regular) (c-support :version 1.16 :type single-file) (build :version 1.1 :type regular) (bbdb :version 1.21 :type regular) (auctex :version 1.33 :type regular) (apel :version 1.26 :type regular) (ada :version 1.13 :type regular) (Sun :version 1.13 :type regular) (skk :version 1.23 :type regular) (mule-ucs :version 1.04 :type regular) (mule-base :version 1.42 :type regular) (lookup :version 1.13 :type regular) (leim :version 1.2 :type regular) (latin-unity :version 1.07 :type regular) (egg-its :version 1.26 :type regular) (edict :version 1.13 :type regular)) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 efs-cu info cus-face zenirc-autoloads xslt-process-autoloads xslide-autoloads xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads viper-autoloads view-process-autoloads vhdl-autoloads vc-cc-autoloads vc-autoloads tramp-autoloads tpu-autoloads tooltalk-autoloads tm-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads supercite-autoloads strokes-autoloads speedbar-autoloads sounds-wav-autoloads sounds-au-autoloads sml-mode-autoloads slider-autoloads sieve-autoloads sh-script-autoloads sgml-autoloads semantic-autoloads scheme-autoloads sasl-autoloads ruby-modes-autoloads rmail-autoloads reftex-autoloads python-modes-autoloads psgml-dtds-autoloads psgml-autoloads ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pgg-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads pc-autoloads os-utils-autoloads ocaml-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mine-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mew-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads liece-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads idlwave-autoloads ibuffer-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads haskell-mode-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads general-docs-autoloads games-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads frame-icon-autoloads fortran-modes-autoloads forms-autoloads footnote-autoloads eudc-autoloads eterm-autoloads ess-autoloads eshell-autoloads emerge-autoloads elib-autoloads eieio-autoloads efs-autoloads edt-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads ediff-hook edebug-autoloads ecrypto-autoloads ecb-autoloads docbookide-autoloads dired-autoloads dictionary-autoloads debug-autoloads crisp-autoloads cookie-autoloads clearcase-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads build-autoloads bbdb-autoloads auctex-autoloads apel-autoloads ada-autoloads Sun-autoloads skk-autoloads mule-ucs-autoloads mule-base-autoloads lookup-autoloads leim-autoloads latin-unity-autoloads egg-its-autoloads edict-autoloads wl-autoloads semi-autoloads flim-autoloads lisp-autoloads disp-table loadhist auto-show fontl-hooks x-iso8859-1 canna-leim slovenian czech romanian ccl mule-help code-cmds gutter-items menubar-items x-menubar mode-motion mouse itimer auto-save lisp-mode easymenu iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete cus-file derived frame text-props obsolete cus-start custom widget cl-extra mini-cl cl cl-19 packages backquote very-early-lisp CANNA file-coding wnn mule lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars athena-dialogs x c-balloon-help tty-frames tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar unix-processes multicast network-streams subprocesses modules menu-accelerator-support menubar berkeley-db dbm md5 xemacs xim i18n2 gutter tiff png gif jpeg xface xpm xbm lisp-float-type linux dialog devices window-system base64) Recent keystrokes: ----------------- M-x i n f o RET M-x r e p o r t - x e m TAB RET Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... Wrong type argument: stringp, nil Rebuilding temporary /usr/share/xemacs/info/dir...done Rebuilding temporary /usr/share/xemacs/info/dir... Note: file is write protected Creating temporary dir in /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/...done File not found and directory write-protected Creating temporary dir in /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/... Composing main Info directory... Loading efs-cu...done Loading efs-cu... Loading info...done Loading cus-face...done Loading cus-face... Loading info... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Markus Grunwald Softwareentwicklung PRÜFTECHNIK Condition Monitoring GmbH Oskar-Messter-Straße 19-21 85737 Ismaning www.pruftechnik.com Tel: +49 (0)89 99616177 Fax: +49 (0)89 99616200 From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 3 06:37:41 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83AbPmX009241; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:37:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83AbOIv009235 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:37:24 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83AbO1D009234 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:37:24 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83AbLVE009216 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:37:21 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83AbLGB009215 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:37:21 -0400 Received: from washington.hostforweb.net (washington.hostforweb.net [69.61.11.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83AbLgV009209 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:37:21 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by washington.hostforweb.net with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3BQ3-0001pc-Dx; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 06:35:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:37:29 +0900 Message-ID: From: Katsumi Yamaoka To: ding@gnus.org References: Organization: Emacsen advocacy group X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CdI6jGOwDcr/zVFJb/J/CLt3DIc= X-Hashcash: 0:040903:ding@gnus.org:d48219238b46c219 X-Hashcash: 0:040903:xemacs-beta@xemacs.org:efcabddc5929b76d MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - washington.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - xemacs.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> In Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > I need to look into it further... I discovered what's wrong. The problem is caused by a bug of XEmacs 21.4. Emacs 21.x and XEmacs 21.5 return `0' for the following form, but XEmacs 21.4 returns nil for it. (let ((subject "Re: [Exim] Exceptions to globs") (regexp "^\\(?:R[Ee]: +\\)*\\(\\[Exim\\] *\\)")) (string-match regexp subject)) The reason why the list identifier is removed in the parent article is that the subject doesn't begin with `Re: '. A special regexp called `shy group' is there. XEmacs 21.4 supports it but doesn't seem to work in some cases. The recent Gnus uses it in several Lisp modules, however I don't know whether we should restore all or some as before. If anything, I don't feel like degenerating them. Because using `shy group' is hopeful to improve the performance. Isn't there a chance of fixing XEmacs 21.4? From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 3 07:48:45 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83BmTbn025161; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:48:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83BmSeQ025151 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:48:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83BmRU1025150 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:48:27 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83BmOnO025131 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:48:24 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83BmNsi025130 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:48:23 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83BmNu9025123 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:48:23 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C3CYV-0002vh-00; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:48:35 +0900 To: Markus.Grunwald@pruftechnik.com References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:48:35 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Markus Grunwald's message of "Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:58:18 +0200") Message-ID: <87pt534lpo.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.12] M-x info does not work here X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Markus" == Markus Grunwald writes: The contents of the directory buffers looks normal. Clearly you're getting most of the way there, but the process gets interrupted by the error. Markus> "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" (see below). I suspect this is a bug that has been fixed; there have been a couple that produce this message. I think it's best to update XEmacs. Since that is difficult, you should set Options -> Troubleshooting -> Debug on Error to On and then elicit the bug. Send us the backtrace that you get. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 3 08:43:03 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83Cgt7Z004266; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:43:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83Cg0XI004086 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:42:00 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83Cg0l7004085 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:42:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83Cft8O004054 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:41:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83Cft5V004052 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:41:55 -0400 Received: from relay1.eu.psi.net (relay1.eu.psi.net [154.15.246.50]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83CfinI004018 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:41:45 -0400 Received: from gg.pruftechnik.com ([212.222.53.82]) by relay1.eu.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C3DOA-0006PI-00 for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:41:58 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by gg.pruftechnik.com (8.11.6p2G/8.11.6) id i83Cfw216463 for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from localhost) by gg.pruftechnik.com (MSCAN) id 1/gg.pruftechnik.com/smtp-gw/mscan; Fri Sep 3 14:41:58 2004 To: XEmacs Beta MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1 January 21, 2004 Message-ID: From: Markus.Grunwald@pruftechnik.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:41:51 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of markus.grunwald@pruftechnik.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i83CfinI004018 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.12] M-x info does not work here X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello, As Stephen J. Turnbull requested, I created a backtrace to find out what caused the "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" error. The backtrace is: Signaling: (file-error "Opening input file" "Permission denied" "/usr/local/info/dir") signal(file-error ("Opening input file" "Permission denied" "/usr/local/info/dir")) byte-code("..." [visit filename err run-hook-with-args insert-file-contents-error-hook signal] 5) insert-file-contents("/usr/local/info/dir") Info-insert-dir() Info-find-file-node("/usr/share/xemacs/info/dir" "top" nil nil nil) Info-find-node("dir" "top") Info-directory() #() call-interactively(info) command-execute(info t) execute-extended-command(nil) call-interactively(execute-extended-command) With that information I was able to get M-x info workin here: chmod 644 /usr/local/info/dir did it. Thanks for you help, Markus Grunwald Softwareentwicklung PRÜFTECHNIK Condition Monitoring GmbH Oskar-Messter-Straße 19-21 85737 Ismaning www.pruftechnik.com Tel: +49 (0)89 99616177 Fax: +49 (0)89 99616200 __________________ Dear Bug Team! When running "M-x info", xemacs doesn't open an overview of all installed info files, but gives me an empty "Info" buffer and creates 6 buffers with info dirs in "fundamental" mode (not "info" mode). In the message line appears a "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" (see below). I can't open any info page this way. Entering the info file directly, e.g. "C-u C-h i" , then type "/usr/share/info/cvs.info.gz" works. I know that my xemacs version is quite old, but I don't have the possibility to install a new one here... Thanks for any help, These are the buffers that are new after "M-x info": MR Buffer Size Mode File -- ------ ---- ---- ---- % *info* 0 Info dir 546 Fundamental /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/dir dir<2> 2641 Text /usr/share/xemacs/info/dir info.notes 42 Fundamental /home/gru/.xemacs/info.notes "info dir<3>" 0 Fundamental * "info dir<2>" 750 Fundamental * "info dir" 2587 Fundamental These are the contents of the buffers: =============== Buffer: "dir" =============== -*- Text -*- This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at that node, which is (dir)Top.  File: dir Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. * Menu: The list of major topics begins on the next line. Info files in /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/: * Wanderlust-ja: (wl-ja). Yet Another Message Interface On Emacsen * Wanderlust: (wl). Yet Another Message Interface On Emacsen =============== Buffer: "dir<2>" =============== This is the file /usr/share/info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy, called (dir)Top. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at this node.  File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, "h" gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to select it. * Menu: Utilities * Bash: (bash). The GNU Bourne-Again SHell. Libraries * History: (history). The GNU history library API * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API =============== Buffer: "info.notes" =============== Press C-c C-c to save and return to Info. =============== Buffer: "info dir<3>" =============== < empty > =============== Buffer: "info dir<2>" =============== This is the file /usr/share/info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy, called (dir)Top. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at this node.  File: dir, Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. Typing "q" exits, "?" lists all Info commands, "d" returns here, "h" gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs manual, etc. In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross reference to select it. * Menu: Utilities * Bash: (bash). The GNU Bourne-Again SHell. Libraries * History: (history). The GNU history library API * Readline: (readline). The GNU readline library API =============== Buffer: "info dir" =============== -*- Text -*- This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info hierarchy. The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at that node, which is (dir)Top.  File: dir Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. * Menu: The list of major topics begins on the next line. Info files in /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/info/: * Auctex:: [No description available] * Bbdb:: [No description available] * Build:: [No description available] * Calc:: [No description available] * Cc-Mode:: [No description available] * Clearcase:: [No description available] * Ecb:: [No description available] * Ediff:: [No description available] * Edit-Utils:: [No description available] * Efs:: [No description available] * Eieio:: [No description available] * Elib:: [No description available] * Emacs-Mime:: [No description available] * Eshell:: [No description available] * Ess:: [No description available] * Eudc:: [No description available] * Forms:: [No description available] * Gnats:: [No description available] * Gnus:: [No description available] * Hm--Html-Mode:: [No description available] * Idlwave:: [No description available] * Ilisp:: [No description available] * Ispell:: [No description available] * Liece:: [No description available] * Mailcrypt:: [No description available] * Message:: [No description available] * Mew:: [No description available] * Mew:: [No description available] * Mh-E:: [No description available] * Mmm:: [No description available] * Patcher:: [No description available] * Pcl-Cvs:: [No description available] * Pgg:: [No description available] * Psgml-Api:: [No description available] * Psgml:: [No description available] * Reftex:: [No description available] * Rmail:: [No description available] * Sasl:: [No description available] * Semantic:: [No description available] * Send-Pr:: [No description available] * Sieve:: [No description available] * Sml-Mode:: [No description available] * Speedbar:: [No description available] * Supercite:: [No description available] * Tempo:: [No description available] * Tramp:: [No description available] * Vhdl-Mode:: [No description available] * Viper:: [No description available] * Vm:: [No description available] * W3-Faq:: [No description available] * W3:: [No description available] * Xslt-Process:: [No description available] * Zenirc:: [No description available] ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux E120 2.4.20 #1 SMP Sat Mar 1 05:02:33 UTC 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux ./configure 'i386-suse-linux' '--with-gcc' '--dynamic' '--rel-alloc' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--cflags=-O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -Wno-switch -pipe -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0' '--ldflags=-s -znocombreloc' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/X11R6/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--archlibdir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.12/i386-suse-linux' '--docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.12/i386-suse-linux' '--lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp' '--pkgdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp' '--etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/etc' '--statedir=/var/lib/xemacs' '--moduledir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.12/i386-suse-linux/modules' '--infodir=/usr/share/xemacs/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--with-sound=native' '--with-database=gnudbm,berkdb' '--with-ncurses' '--with-tty=yes' '--with-gpm' '--with-site-lisp' '--pdump' '--with-xpm' '--with-gif' '--with-tiff' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-x' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-widgets=athena' '--x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib' '--with-mule' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-xfs' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-ldap' '--with-pop' XEmacs 21.4.12 "Portable Code" configured for `i386-suse-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/src/packages/BUILD/xemacs-21.4.12 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -Wno-switch -pipe -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/std11 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/std11 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sha1 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/sha1 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/md5 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/md5 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/md4 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/md4 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sha1-el /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/sha1-el /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hex-util /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/hex-util /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/wl/utf7 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/utf7 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/smime /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/smime /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mailcap /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/mailcap /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/smtpmail /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/mail-lib/smtpmail /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-pgp5 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-pgp5 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-def /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-def /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-pgp /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-pgp /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-gpg /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-gpg /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/pgg-parse /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/pgg/pgg-parse /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hmac-md5 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/hmac-md5 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-scram /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-scram /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-digest /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-digest /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hmac-def /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/hmac-def /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/hmac-sha1 /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/hmac-sha1 /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-ntlm /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl-cram /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl-cram /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/sasl /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sasl/sasl /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel-u /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel-u /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel-q /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel-q /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel-g /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel-g /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/signature /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/signature /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/semi/mime-setup /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mime-setup /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/flim/mel /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/tm/mel /usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/site-packages/lisp/term/gnome /usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp/gnome /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/share/xemacs/21.4.12/lisp/build-report) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- ((zenirc:version 1.13 :type regular) (xslt-process :version 1.11 :type regular) (xslide :version 1.04 :type regular) (xemacs-devel :version 1.5 :type single-file) (xemacs-base :version 1.75 :type regular) (w3 :version 1.28 :type regular) (vm :version 7.07 :type regular) (viper :version 1.35 :type regular) (view-process :version 1.12 :type regular) (vhdl :version 1.16 :type regular) (vc-cc :version 1.21 :type regular) (vc :version 1.35 :type regular) (tramp :version 1.11 :type regular) (tpu :version 1.12 :type regular) (tooltalk :version 1.13 :type regular) (tm :version 1.35 :type regular) (time :version 1.12 :type regular) (textools :version 1.14 :type regular) (text-modes :version 1.58 :type single-file) (texinfo :version 1.23 :type regular) (supercite :version 1.19 :type regular) (strokes :version 1.08 :type regular) (speedbar :version 1.26 :type regular) (sounds-wav :version 1.1 :type regular) (sounds-au :version 1.1 :type regular) (sml-mode :version 0.07000000000000001 :type regular) (slider :version 1.13 :type regular) (sieve :version 1.11 :type regular) (sh-script :version 1.17 :type regular) (sgml :version 1.08 :type regular) (semantic :version 1.17 :type regular) (scheme :version 1.13 :type regular) (sasl :version 1.12 :type regular) (ruby-modes :version 1.01 :type regular) (rmail :version 1.13 :type regular) (reftex :version 1.28 :type regular) (python-modes :version 1.02 :type single-file) (psgml-dtds :version 1.02 :type regular) (psgml :version 1.38 :type regular) (ps-print :version 1.08 :type regular) (prog-modes :version 1 .72 :type single-file) (pgg :version 1.02 :type regular) (perl-modes :version 1.04 :type single-file) (pcomplete :version 1.02 :type regular) (pcl-cvs :version 1.64 :type regular) (pc :version 1.25 :type single-file) (os-utils :version 1.3 :type single-file) (ocaml :version 0.04 :type regular) (net-utils :version 1.31 :type single-file) (mmm-mode :version 1.0 :type regular) (misc-games :version 1.16 :type single-file) (mine :version 1.14 :type regular) (mh-e :version 1.17 :type regular) (mew :version 1.17 :type regular) (mailcrypt :version 2.12 :type regular) (mail-lib :version 1.56 :type regular) (liece :version 1.1 :type regular) (jde :version 1.43 :type regular) (ispell :version 1.24 :type regular) (ilisp :version 1.29 :type regular) (igrep :version 1.1 :type regular) (idlwave :version 1.28 :type regular) (ibuffer :version 1.08 :type regular) (hm--html-menus :version 1.18 :type regular) (haskell-mode :version 1.05 :type regular) (gnus :version 1.65 :type regular) (gnats :version 1.15 :type regular) (general-docs :version 1.0 :type regular) (games :version 1.13 :type regular) (fsf-compat :version 1.12 :type single-file) (frame-icon :version 1.09 :type regular) (fortran-modes :version 1.02 :type single-file) (forms :version 1.14 :type regular) (footnote :version 1.15 :type regular) (eudc :version 1.37 :type regular) (eterm :version 1.13 :type regular) (ess :version 1.03 :type regular) (eshell :version 1.04 :type regular) (emerge :version 1.09 :type regular) (elib :version 1.1 :type single-file) (eieio :version 1.04 :type regular) (efs :version 1.29 :type regular) (edt :version 1.12 :type regular) (edit-utils :version 1.98 :type single-file) (ediff :version 1.46 :type regular) (edebug :version 1.15 :type regular) (ecrypto :version 0.12 :type regular) (ecb :version 1.01 :type regular) (docbookide :version 0.06 :type regular) (dired :version 1.13 :type regular) (dictionary :version 1.11 :type regular) (debug :version 1.16 :type regular) (crisp :version 1.12 :type regular) (cookie :version 1.14 :type regular) (clearcase :version 1.04 :type regular) (cc-mode :version 1.32 :type regular) (calendar :version 1.19 :type regular) (calc :version 1.23 :type regular) (c-support :version 1.16 :type single-file) (build :version 1.1 :type regular) (bbdb :version 1.21 :type regular) (auctex :version 1.33 :type regular) (apel :version 1.26 :type regular) (ada :version 1.13 :type regular) (Sun :version 1.13 :type regular) (skk :version 1.23 :type regular) (mule-ucs :version 1.04 :type regular) (mule-base :version 1.42 :type regular) (lookup :version 1.13 :type regular) (leim :version 1.2 :type regular) (latin-unity :version 1.07 :type regular) (egg-its :version 1.26 :type regular) (edict :version 1.13 :type regular)) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 efs-cu info cus-face zenirc-autoloads xslt-process-autoloads xslide-autoloads xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads viper-autoloads view-process-autoloads vhdl-autoloads vc-cc-autoloads vc-autoloads tramp-autoloads tpu-autoloads tooltalk-autoloads tm-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads supercite-autoloads strokes-autoloads speedbar-autoloads sounds-wav-autoloads sounds-au-autoloads sml-mode-autoloads slider-autoloads sieve-autoloads sh-script-autoloads sgml-autoloads semantic-autoloads scheme-autoloads sasl-autoloads ruby-modes-autoloads rmail-autoloads reftex-autoloads python-modes-autoloads psgml-dtds-autoloads psgml-autoloads ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pgg-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads pc-autoloads os-utils-autoloads ocaml-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mine-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mew-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads liece-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads idlwave-autoloads ibuffer-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads haskell-mode-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads general-docs-autoloads games-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads frame-icon-autoloads fortran-modes-autoloads forms-autoloads footnote-autoloads eudc-autoloads eterm-autoloads ess-autoloads eshell-autoloads emerge-autoloads elib-autoloads eieio-autoloads efs-autoloads edt-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads ediff-hook edebug-autoloads ecrypto-autoloads ecb-autoloads docbookide-autoloads dired-autoloads dictionary-autoloads debug-autoloads crisp-autoloads cookie-autoloads clearcase-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads build-autoloads bbdb-autoloads auctex-autoloads apel-autoloads ada-autoloads Sun-autoloads skk-autoloads mule-ucs-autoloads mule-base-autoloads lookup-autoloads leim-autoloads latin-unity-autoloads egg-its-autoloads edict-autoloads wl-autoloads semi-autoloads flim-autoloads lisp-autoloads disp-table loadhist auto-show fontl-hooks x-iso8859-1 canna-leim slovenian czech romanian ccl mule-help code-cmds gutter-items menubar-items x-menubar mode-motion mouse itimer auto-save lisp-mode easymenu iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete cus-file derived frame text-props obsolete cus-start custom widget cl-extra mini-cl cl cl-19 packages backquote very-early-lisp CANNA file-coding wnn mule lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars athena-dialogs x c-balloon-help tty-frames tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar unix-processes multicast network-streams subprocesses modules menu-accelerator-support menubar berkeley-db dbm md5 xemacs xim i18n2 gutter tiff png gif jpeg xface xpm xbm lisp-float-type linux dialog devices window-system base64) Recent keystrokes: ----------------- M-x i n f o RET M-x r e p o r t - x e m TAB RET Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... Wrong type argument: stringp, nil Rebuilding temporary /usr/share/xemacs/info/dir...done Rebuilding temporary /usr/share/xemacs/info/dir... Note: file is write protected Creating temporary dir in /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/...done File not found and directory write-protected Creating temporary dir in /usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/info/... Composing main Info directory... Loading efs-cu...done Loading efs-cu... Loading info...done Loading cus-face...done Loading cus-face... Loading info... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Markus Grunwald Softwareentwicklung PRÜFTECHNIK Condition Monitoring GmbH Oskar-Messter-Straße 19-21 85737 Ismaning www.pruftechnik.com Tel: +49 (0)89 99616177 Fax: +49 (0)89 99616200 From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 3 11:17:22 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83FHIxH001342; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:17:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83FHGpe001333 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:17:16 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83FHGFN001332 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:17:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83FHErT001316 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:17:14 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i83FHEYb001314 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:17:14 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83FHDLa001303 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:17:14 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C3FoV-0003gT-00; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:17:19 +0900 To: Katsumi Yamaoka References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:17:19 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:37:29 +0900") Message-ID: <878ybr4c1s.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: ding@gnus.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: shy group bug in XEmacs 21.4 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "KY" == Katsumi Yamaoka writes: KY> If anything, I don't feel like degenerating them. Because KY> using `shy group' is hopeful to improve the performance. IIRC, shy groups by themselves make negligible difference to XEmacs's regexps. I think the improvement in clarity and flexibility of subexpressions is well worth it though. KY> Isn't there a chance of fixing XEmacs 21.4? It depends on exactly what code needs to be changed, although Vin S. has final say either way. Do you have any idea where the bug is? It's been a while since I looked at regexp.c. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: shy group bug in XEmacs 21.4 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ding stripped until we've decided if and when to fix. >>>>> "KY" == Katsumi Yamaoka writes: KY> I discovered what's wrong. 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SY> Yes. But you really meant SY> $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/var:-) NO, on debian $prefix/lib/xemacs just contains site-lisp site-lisp-21 both being empty. >> Second in this case the auctex variable (in tex-site.el) SY> How about... SY> (defcustom TeX-auto-global SY> (file-name-as-directory SY> (expand-file-name "auto" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) SY> "*Directory containing automatically generated information. SY> Must end with a directory separator. SY> For storing automatic extracted information about the TeX SY> macros shared by all users of a site." SY> :group 'TeX-file :type 'directory) Ok that looks good to me. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: some very primitve tools for admin 3rd party pkg X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> * Uwe Brauer writes: >> I have written some short and primitive tools for dealing with >> 3rd party pkg. May somebody could improve this to something >> decent. Steve I know that you have been thinking about this >> problem. SY> hehe, yep. >> (defvar my-prefix-pkg "/usr/share/xemacs21" "*Prefix of the >> global 3rd party directory") SY> This needs to be either SY> $prefix/lib/xemacs/site-packages/ Again not on debian! SY> or SY> $HOME/.xemacs/site-packages/ SY> But probably it needs to be both. >> (defun my-delete-3rd-pkg () "A small hack for deleting 3rd >> party pkg, which are placed either in ~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages >> or in prefix/xemacs-packages." (interactive) (shell-command >> (concat "rm -rf `cat pkginfo/MANIFEST." (read-string "Name of >> pkg: (Must be in ~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages or in >> prefix/xemacs-packages.): ") "`"))) SY> Where's `my-install-3rd-pkg'? :-) >> (defun my-list-3rd-pkg () SY> Needs to come up in `pui-list-packages' SY> Uwe, I see what you are trying to get to and I think what you SY> have is great. However, what I am looking for is seamless SY> integration into the current PUI tools. Right, besides my primitive stuff uses linux/unix tools and does not work for Window, at least not without difficulties. That's why I think we should have a closer look of Stephens proposal. Did you get it to work? SY> Now, just to throw some ideas into the air (these are coming SY> to me now as I write this so they'll probably be full of SY> holes)... SY> A 3rd party package developer puts 2 files on his FTP SY> server... SY> foo-1.99-3rdppkg.tar.gz foo-info SY> The first one is obvious. The 2nd is like our SY> package-index.LATEST file except it only has the details for SY> the foo package. SY> On his website, under installation instructions it says... SY> M-x pui-install-3rd-party-pkg RET SY> /ftp.foo.org:/pub/pkg/foo-info RET That for sure is nice, but requires more infrastructure (may be a lot more of infrastructure) than what I have in mind. I use alien a lot. I download source compile it install it and then order to convert into deb. So for me it is just a convenient way for un installing (and installing) not so much upgrading, but sure what you have in mind is much more general and cleaner. SY> The user does that, and churn churn churn, his foo package is SY> updated to 1.99. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of ed@budvar.future-i.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.5-b16] Coredump while using gnus X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org To: XEmacs Beta Subject: [Bug: 21.5-b16] Coredump while using gnus --text follows this line-- ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! While reading news with Gnus I got a sudden coredump. Here is the stack backtrace. I should mention that the xemacs-21.5.16 I am using is not 100% vanilla, but I think the patches applied to package it as an RPM are unlikely to be related to this crash. They were: xemacs-21-cursor.patch xemacs-21.5.14-find-paths-pkgdir.patch configure-ppc-ldscript.patch menubar-games.patch xemacs-21.4.12-find-paths-libexec-lib64.patch xemacs-21.4.12-mk-nochk-features.patch xemacs-21.5.14-utf8-fontsets.patch in other words, mostly related to build time configuration. If you insist, I will switch to a completely pristine xemacs build, but I hope this bug report will give enough useful information. #0 0x003dc7a2 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x0041c266 in kill () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #2 0x080ea54b in fatal_error_signal (sig=17768) at emacs.c:3515 #3 #4 0x003dc7a2 in _dl_sysinfo_int80 () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #5 0x0041be49 in raise () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #6 0x0041d872 in abort () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #7 0x080eb8ab in really_abort () at emacs.c:4365 #8 0x080ea5d3 in assert_failed (file=0x8331360 "print.c", line=17768, expr=0x6 "") at emacs.c:3701 #9 0x08206125 in printing_major_badness (printcharfun=0, badness_string=0x4568
, type=-18110752, val=0x6, badness=BADNESS_INTEGER_OBJECT) at print.c:1480 #10 0x08206294 in print_internal (obj=169586832, printcharfun=158493360, escapeflag=5292028) at print.c:1709 #11 0x0820439c in print_error_message (error_object=1, stream=158493360) at print.c:977 #12 0x08204620 in Fdisplay_error (error_object=0, stream=0) at print.c:1035 #13 0x080f1e2b in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0x2) at eval.c:3842 #14 0x080a5054 in execute_optimized_program ( program=0x99e1d78 "Æ\033Ç\032\r¢\034Ç\021Æ\211\020\026\035Ç\026\036\016\037«\004È \210É \210\r\026 ÊÇ!\210ËÇ\fÌa«\037Í\rA@!«\025Î\rA@GU¬\rÏ\rA@ÎH!«\004Ъ\035Ѫ\032\fÒa«\004Òª\022\fÓs«\004Ôª\n\fÕa«\004Öª\002×\"\210Ø\rÆ\"\210Ù «\vÊÚ\016!\"\210ÛÜ!\210+Æ\207", stack_depth=161357278, constants_data=0xf6deb8f4) at bytecode.c:603 #15 0x080f70c0 in funcall_compiled_function (fun=-152597504, nargs=1, args=0xfeebacac) at opaque.h:36 #16 0x080f1d1c in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xfeebaca8) at eval.c:3881 #17 0x080f300f in call1 (fn=0, arg0=0) at eval.c:4487 #18 0x080ee48d in condition_case_1 (handlers=0, bfun=0x80b77e0 , barg=-153873400, hfun=0x80b7400 , harg=-153873400) at eval.c:1901 #19 0x080b750c in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:252 #20 0x080b754b in command_loop_2 (dummy=-153873400) at cmdloop.c:263 #21 0x080edf09 in internal_catch (tag=0, func=0x80b7540 , arg=-153873400, threw=0x0, thrown_tag=0x0) at eval.c:1527 #22 0x080b7627 in initial_command_loop (load_me=6) at cmdloop.c:301 #23 0x080e893a in xemacs_21_5_b16_i386_redhat_linux (argc=5, argv=0xfeebb054, envp=0xfeebb06c, restart=0) at emacs.c:2375 #24 0x080e9df7 in main (argc=0, argv=0x0, envp=0x0) at emacs.c:2867 ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux Vigor10 2.6.7-1.499_7.rhfc2.at #1 Sun Aug 1 13:03:48 EDT 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux ./configure 'i386-redhat-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--with-gpm=no' '--with-sound=native' '--with-pop' '--mail-locking=lockf' '--with-clash-detection' '--debug=yes' '--with-mule=yes' '--with-database=berkdb' '--with-ldap=yes' '--with-hesiod=no' '--with-canna=yes' '--with-wnn=yes' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-widgets=athena' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-msw=no' '--with-xfs=yes' '--pdump' XEmacs 21.5-b16 "celeriac" configured for `i386-redhat-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/xemacs-21.5.16 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wpacked -Wshadow -Wmissing-declarations -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Compiling in support for PostgreSQL. - Using PostgreSQL header file: libpq-fe.h - Using PostgreSQL V7 bindings. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: Compiling in support for runtime error checking. WARNING: XEmacs will run noticeably more slowly as a result. WARNING: Error checking is on by default for XEmacs beta releases. 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Loading timezone...done From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sat Sep 4 12:21:40 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84GLZpb011772; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:21:36 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84GLYRo011763 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:21:34 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i84GLYFc011761 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84GLWKK011742 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:21:32 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i84GLWE2011741 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:21:32 -0400 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod6ob4.obsmtp.com [12.158.35.214]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i84GLVjL011722 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:21:31 -0400 Received: from source ([139.56.4.14]) by exprod6ob4.obsmtp.com ([12.158.35.250]) with SMTP; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:21:44 PDT Received: from triangulum1.broadvision.com (triangulum1.broadvision.com [10.10.102.100]) by nebula3.broadvision.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i84GIXW23058 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rw-gw-01.BroadVision.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triangulum1.broadvision.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06122 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rw-gw-01.broadvision.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ashin, Ken" To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:21:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of kenneth.ashin@broadvision.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Subject: symbol's function definition is void: xpm-button-create X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I doubt this is a bug. If there is a more appropriate way for me to pose this question, I'd be happy to do so. I did an install of obtained xemacs-21.1.3-sparc-sun-solaris2.6.tar.gz and ran gzip -dc xemacs-21.1.3-sparc-sun-solaris2.6.tar.gz | tar -pxf - I did not install any packages - I wanted to get plain xemacs working first. I put the bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.6 directory on my path. I use Hummingbird from a windows xp machine to get an xterm. When I run xemacs, I can open a file for editing using keyboard, but most menu choices via mouse give: symbol's function definition is void: xpm-button-create Is some package needed so that I can use the mouse? Which one(s)? (I guess I'll have to build the packages - no pre-built binaries, right?) Or perhaps I need to set some environment variables other than PATH? Thanks, Ken Ashin From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sat Sep 4 13:53:16 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84HrCdF032686; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84HrAPe032672 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:10 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i84HrAUa032670 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84Hr5fu032646 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:05 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i84Hr5be032645 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:05 -0400 Received: from eclogite.geo.umass.edu (eclogite.geo.umass.edu [128.119.45.20]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i84Hr4QE032637 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:04 -0400 Received: from aeolus.geo.umass.edu (aeolus [128.119.45.25]) by eclogite.geo.umass.edu (8.9.3p2-20030924/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10448; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aeolus.geo.umass.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aeolus.geo.umass.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84HrHsI002585; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: wdmccoy@geo.umass.edu Received: (from wdmccoy@localhost) by aeolus.geo.umass.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) id i84HrDDU002582; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200409041753.i84HrDDU002582@aeolus.geo.umass.edu> To: XEmacs Beta Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of wdmccoy@aeolus.geo.umass.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: wdmccoy@geo.umass.edu Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] crash on sparc solaris 9 (XIM problem) X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! I am having trouble building a workable xemacs-mule executable under a new, fully patched Solaris 9 installation on an old Sun Ultra-1. I can build from the sources and run a non-mule xemacs with no problem. And I can run my xemacs-mule build ok when I start with -nw. But without that flag, xemacs crashes and dumps core. The message I get is: # xemacs -vanilla Fatal error (11). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. Your version of XEmacs was distributed with a PROBLEMS file that may describe your crash, and with luck a workaround. Please check it first, but do report the crash anyway. Please report this bug by invoking M-x report-emacs-bug, or by selecting `Send Bug Report' from the Help menu. If necessary, send ordinary email to `crashes@xemacs.org'. *MAKE SURE* to include the XEmacs configuration from M-x describe-installation, or equivalently the file Installation in the top of the build tree. *Please* try *hard* to obtain a C stack backtrace; without it, we are unlikely to be able to analyze the problem. Locate the core file produced as a result of this crash (often called `core' or `core.', and located in the directory in which you started XEmacs or your home directory), and type gdb /usr/local/bin/xemacs core then type `where' at the debugger prompt. No GDB on your system? You may have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. (Ask your system administrator if you need help.) If no core file was produced, enable them (often with `ulimit -c unlimited' in case of future recurrance of the crash. Lisp backtrace follows: # (unwind-protect ...) make-device(x nil) # bind (display) make-x-device(nil) init-x-win() # bind (debugger debug-on-error command-line-args-left) command-line() # (condition-case ... . ((t (byte-code " §" ... 1)))) # bind (error-data) normal-top-level() # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) Segmentation Fault(coredump) Using gdb, I get the following: # gdb /usr/local/bin/xemacs core GNU gdb 6.0 Copyright 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "sparc-sun-solaris2.9"... warning: core file may not match specified executable file. Core was generated by `xemacs -vanilla'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. 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Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libldap.so.5 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libm.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libgen.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libgen.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libdl.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libc.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/ssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 Reading symbols from /usr/local/ssl/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/ssl/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libresolv.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libresolv.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/librt.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/librt.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libmd5.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libmd5.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libmp.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libmp.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libaio.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libaio.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/platform/SUNW,Ultra-1/lib/libc_psr.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/platform/SUNW,Ultra-1/lib/libc_psr.so.1 #0 0xfeaa0130 in _libc_kill () from /usr/lib/libc.so.1 (gdb) where #0 0xfeaa0130 in _libc_kill () from /usr/lib/libc.so.1 #1 0x00080e08 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:642 #2 #3 0x0025e804 in ?? () #4 0xfefde384 in XRegisterIMInstantiateCallback () from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4 (gdb) Any idea how to fix my installation to avoid this problem? Thanks, Bill McCoy Geosciences UMass Amherst ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: SunOS aeolus 5.9 Generic_117171-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 ./configure '--with-mule' '--with-jpeg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-png' '--with-database=berkdb' '--with-postgresql' '--site-includes=/usr/local/pgsql/include /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/include' '--site-libraries=/usr/local/pgsql/lib /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/lib' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.9'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/src/xemacs/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr/local Additional header files: /usr/local/pgsql/include /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/include Additional libraries: /usr/local/pgsql/lib /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/lib Runtime library search path: /usr/ccs/lib:/usr/local/pgsql/lib:/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.2/lib:/usr/openwin/lib:/usr/local/lib/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.9/3.4.1/../../.. Operating system description file: `s/sol2.h' Machine description file: `m/sparc.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.4.1 Compiler specs file: /usr/local/lib/gcc/sparc-sun-solaris2.9/3.4.1/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes libc: SUNWcsl 11.9.0,REV=2002.04.06.15.27 Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/openwin/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/openwin/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw - Athena library to link: Xaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Compiling in support for PostgreSQL. - Using PostgreSQL header file: libpq-fe.h - Using PostgreSQL V7 bindings. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for ToolTalk. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp/build-report) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (zenirc ver: 1.15 upstream: 2.112) (xwem ver: 1.14 upstream: 0.2) (xslt-process ver: 1.11 upstream: regular) (xslide ver: 1.09 upstream: 0.2.2) (xlib ver: 1.12 upstream: 0.2) (xemacs-devel ver: 1.64 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (xemacs-base ver: 1.87 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (x-symbol ver: 1.1 upstream: 4.5.1) (w3 ver: 1.3 upstream: 4.0pre47) (vm ver: 7.18 upstream: 7.17) (viper ver: 1.37 upstream: 3.09) (view-process ver: 1.13 upstream: 2.4) (vhdl ver: 1.19 upstream: 3.32.20) (vc-cc ver: 1.22 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (vc ver: 1.38 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tramp ver: 1.17 upstream: 2.0.35) (tpu ver: 1.14 upstream: 4.2X) (tooltalk ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tm ver: 1.37 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (time ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.17) (textools ver: 1.15 upstream: 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No-Upstream-Ver) (pgg ver: 1.04 upstream: 0.1) (perl-modes ver: 1.06 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (pcomplete ver: 1.03 upstream: 1.1.6) (pcl-cvs ver: 1.65 upstream: R-2_9_9) (pc ver: 1.26 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (os-utils ver: 1.35 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (oo-browser ver: 1.04 upstream: 4.08) (ocaml ver: 0.05 upstream: 3.06) (net-utils ver: 1.44 upstream: N/A) (mmm-mode ver: 1.02 upstream: 0.4.7) (misc-games ver: 1.18 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (mine ver: 1.16 upstream: 1.9) (mh-e ver: 1.28 upstream: 7.4.2) (mew ver: 1.18 upstream: 1.94.2) (mailcrypt ver: 2.14 upstream: 3.5.8) (mail-lib ver: 1.67 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (liece ver: 1.13 upstream: 1.4.9) (jde ver: 1.46 upstream: regular) (ispell ver: 1.29 upstream: 3.6) (ilisp ver: 1.33 upstream: 5.12.0) (igrep ver: 1.13 upstream: 2.111) (idlwave ver: 1.31 upstream: 5.1) (ibuffer ver: 1.09 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (hyperbole ver: 1.16 upstream: 4.18) (hm--html-menus ver: 1.23 upstream: 5.9) (haskell-mode ver: 1.07 upstream: 1.45) (gnus ver: 1.8 upstream: 5.10.6) (gnats ver: 1.16 upstream: 3.101) (games ver: 1.15 upstream: 1.04) (fsf-compat ver: 1.14 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (frame-icon ver: 1.11 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (fortran-modes ver: 1.04 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (forms ver: 1.15 upstream: 2.37) (footnote ver: 1.16 upstream: 0.18x) (eudc ver: 1.39 upstream: 1.32) (eterm ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ess ver: 1.1 upstream: 5.2.2) (eshell ver: 1.07 upstream: 2.4.1) (escreen ver: 1.01 upstream: 1.16) (erc ver: 0.12 upstream: Version 4.0 Revision: 1.675) (emerge ver: 1.11 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (elib ver: 1.11 upstream: 1.0) (eieio ver: 1.05 upstream: 0.17) (efs ver: 1.32 upstream: 1.22) (edt ver: 1.13 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (edit-utils ver: 2.14 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ediff ver: 1.5 upstream: 2.75) (edebug ver: 1.21 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ecrypto ver: 0.17 upstream: 2.0) (ecb ver: 1.18 upstream: 2.24) (docbookide ver: 0.07000000000000001 upstream: 0.1) (dired ver: 1.15 upstream: 7.11) (dictionary ver: 1.12 upstream: regular) (debug ver: 1.17 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (crisp ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.34) (cookie ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (clearcase ver: 1.08 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (cc-mode ver: 1.43 upstream: 5.30.9) (calendar ver: 1.23 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (calc ver: 1.25 upstream: 2.02fX3) (c-support ver: 1.2 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (build ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.02) (bbdb ver: 1.24 upstream: 2.34) (auctex ver: 1.38 upstream: 11.14) (apel ver: 1.27 upstream: 10.2) (ada ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.27) (skk ver: 1.23 upstream: regular) (mule-ucs ver: 1.06 upstream: 0.84) (mule-base ver: 1.46 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (lookup ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.0) (locale ver: 1.21 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (leim ver: 1.22 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (latin-unity ver: 1.1 upstream: 1.10) (egg-its ver: 1.27 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (edict ver: 1.16 upstream: 0.9.9) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 font disp-table cus-face zenirc-autoloads xwem-autoloads xslt-process-autoloads xslide-autoloads xlib-autoloads xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads x-symbol-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads viper-autoloads view-process-autoloads vhdl-autoloads vc-cc-autoloads vc-autoloads tramp-autoloads tpu-autoloads tooltalk-autoloads tm-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads supercite-autoloads strokes-autoloads speedbar-autoloads sounds-wav-autoloads sounds-au-autoloads sml-mode-autoloads slider-autoloads sieve-autoloads sh-script-autoloads sgml-autoloads semantic-autoloads scheme-autoloads sasl-autoloads ruby-modes-autoloads rmail-autoloads riece-autoloads reftex-autoloads python-modes-autoloads psgml-dtds-autoloads psgml-autoloads ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pgg-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads pc-autoloads os-utils-autoloads oo-browser-autoloads ocaml-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mine-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mew-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads liece-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads idlwave-autoloads ibuffer-autoloads hyperbole-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads haskell-mode-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads games-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads frame-icon-autoloads fortran-modes-autoloads forms-autoloads footnote-autoloads eudc-autoloads eterm-autoloads ess-autoloads eshell-autoloads escreen-autoloads erc-autoloads emerge-autoloads elib-autoloads eieio-autoloads efs-autoloads edt-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads edebug-autoloads ecrypto-autoloads ecb-autoloads docbookide-autoloads dired-autoloads dictionary-autoloads debug-autoloads crisp-autoloads cookie-autoloads clearcase-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads build-autoloads bbdb-autoloads auctex-autoloads apel-autoloads 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 5 12:57:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i85Gu9TZ017049; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:56:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i85Gu7AX017040 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:56:07 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i85Gu7De017039 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:56:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i85Gu41i017021 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:56:04 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i85Gu4PI017018 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:56:04 -0400 Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i85Gu3Bm017010 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:56:03 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.2.2?) (rsparapani@sbcglobal.net@69.210.73.36 with plain) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 16:56:17 -0000 In-Reply-To: <200409051601.i85G1pjG007848@gwyn.tux.org> References: <200409051601.i85G1pjG007848@gwyn.tux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CF16809-FF5C-11D8-A80C-003065D59DC8@mcw.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rodney Sparapani Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:57:04 -0500 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: "Ashin, Ken" Subject: Re: symbol's function definition is void: xpm-button-create X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org > I doubt this is a bug. If there is a more appropriate > way for me to pose this question, I'd be happy to do so. > > I did an install of obtained xemacs-21.1.3-sparc-sun-solaris2.6.tar.gz > and ran > > gzip -dc xemacs-21.1.3-sparc-sun-solaris2.6.tar.gz | tar -pxf - > > I did not install any packages - I wanted to get plain xemacs working > first. > > I put the bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.6 directory on my path. > > I use Hummingbird from a windows xp machine to get an xterm. > > When I run xemacs, I can open a file for editing using keyboard, > but most menu choices via mouse give: > > symbol's function definition is void: xpm-button-create > > > Is some package needed so that I can use the mouse? > > Which one(s)? > > (I guess I'll have to build the packages - no pre-built binaries, > right?) > > Or perhaps I need to set some environment variables other than PATH? > > Thanks, > Ken Ashin > Ken: Not sure what the problem is. But, you can get the binary packages at http://ftp.us.xemacs.org/ftp/pub/xemacs/packages/xemacs-sumo-2004-08 -18.tar.gz Rodney From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 5 21:41:03 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i861ejE9010632; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:40:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i861eife010625 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:40:44 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i861eiYA010622 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:40:44 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i861eaca010593 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:40:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i861eaXX010592 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:40:36 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i861eXWZ010581 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:40:34 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C48Uj-0006jc-00; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:40:33 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00gio0c.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <86y8jq15qc.fsf@gmx.net> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: some very primitve tools for admin 3rd party pkg X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: >>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> This needs to be either SY> $prefix/lib/xemacs/site-packages/ Uwe> Again not on debian! Debian likes to coerce packages into FHS conformance. So XEmacs's Lisp ends up in /usr/share/xemacs21/{xemacs,mule,site}-packages. Uwe> That for sure is nice, but requires more infrastructure (may Uwe> be a lot more of infrastructure) than what I have in mind. I Uwe> use alien a lot. I download source compile it install it and Uwe> then order to convert into deb. So for me it is just a Uwe> convenient way for un installing (and installing) not so much Uwe> upgrading, but sure what you have in mind is much more Uwe> general and cleaner. Problem is alien relies on a huge amount of infrastructure: the whole debian package system. It looks transparent, but I assure you it is not, for all its convenience. alien is still pretty debian-specific AFAIK; if you want to use alien for this kind of thing, you'd have to talk to the alien maintainers, or find Debian users to do it. Or if you'd like the XEmacs PUI to have some alien-like features, similar. I'm a Debian user, but I've never had much luck with alien, and don't have interest in doing that kind of stuff. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 5 22:24:35 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862OQpr018651; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:24:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862OOAx018641 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:24:24 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862OOwW018640 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:24:24 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862OKNI018607 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:24:20 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862OKkm018606 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:24:20 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862OI9J018600 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:24:19 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C49B5-0006us-00; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:24:19 +0900 To: Ed Avis References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:24:19 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Ed Avis's message of "Sat, 04 Sep 2004 15:31:47 +0100") Message-ID: <87sm9w16ek.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.5-b16] Coredump while using gnus X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ed" == Ed Avis writes: Ed> in other words, mostly related to build time configuration. Please don't add such comments to your report. If you know what the content of the patches are, be specific. If you don't give specific descriptions of purposes of the patches and the files affected, we have to assume you're just guessing. The names of several of those patches suggest to me that they change C code. The stack trace is worthless, unfortunately. Most of the the things that should be Lisp objects are bogus, and worse, the debugger disagrees from one frame to the next about what objects were passed. Frames 23 and 24 already disagree about how xemacs was invoked (#24 claims that there isn't even a program name....). AFAIK this is due to incompatibilities between the debug info emitted by gcc and what is expected by some versions of gdb, so there's probably not much you (or we) can do unless we get a reproducible crash. There were some suspicious changes to the byte-code interpreter in 21.5.15, which I think were fixed in 21.5.17. You might try updating to most recent CVS, and rebuilding. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 5 22:26:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862QtZG019150; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862QsdR019143 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:54 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862Qs21019142 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862QqvY019130 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:52 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862QqUn019129 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:52 -0400 Received: from budvar.future-i.net (budvar.future-i.net [212.100.224.95]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862QqbA019123; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:26:52 -0400 Received: from ed (helo=localhost) by budvar.future-i.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C498P-00069n-OL; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 03:21:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 03:21:33 +0100 (BST) From: Ed Avis X-Sender: ed@budvar.future-i.net To: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of ed@budvar.future-i.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.5-b16] Coredump while using gnus X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >If you know what the content of the patches are, be specific. If >you don't give specific descriptions of purposes of the patches and >the files affected, we have to assume you're just guessing. You're right I was guessing based on the filename. I might have a look at the patches and see what exactly they change... >There were some suspicious changes to the byte-code interpreter in >21.5.15, which I think were fixed in 21.5.17. ...but I have since upgraded to 21.5.17 so I will wait for a similar crash to happen again (and when it does, try switching to a vanilla xemacs build). -- Ed Avis From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 5 22:36:44 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862agZ6020754; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862afe5020748 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:41 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862af2S020747 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862adDb020726 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:39 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862acGl020725 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:38 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862ab3c020715 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:36:37 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C49N7-000754-00; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:36:45 +0900 To: "Ashin, Ken" References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:36:44 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Ken Ashin's message of "Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:21:53 -0700") Message-ID: <87oekk15tv.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: symbol's function definition is void: xpm-button-create X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ken" == Ken Ashin writes: Ken> gzip -dc xemacs-21.1.3-sparc-sun-solaris2.6.tar.gz | tar -pxf - You really do not want to do this to yourself; there are many known problems (including core dumps) with that version (the 21.1 series was retired a year ago at patchlevel 14). Build 21.4.15 from source. On Solaris it should be as simple as "./configure; make; make install", although there are some optional facilities you may want to enable. You could also get 21.1.14, but we no longer try to ensure that packages support it. As far as I know all packaged Lisp still works with 21.1.14, though. There may be more recent Solaris binaries available from Sun or a third party, but I don't know where. Ken> I did not install any packages - I wanted to get plain xemacs Ken> working first. This function is in the packages, specifically xemacs-base. You also need the efs package if you want to use the built-in package management tool to download package binaries. Ken> (I guess I'll have to build the packages - no pre-built Ken> binaries, right?) It's the other way around. Building packages is a one-size-fits-all thing, so we do that. Building the xemacs executable is platform- specific, and we can't afford either the platforms or the management effort to support binary distributions. We have a couple of volunteers for Windows, but on Unix the build process is too easy for volunteers to get very enthusiastic. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 5 22:46:39 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862kaIp022219; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:46:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862kVw2022211 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:46:31 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862kUUW022210 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:46:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862kPmn022194 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:46:25 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i862kP13022193 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:46:25 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i862kN1d022181 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:46:24 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C49WY-00077y-00; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:46:30 +0900 To: wdmccoy@geo.umass.edu References: <200409041753.i84HrDDU002582@aeolus.geo.umass.edu> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:46:30 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200409041753.i84HrDDU002582@aeolus.geo.umass.edu> (wdmccoy@geo.umass.edu's message of "Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:53:13 -0400 (EDT)") Message-ID: <87k6v815dl.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] crash on sparc solaris 9 (XIM problem) X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "wdmccoy" == wdmccoy writes: wdmccoy> And I can run my xemacs-mule build ok when I start with wdmccoy> -nw. But without that flag, xemacs crashes and dumps wdmccoy> core. The message I get is: This is probably my bad; on Solaris, unless you know what you're doing and why, you should be building with Motif, and that is intended to be default. On free platforms such as Linux, Motif has been very unreliable, so I tried to change the default to be platform specific, and introduced a bug in Solaris configuration in the process. Try adding --with-xim=motif to your configure invocation. Unless you just love Athena for some reason, you may want to add --with-dialogs=motif to get Motif-style dialogs, and optionally --with-widgets=motif to enable "native widgets" (including buttons, checkboxes, tab controls, and progress bars) and use the motif variants of them. configure should be fixed in the next version, XEmacs 21.4.16, which is due out fairly soon pending some queries to patch authors. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/Sun/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-06 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.16 released. 2004-08-24 Jerry James * sun-eos-debugger-extra.el (get-buffer-window-list): Removed. - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/ecb/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-06 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.19 released. 2004-08-31 Klaus Berndl * Sync with current upstream 2.27 2004-08-31 Klaus Berndl * Renamed ecb-images/methods/height_15_to_21 to height_14_to_21 - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/riece/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-06 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.16 released. 2004-06-27 Ilya N. Golubev * .cvsignore: Remove `Makefile'. 2004-09-05 Daiki Ueno * Riece: Version 1.0.3 released. * configure.ac: Bump up version to 1.0.3. 2004-08-16 Daiki Ueno * Riece: Version 1.0.2 released. * configure.ac: Bump up version to 1.0.2. 2004-07-10 Daiki Ueno * Riece: Version 1.0.1 released. * configure.ac: Bump up version to 1.0.1. 2004-05-29 Daiki Ueno * Riece: Version 1.0.0 released. * configure.ac: Bump up version to 1.0.0. 2004-05-07 Daiki Ueno * configure.ac: Set AM_CONDITIONAL XEMACS. * Makefile.am: Emit install-package and package target only if EMACS_FLAVOR = xemacs. - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/xemacs-devel/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-06 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.65 released. 2004-08-31 Didier Verna * Patcher 3.6 is released. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 217.13.230.178 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello I just want to sum up what is the current state of art of releasing auctex 11.53 as a XEmacs pkg. (1) you have to run .configure in order to generate the file tex-site.el from tex-site.el.in (2) the lisp files of the main directory go into $prefix/xemacs-packages/lisp/$package. (3) the texi in $prefix/xemacs-packages/info/$package (4) the additional styles files go into $prefix/xemacs-packages/etc/$package/style Note please that I write $prefix/xemacs-packages and not $prefix/lib. The former is chosen in my Debian installation. If this is non standard we should complain about it. (5) the new var directory will be $prefix/xemacs-packages/etc/$package/var (I will add a dummy file .dummy to make sure that this directory is generated). Note that the directory in (4) and (5) are not in the load path, so no file .nosearch has to be added! (6) now the tex-site.el file has to be edited. Using Steve Y idea, we will have. (defvar TeX-lisp-directory (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "style" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) "*The directory where the AUCTeX lisp files are located.") (defcustom TeX-auto-global (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "auto" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) "*Directory containing automatically generated information. Must end with a directory separator. For storing automatic extracted information about the TeX macros shared by all users of a site." :group 'TeX-file :type 'directory) (7) the *real* problem is the _variable_ (defcustom TeX-macro-global '("/usr/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/") "Directories containing the sites TeX macro files and style files. The directory names *must* end with a slash." :group 'TeX-file :type '(repeat (directory :format "%v"))) I have no idea what to do here. This is the directory where part of the tex installation is located. It is machine dependent and has been found in this case by configure. This looks really wired anybody has an idea? I have done almost all steps and could commit today or on Tuesday but I would like to settle this last problem first. Uwe Brauer From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 6 16:12:01 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86KBvkf012622; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:12:01 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86K8NKV010831 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:08:23 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i86K8NAG010830 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:08:23 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86K8Juu010799 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:08:19 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i86K8JiB010798 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:08:19 -0400 Received: from yxa.extundo.com (root@178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.230.178]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86K7oFo010665; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:08:18 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.lf.net [212.9.160.2]) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i86BU9xH021598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:30:10 +0200 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4HhI-000CU0-JU; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:30:08 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C4HhH-0005GA-VK; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:30:07 +0200 To: Didier Verna References: From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: Didier Verna , XEmacs Beta Testers Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:30:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Didier Verna's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:23:41 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75-1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on yxa-iv X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 217.13.230.178 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: XEmacs Beta Testers Subject: Re: patcher and sender address X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Didier Verna writes: > Done in Patcher 3.6 that I've just committed. Thank you Didier. A new package version is out soon :-) norbert. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 6 16:17:25 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86KHIKF014133; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:17:18 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86K9Qio011471 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:09:26 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i86K9Qav011470 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:09:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86K9MO9011450 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:09:22 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i86K9M9Y011438 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:09:22 -0400 Received: from yxa.extundo.com (root@178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.230.178]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i86K85Xb010720 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:09:21 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i869lhX7014126 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:47:44 +0200 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id E31EC328002; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:47:40 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:47:40 +0100 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: Fort Meade WQC OTP Broadside Satellite phones Gray Data X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75-1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on yxa-iv X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 217.13.230.178 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Moving to Unicode internally. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi, Firstly, this is going to take an obscene amount of time. Which, I suppose, is why no-one has done it. Beyond that; Ben's intention, from reading text.h and his design documents on it, was that multiple internal text formats would be available at runtime. So, you could have one buffer in fixed-width 16 bit format, another in variable-length 8bit format, an arbitrary string in thirty-two bit format. I'm, at least initially, not going to do that, because I don't have the energy to hunt down all the calls to INC_IBYTEPTR(ptr) and change them to INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT(ptr, format), where format is taken from the associated buffer, or the associated string. Instead, for the moment, I'm implementing a compile-time text width choice; so you have #define INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT(ptr, fmt) \ do { \ switch (fmt) \ { \ case FORMAT_UTF_8_INTERNAL: \ [...] default: \ text_checking_assert (0); \ } \ } while (0) and then you have INC_IBYTEPTR implemented as; #define INC_IBYTEPTR(ptr) INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT(ptr, EXPLICIT_IBYTE_FORMAT) where EXPLICIT_IBYTE_FORMAT is one of the four choices below, and chosen at compile time. He had also chosen four internal representation types as follows; typedef enum internal_format { FORMAT_DEFAULT, FORMAT_8_BIT_FIXED, FORMAT_16_BIT_FIXED, /* not implemented */ FORMAT_32_BIT_FIXED /* not implemented */ } Internal_Format; I've moved that over to typedef enum internal_format { FORMAT_UTF_8_INTERNAL, FORMAT_8_BIT_FIXED, FORMAT_UTF_16_INTERNAL, FORMAT_UTF_32_INTERNAL } Internal_Format; where we don't guarantee that UTF_{8,16,32}_INTERNAL are compatible with the associated standards--that is, we may choose to have five-octet-length UTF-8 strings, or two ranges of UTF-16 surrogates, to allow us to store composite characters. The intention is that FORMAT_8_BIT_FIXED is used for non-Mule builds, FORMAT_UTF_8_INTERNAL is comparable in performance and runtime size to current Mule builds, FORMAT_UTF_16_INTERNAL is used for Mule builds that will be bigger but much faster at runtime (e.g. charbpos_to_bytebpos becomes, in the most common case, DECLARE_INLINE_HEADER ( Bytebpos charbpos_to_bytebpos (struct buffer *buf, Charbpos x) ) { if (!(buf->text->seen_composite)) return x << 1; ... }) and FORMAT_UTF_32_INTERNAL will be huge in runtime size but still faster. (Umm, except for the cache misses its size will engender.) Also, to do this properly, I'm going to have to rewrite the coding systems (notably, the quickest way to a running XEmacs with some of this code in place will be to fix the console redisplay to work with it and then use a utf-8 as the terminal-coding-system.) Stephen talked about coding systems giving errors when they can't encode a character; what exactly should they do, and where should I go to find out how to implement this? - Aidan (slightly intimidated by the size of the codebase, but throwing in so many assertions that he thinks he's got a chance of doing it properly.) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 6 21:21:48 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i871LVqA008535; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:21:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i871LTlk008517 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:21:29 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i871LTAd008516 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:21:29 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i871LQLL008498 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:21:26 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i871LQ4L008497 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:21:26 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i871LOeU008483 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:21:25 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4Ufh-0003mr-00; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:21:21 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:21:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:29:25 +0200") Message-ID: <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Uwe> Note please that I write $prefix/xemacs-packages and not Uwe> $prefix/lib. The former is chosen in my Debian installation. For making the package itself, it doesn't matter. The package is created relative to xemacs-packages, and should be untarred with cwd = .../xemacs-packages. Is this (absolute) directory referred to from inside AUCTeX? If so, in XEmacs it should be changed to a form based on `locate-data-directory', as you have in (6). Also, $prefix refers to /usr/local by (XEmacs) default, and usually to /usr, or something under /opt, in OS distros that package XEmacs. In particular, in Debian it is /usr, while the packages are in /usr/share/xemacs21/{xemacs,mule}-packages as far as I know. Is that incorrect, or are we using different ideas of $prefix? Uwe> (6) now the tex-site.el file has to be edited. Using Uwe> Steve Y idea, we will have. Uwe> (defvar TeX-lisp-directory Uwe> (file-name-as-directory Uwe> (expand-file-name "style" (locate-data-directory "auctex"))) Uwe> "*The directory where the AUCTeX lisp files are located.") Uwe> (7) the *real* problem is the _variable_ Uwe> (defcustom TeX-macro-global [...] Uwe> I have no idea what to do here. This is the directory where Uwe> part of the tex installation is located. It is machine Uwe> dependent and has been found in this case by configure. This Uwe> looks really wired anybody has an idea? Find out what configure does. It's probably something based on kpsewhich. In any case, tex-site should be able to do it at run-time, at negligible cost. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 6 22:20:41 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i872KZmJ021427; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:20:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i872JqmW021147 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:19:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i872JqOW021146 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:19:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i872JmFX021118 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:19:48 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i872Jmrf021117 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:19:48 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i872JkCc021109 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:19:47 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4VZn-0003yn-00; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:19:19 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Moving to Unicode internally. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: Aidan> I'm, at least initially, not going to do that, because I Aidan> don't have the energy to hunt down all the calls to Aidan> INC_IBYTEPTR(ptr) and change them to INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT(ptr, Aidan> format), where format is taken from the associated buffer, Aidan> or the associated string. There's a script to do the global substitution, `gr', in the CVS module xemacs-builds/ben. Some of the work of dealing with INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT has already been done, by the way, for example in the regex code. It's not complete, but let's be careful that we don't end up with incompatible partial implementations. Aidan> I've moved that over to Aidan> typedef enum internal_format Aidan> { Aidan> FORMAT_UTF_8_INTERNAL, Aidan> FORMAT_8_BIT_FIXED, Aidan> FORMAT_UTF_16_INTERNAL, Aidan> FORMAT_UTF_32_INTERNAL Aidan> } Internal_Format; Uh, I think you're missing the point here. Buffer and string manipulation code by-and-large treats characters as opaque. Low-level motion, string insertion, string extraction, and deletion code, none of this cares whether a character is represented as UTF-8 as opposed to Mule buffer code, or arrays of UTF-32 as opposed to arrays of Ichars; only about counting characters, ie, recognizing character boundaries. Character insertion and extraction are the only places we must care about representation of characters, and as much as possible we should restrict that knowledge to those functions (and for efficiency, macros). Presumably efficient search and matching will require knowledge of character representations, too. Aidan> where we don't guarantee that UTF_{8,16,32}_INTERNAL are Aidan> compatible with the associated standards Again, let's not go there unless we are absolutely forced to, and even then let's see if we can drag our feet until machines are so fast and have so much memory we don't care. The irregularities of Unicode standards (especially UTF-16) are bad enough. Let's not make the proprietary encoding mistake yet again. In particular, it would be really nice if autosave files could be just a dump of the buffer contents, and legal Unicode at the same time. Aidan> Also, to do this properly, I'm going to have to rewrite the Aidan> coding systems Besides retargeting to the new internal format, what do you have in mind? Aidan> Stephen talked about coding systems giving errors when they Aidan> can't encode a character; what exactly should they do, and Aidan> where should I go to find out how to implement this? Define an appropriate error symbol (see the docstring for `error' for the current list), and just throw it. We can prototype error handling in Lisp with condition-case and if it really seems necessary for efficiency later rewrite in C. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of olav@melvin.jordforsk.no does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] updating package index X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! I try to update mackages, but updating latest package index fails with: Signaling: (error "The message was corrupt.") signal(error ("The message was corrupt.")) cerror("The message was corrupt.") apply(cerror "The message was corrupt." nil) error("The message was corrupt.") mc-gpg-verify-parser(# # # 2 nil) mc-gpg-process-region(1 81434 nil "gpg" ("--batch" "--verify") mc-gpg-verify-parser #) mc-gpg-verify-region(1 81434) mc-verify-signature() mc-verify() package-get-update-base-from-buffer(#) #("/anonymous@ftp.no.xemacs.org:pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.gpg") call-interactively(package-get-update-base) ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: SunOS melvin 5.8 Generic_117000-03 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1500 ./configure XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.8'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /local/olav/pub/editors/xemacs/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr/local Runtime library search path: /usr/ccs/lib:/usr/openwin/lib:/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.8/3.3.2/../../.. Operating system description file: `s/sol2.h' Machine description file: `m/sparc.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.2 Compiler specs file: /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.8/3.3.2/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes libc: SUNWcsl 11.8.0,REV=2000.01.08.18.12 Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/openwin/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/openwin/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw - Athena library to link: Xaw Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for ToolTalk. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: Reiner> On Tue, Sep 07 2004, Stephen J. 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Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 06:19:14 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AJCnN010983; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:19:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AJBVi010966 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:19:11 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AJBfr010965 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:19:11 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AJ7dZ010941 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:19:07 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AJ77P010939 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:19:07 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AJ7Vx010917 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:19:07 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id 20EC9328002; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:19:03 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16701.35606.12316.764398@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:19:02 +0100 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org In-Reply-To: <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: WSP MKSEARCH 701 RENS TECS chosen Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an seachtú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: > > Aidan> I'm, at least initially, not going to do that, because I > Aidan> don't have the energy to hunt down all the calls to > Aidan> INC_IBYTEPTR(ptr) and change them to INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT(ptr, > Aidan> format), where format is taken from the associated buffer, > Aidan> or the associated string. > > There's a script to do the global substitution, `gr', in the CVS > module xemacs-builds/ben. Excellent, good to know. > Some of the work of dealing with INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT has already been > done, by the way, for example in the regex code. It's not complete, > but let's be careful that we don't end up with incompatible partial > implementations. What I'm doing is pretty much entirely compatible with what Ben did, apart from the actual formats--and that's only because his formats weren't Unicode. > [...] Uh, I think you're missing the point here. Buffer and string > manipulation code by-and-large treats characters as opaque. Low-level > motion, string insertion, string extraction, and deletion code, none of > this cares whether a character is represented as UTF-8 as opposed to Mule > buffer code, or arrays of UTF-32 as opposed to arrays of Ichars; only > about counting characters, ie, recognizing character boundaries. > > Character insertion and extraction are the only places we must care > about representation of characters, and as much as possible we should > restrict that knowledge to those functions (and for efficiency, > macros). Presumably efficient search and matching will require > knowledge of character representations, too. Oh, absolutely; and that general separation is the only thing that makes changing this reasonable. The thing is, that something like directly dereferencing a pointer to an Ibyte now becomes invalid--because within this new environment, the number of octets taken up by an individual Ichar component in an Ibyte array can vary at runtime. (Yes, the runtime variance is not something I'm going to implement right now; but architecting it like we'll get round to it, does neatly side-step the issue of whether to conditionalise the Ibyte typedef, as, in an environment where octets are one of the possible formats, it needs to be the smallest addressable unit of memory. So, a byte, or void.) And directly dereferencing a pointer to an Ibyte is something that's done quite often--mainly to compare it against ASCII characters-as is adding an octet length to an Ibyte pointer and INC_IBYTEPTRing while the original pointer is less than it. > Aidan> where we don't guarantee that UTF_{8,16,32}_INTERNAL are > Aidan> compatible with the associated standards > > Again, let's not go there unless we are absolutely forced to, and even > then let's see if we can drag our feet until machines are so fast and > have so much memory we don't care. I'm not going there--mainly because that's extra work at the moment :-) . But, say, composite characters will need it, if the buffer format's UTF-16. No-one seems to care too much about them at the moment, admittedly, and we could just say "they're only supported with UTF-8 or UTF-32 as our internal format." > The irregularities of Unicode standards (especially UTF-16) are bad > enough. Let's not make the proprietary encoding mistake yet again. > > In particular, it would be really nice if autosave files could be just > a dump of the buffer contents, and legal Unicode at the same time. Absolutely. > Aidan> Also, to do this properly, I'm going to have to rewrite the > Aidan> coding systems > > Besides retargeting to the new internal format, what do you have in > mind? Umm. Nothing, beyond doing that "throw an error when we can't encode something" behaviour. And possible something like lazy loading of Unicode maping tables? Are there further changes that need to be made to them? > Define an appropriate error symbol (see the docstring for `error' for > the current list), and just throw it. We can prototype error handling > in Lisp with condition-case and if it really seems necessary for > efficiency later rewrite in C. Cool, thank you for the info. -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 06:33:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AXpb5015170; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:33:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AXowQ015158 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:33:50 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AXolB015157 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:33:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AXk1u015132 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:33:47 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AXko8015130 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:33:46 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AXkxg015121 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:33:46 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4dIF-00048f-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:33:43 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:33:43 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:33:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:33:41 +0200 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <86isaq4bcq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0VB3//MbtwevnZqY1FdYB2ax4OM= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: new messages at startup in debian 21.4.15 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi After upgrading my debian sid distribution, XEmacs 21.4.15 now starts up with the messages: Loading xlib-math... Loading xlib-math...done Loading xwem-compat... Loading xwem-compat...done I have seen a thread about this about a month ago and I am not sure that it is the same issue. I am just curious what could this startup messages mean? Should I contact the debian pkg maintainer? I did not find anything in the Changelog which could give me a hint. Uwe Brauer From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 06:49:37 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AnVww019470; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AnTTr019452 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:29 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AnTCW019451 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:29 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AnQAD019426 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:26 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AnQ6O019424 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:26 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AnOLi019408 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:49:25 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AnO7C013067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:49:24 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AnO1c013066; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:49:24 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: loading References: <86isaq4bcq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431356 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 31st day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:49:18 +1000 In-Reply-To: <86isaq4bcq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:33:41 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: new messages at startup in debian 21.4.15 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Uwe Brauer writes: > After upgrading my debian sid distribution, XEmacs 21.4.15 now starts > up with the messages: > Loading xlib-math... > Loading xlib-math...done > Loading xwem-compat... > Loading xwem-compat...done Long since fixed. But possibly the fixed versions are still in pre-release. Not sure. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkE9kjQACgkQHSfbS6lLMAP/3gCfdnQlBjd8brFrRquu9TnGmdsi sKEAoIxHhC9QT2s+RLcBIOrKepNHusMX =c4rV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 06:59:28 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AxQsv022433; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:59:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AxPLC022422 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:59:25 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AxPGg022421 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:59:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AxLO1022393 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:59:21 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87AxLiF022392 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:59:21 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87AxHJM022368 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 06:59:21 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4dgz-0004Ye-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:59:17 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:59:17 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:59:17 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:59:15 +0200 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <86oeki2vlo.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86isaq4bcq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eJOvWwjfGmB25v5V0F93JMu6hVU= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: new messages at startup in debian 21.4.15 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> * Uwe Brauer writes: >> After upgrading my debian sid distribution, XEmacs 21.4.15 now >> starts up with the messages: >> Loading xlib-math... Loading xlib-math...done Loading >> xwem-compat... Loading xwem-compat...done SY> Long since fixed. But possibly the fixed versions are still SY> in pre-release. Not sure. I see, strange thing is that this happened *after* a debian upgrade! This is a lisp problem, I presume? Which are the pkg in questions? Maybe I just upgrade them myself! From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 07:12:09 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87BC7Xc026098; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:12:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87BC5Od026084 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:12:05 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87BC5Nf026083 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:12:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87BC1pv026062 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:12:02 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87BC1IQ026061 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:12:01 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87BC1O9026053 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:12:01 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4dtI-000Pxb-NJ for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:12:01 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C4dtI-000CzY-7w for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:12:00 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86isaq4bcq.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86oeki2vlo.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:12:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86oeki2vlo.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:59:15 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: new messages at startup in debian 21.4.15 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: > I see, strange thing is that this happened *after* a debian upgrade! > This is a lisp problem, I presume? Which are the pkg in questions? > Maybe I just upgrade them myself! xlib and xwem. The currently released versions should not show this behaviour. There are no pre-released versions of these packages right now. norbert. 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I'm a maintainer of Debian package of xemacs21. From: Steve Youngs Subject: Re: new messages at startup in debian 21.4.15 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:49:18 +1000 > * Uwe Brauer writes: > > > After upgrading my debian sid distribution, XEmacs 21.4.15 now starts > > up with the messages: > > > Loading xlib-math... > > Loading xlib-math...done > > Loading xwem-compat... > > Loading xwem-compat...done > > Long since fixed. But possibly the fixed versions are still in > pre-release. Not sure. In Debian, this is fixed at xemacs21-basesupport 2004.08.18-1. But not uploaded yet. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: XEmacs Packages have been pre-released 2004-09-07-13 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey there everyone. I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/calc/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-07 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.26 released. 2004-09-07 Steve Youngs * calc.el (calc): New custom group (calc-settings-file): Defcustom it and default to ~/.calc.el. (calc-mode): Only load `calc-settings-file' if it exists. * calc-mode.el (calc-settings-file-name): Default to using ~/.calc.el. This prevents a "stringp nil" error if ~/.emacs didn't exist, and also stops unnecessary double loading of `user-init-file'. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. Footnotes: [1] Note: Mule packages should be installed into: /usr/local/lib/xemacs/mule-packages/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBPaEggu3ywdHdhM0RAoRiAKCOO4vK+9JOZF84kXpszjlkuRAZWACfeiC2 GXIQPCF7SbLCiALML8MPXSQ= =92MP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 08:34:59 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CYmRw015284; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:53 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CYkgw015271 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87CYkYc015270 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:46 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CYh2o015254 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:43 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87CYg00015252 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:42 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CYgGO015244 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:34:42 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4fAw-0006bM-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:34:18 +0200 Received: from lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.10.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:34:18 +0200 Received: from Reiner.Steib by lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:34:18 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:34:07 +0200 Organization: Dept. of Theoretical Physics, University of Ulm Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de X-Face: 1; h7XMU[7l}$T@J.D}5z*w8Tg'}B5ArAWc8>2X~otB; kOjKs8X%|hTC#dG:%Vpx")x7S/`v :VXU#fZW$X$zdhEU.RfVQ@<-m9IuN{Hm"fW{,5]6kR'M*vEs+{5Cj!L(JTRzA$(},?5J=sm; %Od List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Tue, Sep 07 2004, Uwe Brauer wrote: > Ok, ok, but how shall I use it for the variable in question? That is > what shall I do with > > (defcustom TeX-macro-global ' > > Is what Stephen said correct? Stephen surely is right that configure's way of finding the value is based on kpsewhich (unless you specify "--with-tex-input-dirs=DIRS"). If you follow Stephen's suggestion, you (or someone else) will have to implement the lines I cited in Lisp (using `call-process' or similar). Of course it is possible, but it probably won't look nice. Also it will fail on TeX distributions that are not based on the Kpathsea library (MikTeX?). Maybe it is enough to use '("/usr/local/lib/texmf/tex/") (as it was in the Sumo version of 11.13) and tell the admin/user to set it to a more appropriate value. If the value is not correct (i.e. if the TeX directories are missing) _and_ Kpathsea is not available or disabled (see the variable `TeX-kpathsea-path-delimiter') the user will not get the nice completion when using some commands (see below), but AUCTeX will basically work nevertheless. Some examples where `TeX-macro-global' is used: (1) File name completion (if Kpathsea is not available or disabled): C-c C-m \input RET TAB C-c C-m \usepackage RET TAB C-c C-m \includegraphics RET RET TAB AFAICS, the availability of Kpathsea is detected automatically. If Kpathsea is available, `TeX-macro-global' isn't used. But I didn't check it carefully, so there might be other AUCTeX functions that rely on `TeX-macro-global'. (2) M-x TeX-auto-generate-global RET won't find the LaTeX files and thus the resulting files (in auto/) are incomplete. > I can comment out this variable? No, I don't think this is okay. The variable would be undefined in this case. Better set it to some more or less reasonable default such as '("/usr/local/lib/texmf/tex/"). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 08:39:41 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CdPif017086; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:39:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CdFEB016987 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:39:24 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87CdFMR016986 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:39:15 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Cd1vU016850 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:39:12 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Cd15T016849 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:39:01 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87CcqgR016759 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:39:01 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id 9C384328002; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:38:51 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16701.43995.536413.391312@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:38:51 +0100 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org In-Reply-To: <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: Propaganda ID Sergeyev tekka Macintosh Firewalls guest Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an seachtú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: > > Aidan> I'm, at least initially, not going to do that, because I > Aidan> don't have the energy to hunt down all the calls to > Aidan> INC_IBYTEPTR(ptr) and change them to INC_IBYTEPTR_FMT(ptr, > Aidan> format), where format is taken from the associated buffer, > Aidan> or the associated string. > > There's a script to do the global substitution, `gr', in the CVS > module xemacs-builds/ben. That won't eliminate the drudgery of working out where to take the format from, that is, whether the Ibyte * has an associated buffer object or an associated string. But, cool. I've tended to use find + sed in the past to do global replaces, and it's nice to see something more featureful. -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Mark unused parameters X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I am still working with a few parser deficiencies in Uno, but we're getting close to being able to do some really cool stuff with it. One thing I would like to do is reduce the volume of output from Uno when it is run in "picky" mode. About half of its output consists of complaints about unused parameters. I can make these go away quite easily, but it involves marking every unused parameter. I can simultaneously throw in __attribute__ ((unused)) for GCC builds, wrapping both uses in a macro that expands appropriately. The result looks something like this: int my_silly_function (void *some_obj, void * UNUSED(arg)) { ... } I have to put the UNUSED around the parameter name, rather than the entire declaration, because making Uno shut up requires prepending the string "unused_" to the name. I have done this in my own workspace for the source files that are actually involved in my builds. It should not take long to do the rest. Would the other developers object to putting this into CVS? We could also turn on -Wunused-parameter, and maybe -Wunused-variable, for GCC builds. 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Is the xemacs-news gateway still broken? -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 11:14:53 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87FEqfh031884; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87FEo06031865 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:50 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87FEoD5031864 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87FEk7s031846 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:46 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87FEkKw031845 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:46 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87FEkL6031838 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:14:46 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id 07AF4328002; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:14:45 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16701.53348.926419.572607@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:14:44 +0100 To: XEmacs Beta In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: MEII NSES Parvus DES SDI Mace Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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I have done some > scouting around for a replacement. You can use the Freie Universität Berlin's NNTP server, if you don't mind the lag, and [ta you have to egist ... fuÑk. when's that lstream patch going in?:-)] the necessity of registering and authenticating. http://news.individual.net/ . -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 12:53:28 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87GrJYw022798; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:53:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87GrIwR022787 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:53:18 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87GrIwx022786 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:53:18 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87GrEFt022769 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:53:14 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87GrEvU022768 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:53:14 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87GrDNk022753 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:53:14 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4jDU-000152-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:53:12 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:53:12 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:53:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:53:10 +0200 Lines: 63 Message-ID: <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eNHdE7ILaYaDE5q8RgXFnI8xzSs= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: Reiner> On Tue, Sep 07 2004, Uwe Brauer wrote: Reiner> Stephen surely is right that configure's way of finding Reiner> the value is based on kpsewhich (unless you specify Reiner> "--with-tex-input-dirs=DIRS"). If you follow Stephen's Reiner> suggestion, you (or someone else) will have to implement Reiner> the lines I cited in Lisp (using `call-process' or Reiner> similar). Of course it is possible, but it probably won't Reiner> look nice. Also it will fail on TeX distributions that Reiner> are not based on the Kpathsea library (MikTeX?). Oops this looks really bad. First of all the idea would be to have so have something like this (defcustom TeX-macro-global (new-function-for-locating-the-texfiles) "Directories containing the sites TeX macro files and style files. The directory names *must* end with a slash." :group 'TeX-file :type '(repeat (directory :format "%v"))) Where (new-function-for-locating-the-texfiles) is the lisp implementation of your configure file, using say the shell-command and similar things. If this is correct wouldn't then this function be called every time a tex file is opened? The most sever problem in my eyes is that it would not work in MS and most likely in MacInstosh (not sure about the new X system) Reiner> Maybe it is enough to use '("/usr/local/lib/texmf/tex/") Reiner> (as it was in the Sumo version of 11.13) and tell the it was set to this and in 11.14 because I just did not realize its setting. The setting for sure is wrong in Debian and Suse <= 7.2 where it has to be '("/usr/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/") I don't know about Redhat and Manrake, or any other Unix. Reiner> admin/user to set it to a more appropriate value. What about the following proposal: I set the variable to nil. I had some code lines to (defun tex-mode and (TeX-defun latex-mode such that if this variable is nil a message appears: please read the documentation of the variable TeX-macro-global. The message would appear in the minibuffer, one could think of having a full screen message instead, but I don't know how to do this and it might look to violent! If you agree may be this solution should be included in the original auctex code. Any comments? Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 14:00:31 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87I0Mf7005925; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:00:23 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87HqFUc003903 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:52:15 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87HqFWT003902 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:52:15 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87HqBfe003871 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:52:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87HqBZY003870 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:52:11 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87HqA2Y003860 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:52:11 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4k8Y-0006G3-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:52:10 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:52:10 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:52:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:52:02 +0200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:m/RfLNr5/Zc40LFrwTF0K5Z0XYM= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Does anybody know how to contact him, or could answer me whether it is possible to delete specific messages on a pop3 server. This for example is possible with Mozilla. Thanks Uwe Brauer From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 14:36:43 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IabMT015878; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:36:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IaZtQ015869 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:36:35 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87IaZeS015868 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:36:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IaWfw015848 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:36:32 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87IaSbF015820 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:36:28 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IaRG4015808 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4kpO-0002sV-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:36:26 +0200 Received: from lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de ([134.60.10.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:36:26 +0200 Received: from Reiner.Steib by lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:36:26 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:36:12 +0200 Organization: Dept. of Theoretical Physics, University of Ulm Lines: 86 Message-ID: References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de X-Face: 3Phac&+dw=IZHjhua]bp}LH<*p{qzj8u+ The directory names *must* end with a slash." >:group 'TeX-file >:type '(repeat (directory :format "%v"))) > > Where (new-function-for-locating-the-texfiles) is the lisp > implementation of your configure file, using say the shell-command and > similar things. If this is correct wouldn't then this function be > called every time a tex file is opened? No. First, the value from the defcustom declaration is evaluated only if the variable is not bound yet. Second, `tex-site.el' is only loaded once, because of (provide 'tex-site) (unless a use does something silly like (load "tex-site") instead of (require 'tex-site). > it was set to this and in 11.14 because I just did not realize its > setting. The setting for sure is wrong in Debian and Suse <= 7.2 > where it has to be '("/usr/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/") > I don't know about Redhat and Manrake, or any other Unix. Something like the above or... '("/var/lib/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/" "/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/local/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/") ... might be a sane default. > What about the following proposal: > > I set the variable to nil. I had some code lines to > (defun tex-mode > and > (TeX-defun latex-mode > such that if this variable is nil > a message appears: > please read the documentation of the variable TeX-macro-global. > > The message would appear in the minibuffer, one could think of having > a full screen message instead, but I don't know how to do this and it > might look to violent! > > If you agree may be this solution should be included in the original > auctex code. > > Any comments? With... (eval-after-load "tex" '(unless TeX-macro-global (message "`TeX-macro-global' is not set.") (sit-for 3))) ... in `tex-site.el' the message would be displayed once a TeX file is opened. This should be sufficient. Or: (eval-after-load "tex" '(unless TeX-macro-global (if (y-or-n-p "`TeX-macro-global' is not set. Continue anyway? ") (setq TeX-macro-global '("/var/lib/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/" "/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/local/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/")) (error "Bla bla ...")))) BTW, what is the policy in XEmacs: Should the admin set `TeX-macro-global' in `tex-site.el' or in some other file (e.g. `site-start.el')? Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 14:40:40 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Iedfr017228; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:40:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Iea2L017198 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:40:36 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Ieabv017197 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:40:36 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IeXhD017169 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:40:33 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87IeXkc017168 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:40:33 -0400 Received: from n068.sc1.cp.net (h14.rdg.cp.net [209.228.29.64]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IeVXU017134 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:40:32 -0400 Received: from cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk (62.252.68.168) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 412E4F82000C5A60; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:40:25 +0000 Received: (from glynn@localhost) by cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87Icpx00793; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:38:51 +0100 From: Glynn Clements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2D50aFR0Ao" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16702.58.735799.597561@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:38:50 +0100 To: Uwe Brauer In-Reply-To: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of glynn.clements@virgin.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: andy piper and pop3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --2D50aFR0Ao Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body and .signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uwe Brauer wrote: > I would like to contact Andy Piper the maintainer of the pop3 package, > however his address is no longer valid. > > Does anybody know how to contact him, or could answer me whether it is > possible to delete specific messages on a pop3 server. This for > example is possible with Mozilla. I didn't even know about the existence of that package until you mentioned it. If I did, I probably wouldn't have written my own elisp POP3 client (which I have attached). The attached package definitely *does* have the ability to delete specific messages; that's it's sole purpose (i.e. deleting viruses and spam without having to download them). -- Glynn Clements --2D50aFR0Ao Content-Type: text/plain Content-Description: popfix.el Content-Disposition: inline; filename="popfix.el" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (provide 'popfix) (defconst pop-host "pop.virgin.net") (defconst pop-user "glynn.clements") (defconst pop-pass "c021454512") (defconst pop-lines 10) ;(defconst pop-host "localhost") ;(defconst pop-user "glynn") ;(defconst pop-pass "ekm778c") (defvar pop-list nil) (defvar pop-point nil) (defvar pop-summary-keymap (let ((keymap (make-sparse-keymap "pop-summary-keymap"))) (define-key keymap ?n 'next-line) (define-key keymap ?d 'pop-item-set-deleted) (define-key keymap ?u 'pop-item-clear-deleted) (define-key keymap 'space 'pop-item-toggle-deleted-key) (define-key keymap 'button2 'pop-item-toggle-deleted-mouse) (define-key keymap ?q 'pop-summary-kill) (define-key keymap ?x 'pop-summary-perform-deletions) (define-key keymap 'return 'pop-item-view-message) keymap)) (defvar pop-view-keymap (let ((keymap (make-sparse-keymap "pop-view-keymap"))) (define-key keymap ?q 'pop-view-kill) (define-key keymap ?x 'pop-summary-perform-deletions) (define-key keymap 'return 'pop-item-view-message) keymap)) (defun pop-message (fmt &rest args) (apply 'message fmt args) (sit-for 0)) (defun pop-send (proc cmd) (goto-char (point-max)) (let ((str (concat cmd "\r\n"))) (insert-before-markers str) (setq pop-point (point)) (process-send-string proc str))) (defun pop-get-line (process) (let ((case-fold-search nil)) (goto-char pop-point) (while (not (search-forward "\r\n" nil t)) (accept-process-output process) (goto-char pop-point)) (goto-char pop-point) (setq pop-point (match-end 0)) (buffer-substring (point) (match-beginning 0)))) (defun pop-get-response (process) (let ((line (pop-get-line process))) (if (string-match "^\\+OK" line) line (throw 'error nil)))) (defun pop-get-lines (process) (let ((list nil)) (block 'loop (while t (let ((line (pop-get-line process))) (if (string-match "^\\." line) (return-from 'loop) (push line list))))) (reverse list))) (defun pop-parse-list-entry (line) (and (string-match "^\\([0-9]+\\) +\\([0-9]+\\)$" line) (let ((id (string-to-int (match-string 1 line))) (len (string-to-int (match-string 2 line)))) (list id len)))) (defun pop-get-top (proc entry count) (let ((id (nth 0 entry)) (len (nth 1 entry)) (lines nil)) (pop-message "Retrieving headers for message %d" id) (pop-send proc (format "TOP %d %d" id count)) (pop-get-response proc) (setq lines (pop-get-lines proc)) (list id len lines))) (defun pop-get-subject (entry) (let ((case-fold-search t) (id (nth 0 entry)) (len (nth 1 entry)) (lines (nth 2 entry)) (subject nil)) (dolist (line lines) (and (null subject) (string-match "^subject: *\\(.*\\) *$" line) (setq subject (match-string 1 line)))) (list id len subject lines))) (defun pop-do-session (func &rest args) (pop-message "Connecting to %s" pop-host) (let* ((buf (get-buffer-create "*pop*")) (proc (open-network-stream "*pop*" buf pop-host "pop3")) result) (save-excursion (unwind-protect (if (null proc) (throw 'error nil)) (make-variable-buffer-local 'pop-point) (set-process-coding-system proc 'binary 'binary) (set-buffer buf) (buffer-disable-undo buf) (erase-buffer) (setq pop-point (point)) (pop-get-response proc) (pop-message "Logging in as %s" pop-user) (pop-send proc (format "USER %s" pop-user)) (pop-get-response proc) (pop-send proc (format "PASS %s" pop-pass)) (pop-get-response proc) (setq result (apply func proc buf args)) (pop-send proc "QUIT") (pop-get-response proc)) (delete-process proc) (kill-buffer buf)) result)) (defun pop-list-function (proc buf) (let (lines list) (pop-message "Retrieving message list") (pop-send proc "LIST") (pop-get-response proc) (setq lines (pop-get-lines proc)) (setq list (mapcar 'pop-parse-list-entry lines)) (setq list (mapcar (lambda (item) (pop-get-top proc item pop-lines)) list)) list)) (defun pop-get-list () (let ((list (pop-do-session 'pop-list-function))) (setq list (mapcar 'pop-get-subject list)) list)) (defun pop-get-item-at (point) (line-number point)) (defun pop-item-get-deletion-flag (id) (save-excursion (goto-line id) (cond ((looking-at "^.... \\. ") nil) ((looking-at "^.... D ") t) (t nil)))) (defun pop-item-set-deletion-flag (id val) (let ((inhibit-read-only t)) (save-excursion (goto-line id) (when (looking-at "^\\(....\\) \\(.\\) ") (replace-match (format "\\1 %s " (if val "D" "."))))))) (defun pop-item-set-deleted (point) (interactive "d") (pop-item-set-deletion-flag (pop-get-item-at point) t) (forward-line)) (defun pop-item-clear-deleted (point) (interactive "d") (pop-item-set-deletion-flag (pop-get-item-at point) nil) (forward-line)) (defun pop-item-toggle-deleted (point) (let* ((id (pop-get-item-at point)) (val (pop-item-get-deletion-flag id))) (pop-item-set-deletion-flag id (not val)))) (defun pop-item-toggle-deleted-key (point) (interactive "d") (pop-item-toggle-deleted point) (forward-line)) (defun pop-item-toggle-deleted-mouse (event) (interactive "@e") (let ((point (event-point event))) (and point (pop-item-toggle-deleted point)))) (defun pop-summary-kill () (interactive) (kill-buffer nil)) (defun pop-delete-function (proc buf list) (dolist (id list) (pop-send proc (format "DELE %d" id)) (pop-get-response proc))) (defun pop-summary-perform-deletions () (interactive) (let ((count (count-lines-buffer)) (list nil)) (loop for id from 1 to count do (if (pop-item-get-deletion-flag id) (push id list))) (setq list (reverse list)) (pop-do-session 'pop-delete-function list) (pop-summary))) (defun pop-view-kill () (interactive) (kill-buffer nil)) (defun pop-item-view-message (point) (interactive "d") (let* ((id (pop-get-item-at point)) (item (nth (1- id) pop-list)) (lines (nth 3 item)) (buf (get-buffer-create "Message View")) (inhibit-read-only t) (standard-output buf)) (save-excursion (set-buffer buf) (erase-buffer) (dolist (line lines) (princ line) (terpri)) (toggle-read-only 1) (use-local-map pop-view-keymap)) (switch-to-buffer-other-window buf))) (defun pop-summary () (interactive) (let* ((buf (get-buffer-create "Message Summary")) (standard-output buf) (inhibit-read-only t)) (switch-to-buffer buf) (save-excursion (set-buffer buf) (erase-buffer) (make-variable-buffer-local 'pop-list) (setq pop-list (pop-get-list)) (dolist (item pop-list) (let ((id (nth 0 item)) (len (nth 1 item)) (subject (nth 2 item))) (princ (format "%4d . %9d %s\n" id len subject)))) (toggle-read-only 1) (use-local-map pop-summary-keymap)))) --2D50aFR0Ao-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 14:59:58 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Ixqts023051; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:59:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IxoRJ023034 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:59:50 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87IxodE023033 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:59:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Ixlm3023006 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:59:47 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Ixl3k023005 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:59:47 -0400 Received: from brett.sim.ucm.es (brett.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87IxcAG022934 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:59:39 -0400 Received: from brett.sim.ucm.es (brett.sim.ucm.es [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38864124341 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:58:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postal.sim.ucm.es (postal.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.222]) by brett.sim.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5842A1243B5 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:58:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Gilgamesch (sello.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.223]) by ucmail.ucm.es (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30932) with ESMTP id <0I3O0I2R8Q30ED@ucmail.ucm.es> for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:59:24 +0200 From: Uwe Brauer In-reply-to: <16702.58.735799.597561@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> To: Glynn Clements Message-id: <86wtz5rjlf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) References: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <16702.58.735799.597561@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of oub@mat.ucm.es does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: andy piper and pop3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Glynn" == Glynn Clements writes: Glynn> Uwe Brauer wrote: >> I would like to contact Andy Piper the maintainer of the pop3 >> package, however his address is no longer >> valid. >> >> Does anybody know how to contact him, or could answer me >> whether it is possible to delete specific messages on a pop3 >> server. This for example is possible with Mozilla. Glynn> I didn't even know about the existence of that package Glynn> until you mentioned it. If I did, I probably wouldn't have Glynn> written my own elisp POP3 client (which I have attached). Glynn> The attached package definitely *does* have the ability to Glynn> delete specific messages; that's it's sole purpose Glynn> (i.e. deleting viruses and spam without having to download Glynn> them). Glynn> -- Glynn Clements Thanks for this pkg, does your package also allow to leave msg on server as does Andys? I looked into it and did not see any relevant variable. Maybe I could then combine it with Andys code???? Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 15:05:55 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J5oEP025076; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:05:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J5mcC025067 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:05:48 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87J5mgf025066 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:05:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J5j53025045 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:05:45 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87J5jaa025044 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:05:45 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J5i8u025016 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:05:44 -0400 Received: from eagle.xemacs.org (sj-ez-63-96-165-36.bea.com[63.96.165.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004090719053801500s892ae> (Authid: andyatxemacs); Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:05:39 +0000 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040907120514.02d94e78@mail.comcast.net> X-Sender: andyatxemacs@mail.comcast.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:05:37 -0700 To: Uwe Brauer From: Andy Piper In-Reply-To: <86wtz5rjlf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <16702.58.735799.597561@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> <86wtz5rjlf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of andy@xemacs.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: Glynn Clements , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: andy piper and pop3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I'm still getting mail on andy@xemacs.org so not sure why my address i snot considered valid. andy At 11:59 AM 9/7/2004, Uwe Brauer wrote: > >>>>> "Glynn" == Glynn Clements writes: > > Glynn> Uwe Brauer wrote: > > >> I would like to contact Andy Piper the maintainer of the pop3 > >> package, however his address is no longer > >> valid. > >> > >> Does anybody know how to contact him, or could answer me > >> whether it is possible to delete specific messages on a pop3 > >> server. This for example is possible with Mozilla. > > Glynn> I didn't even know about the existence of that package > Glynn> until you mentioned it. If I did, I probably wouldn't have > Glynn> written my own elisp POP3 client (which I have attached). > > Glynn> The attached package definitely *does* have the ability to > Glynn> delete specific messages; that's it's sole purpose > Glynn> (i.e. deleting viruses and spam without having to download > Glynn> them). > > Glynn> -- Glynn Clements > >Thanks for this pkg, does your package also allow to leave msg on >server as does Andys? I looked into it and did not see any relevant >variable. Maybe I could then combine it with Andys code???? > > >Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 15:12:21 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JCGwa027032; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:12:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J8pD2026018 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:08:51 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87J8pSm026017 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:08:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J8mSJ025987 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:08:48 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87J8l6f025984 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:08:47 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87J8lmh025968 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:08:47 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4lKg-0006Zo-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:08:46 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:08:46 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:08:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:08:41 +0200 Lines: 75 Message-ID: <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5eMux/9TQ4glWqrv9KFTMFx2mAY= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: Reiner> On Tue, Sep 07 2004, Uwe Brauer wrote: Reiner> No. First, the value from the defcustom declaration is Reiner> evaluated only if the variable is not bound yet. Second, Reiner> `tex-site.el' is only loaded once, because of (provide Reiner> 'tex-site) (unless a use does something silly like (load Reiner> "tex-site") instead of (require 'tex-site). ok Reiner> Something like the above or... Reiner> '("/var/lib/texmf/tex/" Reiner> "/usr/share/texmf/tex/" "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/" Reiner> "/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/" Reiner> "/usr/local/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/") Reiner> ... might be a sane default. May be, but it leaves out MS Windows and MacInstosh, doesn't it? Reiner> With... Reiner> (eval-after-load "tex" Reiner> '(unless TeX-macro-global Reiner> (message "`TeX-macro-global' is not set.") (sit-for Reiner> 3))) Ok, unless is your friend, I thought of (when (not TeX-macro-global) (message "bla" bla")) which looks ugly. Thanks for this solution! Don't you want to add them to tex-site.el or better tex-site.el.in in case that configure does not find the correct path (I don't know how this is supposed to work in Windows). Reiner> ... in `tex-site.el' the message would be displayed once a Reiner> TeX file is opened. This should be sufficient. Reiner> Or: Reiner> (eval-after-load "tex" Reiner> '(unless TeX-macro-global Reiner> (if (y-or-n-p "`TeX-macro-global' is not set. Reiner> Continue anyway? ") Reiner> (setq TeX-macro-global Reiner> '("/var/lib/texmf/tex/" Reiner> "/usr/share/texmf/tex/" Reiner> "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/" Reiner> "/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/" Reiner> "/usr/local/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/")) Reiner> (error "Bla bla ...")))) Again you leave Windows out. Reiner> BTW, what is the policy in XEmacs: Should the admin set Reiner> `TeX-macro-global' in `tex-site.el' or in some other file Reiner> (e.g. `site-start.el')? I presume in tex-site.el. Uwe PS if nobody objects I might add Rainers lines above to tex-site.el and commit tomorrow. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 15:19:51 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JJgVc030108; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:19:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JJelu030088 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:19:40 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JJehl030086 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:19:40 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JJaCc030053 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:19:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JJaAD030050 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:19:36 -0400 Received: from n082.sc1.cp.net (h36.rdg.cp.net [209.228.29.85]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JJZ9H030006 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:19:36 -0400 Received: from cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk (62.252.68.168) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 412E3FDB000B7C8D; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:19:26 +0000 Received: (from glynn@localhost) by cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i87JHtl00926; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:17:55 +0100 From: Glynn Clements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16702.2403.191695.201159@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:17:55 +0100 To: Uwe Brauer In-Reply-To: <86wtz5rjlf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <16702.58.735799.597561@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> <86wtz5rjlf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of glynn.clements@virgin.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: andy piper and pop3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer wrote: > Glynn> The attached package definitely *does* have the ability to > Glynn> delete specific messages; that's it's sole purpose > Glynn> (i.e. deleting viruses and spam without having to download > Glynn> them). > Thanks for this pkg, does your package also allow to leave msg on > server as does Andys? I looked into it and did not see any relevant > variable. Maybe I could then combine it with Andys code???? The package is essentially a bare-bones interface to the LIST, TOP and DELE commands. "M-x pop-summary" connects to the server, sends a LIST command, sends a TOP command for each message, then QUITs. It displays a list of the message sizes and Subject: headers. In the list view, individual messages can be flagged for deletion with d (mark), u (unmark) and space (toggle). Return displays the headers and initial portion of the message. Pressing x will cause it to connect and delete any messages which were marked for deletion (this is the only action which will cause anything to be deleted). That's all it does; I use fetchmail to actually download email. I just wanted a way to delete messages which I didn't want to download (e.g. due to size). The package is very much a case of "scratching an itch". -- Glynn Clements From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 15:27:54 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JRqVm000389; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:27:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JPvcH032278 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:25:57 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JPvmk032277 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:25:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JPrio032238 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:25:53 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JPr7d032237 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:25:53 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JPqIX032227 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:25:53 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4lbE-0000Ay-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:25:52 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:25:52 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:25:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:25:47 +0200 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <86llfl6fus.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5z61VuywqzE+8kJKDbSYoC4i5rY= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: andy piper and pop3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: I just received a message from Andy, which I cannot see on this list. Andy do you want me to send you the error report to another address, since I obviously cannot send you to andy@xemacs.org? Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 15:32:40 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JWcZl002007; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:32:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JWav4001989 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:32:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JWaSD001988 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:32:36 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JWX6L001962 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:32:33 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JWXuZ001960 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:32:33 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JWWDb001947 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:32:33 -0400 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4lhg-0000tI-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:32:32 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:32:31 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:32:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:27:29 +0200 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <86d60x6fry.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86k6v6rmpp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <16702.58.735799.597561@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> <86wtz5rjlf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <16702.2403.191695.201159@cerise.nosuchdomain.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AzhcS6rXz4zGDFoZ/sxb9iM16RE= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: andy piper and pop3 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Glynn" == Glynn Clements writes: Glynn> The package is essentially a bare-bones interface to the Glynn> LIST, TOP and DELE commands. "M-x pop-summary" connects to Glynn> the server, sends a LIST command, sends a TOP command for Glynn> each message, then QUITs. It displays a list of the message Glynn> sizes and Subject: headers. Glynn> That's all it does; I use fetchmail to actually download Glynn> email. I just wanted a way to delete messages which I Glynn> didn't want to download (e.g. due to size). The package is Glynn> very much a case of "scratching an itch". Great this sounds as I could combine it with Andys package. Thanks Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 15:49:22 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JnCKn007583; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87JnBCV007566 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:11 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87JnB8i007563 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:11 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Jn7gS007546 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:07 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Jn75e007545 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:07 -0400 Received: from mail-new.rz.uni-ulm.de (mail-new.rz.uni-ulm.de [134.60.1.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Jn1KF007504 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:49:02 -0400 Received: from lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de (lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.173]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i87JmvFi002061; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:48:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: by lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix, from userid 170) id B39E618174; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:48:56 +0200 (CEST) To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, AUCTeX list References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, AUCTeX list X-Face: :6KQZ[nyoS_edmB.%gw-=)BYth^|2+Y+^cu%I$FSx!&>-'om>3H7A|M&n(V7fIo3P.; yo.b yq4$p; ZaBtkv)\}biaiBQe"mD}iib1AA@99-fZ7i*bLhNRVC&0Wkxg9)SH?oWc@{ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:48:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:08:41 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-meer-Metrics: gemini 1086; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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People not reading xemacs-beta may find the rest of the thread here: ] On Tue, Sep 07 2004, Uwe Brauer wrote: >>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: > Don't you want to add them to tex-site.el or better tex-site.el.in > in case that configure does not find the correct path IIRC, configure will complain when it doesn't find the path. Then the user has to specify "--with-tex-input-dirs=DIRS". I don't think that including such a fallback in the standard AUCTeX distribution makes sense. > (I don't know how this is supposed to work in Windows). AFAIK, configure also works fine for windows. Or at least for MikTeX, see . > Reiner> (eval-after-load "tex" > Reiner> '(unless TeX-macro-global > Reiner> (if (y-or-n-p "`TeX-macro-global' is not set. > Reiner> Continue anyway? ") > Reiner> (setq TeX-macro-global > Reiner> '("/var/lib/texmf/tex/" > Reiner> "/usr/share/texmf/tex/" > Reiner> "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/" > Reiner> "/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/" > Reiner> "/usr/local/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/")) > Reiner> (error "Bla bla ...")))) > >> Again you leave Windows out. If you want good defaults for all systems, you would probably need something like configure. As it is just a fallback if the admin/user didn't set `TeX-macro-global', I think it is okay. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 16:58:11 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Kw6ds028900; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:58:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Kw4wW028887 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:58:04 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Kw4cA028886 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:58:04 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Kw0FL028858 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:58:00 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Kw0ok028857 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:58:00 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87KvxBe028827; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i87KvlLJ025985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:57:47 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Kvk1U016325; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:57:46 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Kvk5c016324; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:57:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" References: <87ekll82ab.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:57:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ekll82ab.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:04 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Turnbull" wrote: >>>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: > > SY> What do you think about moving itimer.el out of core and into > SY> xemacs-base and then just add your new functions/macros to > SY> itimer.el? > > Non-trivial. itimer is dumped. This is one of the downsides of having separate package and in-core Lisp; once you've decided what goes in each place, it is nearly impossible to move anything across that boundary without either breaking older installations or having version-specific packages. (The latter will be necessary anyway if anybody ever changes the byte code engine, by the way.) I'll send a concrete proposal to xemacs-patches in a few minutes. Basically, I took everything from timer.el that does not depend directly on timer objects and put it in a new file, which I called timer-funcs.el (better names welcome). That file needs to go somewhere other than fsf-compat; I suggest xemacs-base. Since the functions it provides have been in packages all along, they need to stay there. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 7 17:56:16 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87LuDGv013083; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:56:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87LuBF8013071 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:56:11 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87LuBU6013069 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:56:11 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Lu7GH013046 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:56:07 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87Lu7Yl013045 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:56:07 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87Lu7xM013027; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:56:07 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i87LtuWF031602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:55:56 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i87LtuuY016504; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:55:56 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i87LtubD016503; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:55:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: XEmacs Beta From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:55:56 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: Ben Wing Subject: callproc.c empty X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Does anyone know why we have an empty file src/callproc.c in CVS? The last ChangeLog entry for it is from Ben Wing, over 2 years ago, stating that it had been deleted. Should that file be cvs removed? -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 00:25:27 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884P5bA014681; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:25:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884P39n014191 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:25:03 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i884P3Br014189 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:25:03 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884Oxaa013818 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:24:59 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i884Oxm5013815 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:24:59 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884OvaL013801 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:24:58 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4u0p-0002g2-00; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:24:51 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16701.35606.12316.764398@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:24:50 +0900 In-Reply-To: <16701.35606.12316.764398@ns5.nestdesign.com> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:19:02 +0100") Message-ID: <87zn41wfot.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Moving to Unicode internally. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: Aidan> The thing is, that something like directly dereferencing a Aidan> pointer to an Ibyte now becomes invalid--because within Aidan> this new environment, the number of octets taken up by an Aidan> individual Ichar component in an Ibyte array can vary at Aidan> runtime. (Yes, the runtime variance is not something I'm Aidan> going to implement right now; but architecting it like Aidan> we'll get round to it, does neatly side-step the issue of Aidan> whether to conditionalise the Ibyte typedef, as, in an Aidan> environment where octets are one of the possible formats, Aidan> it needs to be the smallest addressable unit of memory. So, Aidan> a byte, or void.) Yuck. Can you spell "\201 bug"? Aidan> And directly dereferencing a pointer to an Ibyte is Aidan> something that's done quite often--mainly to compare it Aidan> against ASCII characters-as is adding an octet length to an Aidan> Ibyte pointer and INC_IBYTEPTRing while the original Aidan> pointer is less than it. We'll have to go through and change those, then. Aidan> But, say, composite characters will need it, if the buffer Aidan> format's UTF-16. No-one seems to care too much about them Aidan> at the moment, admittedly, and we could just say "they're Aidan> only supported with UTF-8 or UTF-32 as our internal Aidan> format." I don't understand why one wants a composing mechanism other than Unicode's. UTF-16 really is a horrible format, anyway; I wouldn't mind if we just restrict it to the BMP. That is going to be sufficient for all live languages I know of (modulo running XEmacs on a platform which doesn't suck up the entire private area in the BMP, so we have some place to put alphabets and syllabaries on an as-needed basis for _monolingual_ usage). Aidan> And possible something like lazy loading of Unicode maping Aidan> tables? Ah, nice catch! I don't think we do that yet, and we should think about it. Note that I'm pretty sure that the reason that we don't is that Unicode to tables is one-to-many. There are real design dragons there. Eg, should table loading depend on language environment (so if you have an Asian ideograph, you only load the KSC table even though the character exists in the JIS, Big5, and CNS tables, too)? And how do you tell which tables are needed without loading them? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 00:28:48 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884SkB5013620; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:28:47 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884SjOW013230 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:28:45 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i884SjKb013225 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:28:45 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884Sfgm012212 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:28:41 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i884SfZY012196 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:28:41 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i884SeIh011933 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:28:41 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C4u4U-0002gZ-00 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:28:38 +0900 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:28:38 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Reiner Steib's message of "Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:36:12 +0200") Message-ID: <87vfepwfih.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: Reiner> BTW, what is the policy in XEmacs: Should the admin set Reiner> `TeX-macro-global' in `tex-site.el' or in some other file Reiner> (e.g. `site-start.el')? Good question; we don't have a policy on that. I would favor local settings being done in site-start.el or default.el off the top of my head. Norbert and Steve Y are probably the people who would have the best informed opinions on this. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 11:37:53 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FbjrW028221; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:37:50 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FUeFS025914 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:30:40 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88FUeNg025904 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:30:40 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FUaqr025882 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:30:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88FUacA025881 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:30:36 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FUZL3025869 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:30:36 -0400 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C54P2-0003PE-00 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:30:34 +0200 Received: from 84e5e603.math.leidenuniv.nl ([132.229.230.3]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:30:32 +0200 Received: from frasson by 84e5e603.math.leidenuniv.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:30:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Miguel Frasson Date: 08 Sep 2004 16:13:11 +0200 Lines: 39 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 84e5e603.math.leidenuniv.nl User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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A step is to understand how it works. Suppose I define a simple toolbar, like in the following code. I don't undestand why the bottom toolbar does not appear... ;; buttons stolen from `default' default-toolbar (set-specifier bottom-toolbar '([toolbar-file-icon toolbar-open t "Open a file"] [toolbar-folder-icon toolbar-dired t "Edit a directory"]) (current-buffer)) (set-specifier bottom-toolbar-visible-p t (current-buffer)) Althoug I see the default toolbar, if I eval (specifier-specs default-toolbar-height) --> nil meaning (if I understand) a non specified value. I run the same for the bottom-toolbar: (specifier-specs bottom-toolbar-height) --> nil However, if I specify a number, it works... (set-specifier bottom-toolbar-height 50 (current-buffer)) Since I don't know beforehand the height of icons, I don't like to set bottom-toolbar-height, leaving to XEmacs to decide the correct height. How could this be done? Thanks. 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I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/xemacs-base/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-08 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.88 released. 2004-08-30 Jerry James * field.el: New file. * Makefile (ELCS): Add field.elc. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. 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Turnbull : > Aidan> The thing is, that something like directly dereferencing a > Aidan> pointer to an Ibyte now becomes invalid > > Yuck. Can you spell "\201 bug"? C-q 2 0 1 SPC b u g ? Not sure I get you. :-) Ah, though, on further reading, you're saying that people shouldn't be directly dereferencing pointers to Ibytes anyway. > Aidan> And directly dereferencing a pointer to an Ibyte is > Aidan> something that's done quite often--mainly to compare it > Aidan> against ASCII characters-as is adding an octet length to an > Aidan> Ibyte pointer and INC_IBYTEPTRing while the original > Aidan> pointer is less than it. > > We'll have to go through and change those, then. Yeah. But what to do with things like qxesprintf and qxestrcasecmp arises, then. I've a gut feeling they should be moved to taking Extbyte * arguments, and then the need for a TO_INTERNAL_FORMAT() becomes more apparent, but perhaps it would make more sense to redefine them to take char *s, to make it more explicit that you're dealin with C and that passing your data up to Lisp Will Break. > Aidan> But, say, composite characters will need it, if the buffer > Aidan> format's UTF-16. No-one seems to care too much about them > Aidan> at the moment, admittedly, and we could just say "they're > Aidan> only supported with UTF-8 or UTF-32 as our internal > Aidan> format." > > I don't understand why one wants a composing mechanism other than > Unicode's. Well, even to implement Unicode's composing mechanism on current platforms, we need to use more codes, unless we're to compose the characters from first principles at redisplay every time. What composite support there is involves composing a character once per session, and referencing the composed character in a table of them, based on the numeric value of the Ichar. > UTF-16 really is a horrible format, anyway; I wouldn't mind if we just > restrict it to the BMP. Ahh, _I_ really don't want to do that, though. I think Unicode is cool, and I think that one aspect of that coolness is that someone who's never heard of XEmacs before can go and write an OpenType font that includes glyphs for Gothic and Byzantine musical symbols--and anyone likely to do that probably cares inordinately about Gothic and Byzantine musical symbols--and they can use XEmacs with the work they've done, when they come across it. If they have to twiddle a knob to tell the editor to use UTF-8 or UTF-32, well, that's just one more thing to go wrong. > Aidan> And possible something like lazy loading of Unicode maping > Aidan> tables? > > Ah, nice catch! I don't think we do that yet, and we should think > about it. > Note that I'm pretty sure that the reason that we don't is that > Unicode to tables is one-to-many. There are real design dragons > there. Eg, should table loading depend on language environment (so if > you have an Asian ideograph, you only load the KSC table even though > the character exists in the JIS, Big5, and CNS tables, too)? And how > do you tell which tables are needed without loading them? For Western scripts, I think the best place to put something like that is the first time the corresponding coding system is referenced. So (find-coding-system 'windows-1252), if it's the first time in a session that's been done, should load the tables for that character set. (Oh, and I think we should have a windows-1252 coding system, btw. And define-coding-system-alias it to cp1252 for FSF compatibility :-) For the East Asian iso-2022-based East Asian charsets, the first time the escape for a given national standard is seen within a coding system? Or maybe it would be a better idea to separate out the various iso-2022-based coding systems more explicitly, but still keep compatibility with the old unifying iso-2022-based character sets; so, iso-2022-jp is a coding system that, when referenced for the first time within a session, loads up the mapping tables for the jisx0201 Kana national standard and the various Kanji national standards, and pure iso-2022 warns (or errors) if a language environment hasn't been set and an ambiguous Unicode character has to be written to disk. But, in a situation where, say, you've Korean text with some cited text in Kana, we still want to pick up the jisx0201 mapping table there for those kana, but use the Korean standards for any Han that's seen. So there will be a need for an ordering of the list of mappings that are available, in the case where you have an alternative Unicode like iso-2022 :-) . So, ordered, preferred, coding systems based on language environment, and ordered mapping tables based on the same thing. Ugh. But that should be a special case for ISO 2022, shouldn't it? (Yes, monolingual usage is more important than multilingual usage; but I believe multilingual usage should be no harder than it has to be, and doing that involves thinking about multilingual usage up front. ) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 11:49:04 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fn3OY031700; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:49:03 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fn0b5031661 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:49:00 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88Fn05U031660 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:49:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fmud7031641 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:48:56 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88Fmugo031638 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:48:56 -0400 Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fml3o031570 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:48:51 -0400 Received: from don (don.biostat.mcw.edu [141.106.120.97]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i88Fml412784 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:48:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200409081548.i88Fml412784@post.its.mcw.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:48:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Rodney Sparapani To: XEmacs Beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: Dl2MX71/fbM1XYizXMkxUw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] mail-aliases handled incorrectly on Solaris X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rodney Sparapani List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Dear Bug Team! mail-aliases are set from the ~/.mailrc file. However, on Solaris, this file follows a slightly different format apparently. I get the error message: mail alias loop detected: troy <- troy But, the Troy alias works fine with Sun's dtmail: alias troy Troy McGee I guess this could probably be fixed by configure somehow. I can test any proposed fix. Oh, and this is really annoying since it makes M-x report-xemacs-bug fail ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: SunOS buz 5.9 Generic_112233-12 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4 configure '--with-file-coding' '--with-xim=motif' '--with-dialogs=motif' '--with-widgets=motif' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.9'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/local/apps/xemacs/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr/local Runtime library search path: /usr/ccs/lib:/usr/openwin/lib:/usr/local/devel/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.9/3.3.4/../../.. Operating system description file: `s/sol2.h' Machine description file: `m/sparc.h' Compiler: gcc-3.3.4 -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith Compiler version: gcc-3.3.4 (GCC) 3.3.4 Compiler specs file: /usr/local/devel/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.9/3.3.4/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes libc: SUNWcsl 11.9.0,REV=2002.04.06.15.27 Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/openwin/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/openwin/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for Motif. *WARNING* Many versions of Motif are buggy, requiring workarounds. 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BS BS BS e r e SPC C-x k RET button1 button1up BS BS BS ( v e c t o r ) right C-j M-x r e p o r t - x e m a c s - b u g RET Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Type C-c C-c to send the bug report, C-x k to cancel. Leaving electric command loop because buffer has changed. space = page forward; b = page back; h = help; q = quit. Loading ehelp...done Loading ehelp... C-M-g not defined. mail alias loop detected: troy <- troy Parsing /export/home/softadm/.mailrc... Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... Reading directory /export/home/softadm/...done Reading directory /export/home/softadm/... Quit Loading view-less...done Loading view-less... Loading efs-cu...done Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 11:55:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FtD5g000803; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:55:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fr5ss000338 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:53:05 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88Fr5XR000337 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:53:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fr0Vh032762 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:53:00 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88Fr0Bv032761 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:53:00 -0400 Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FqtQ6032732 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:52:55 -0400 Received: from don (don.biostat.mcw.edu [141.106.120.97]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i88Fqs415374 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:52:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200409081552.i88Fqs415374@post.its.mcw.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:52:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Rodney Sparapani To: XEmacs Beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: +a5gfVrLSKDMlbHN1MVoXg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] find-file doesn't run dired from a file buffer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rodney Sparapani List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Dear Bug Team! I have the variable find-file-run-dired set to t, but when I try to open dired with find-file it does nothing if I'm in a file buffer. From *scratch*, or some other buffer not associated with a file, it does open dired. Any ideas? ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: SunOS buz 5.9 Generic_112233-12 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4 configure '--with-file-coding' '--with-xim=motif' '--with-dialogs=motif' '--with-widgets=motif' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.9'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/local/apps/xemacs/xemacs-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr/local Runtime library search path: /usr/ccs/lib:/usr/openwin/lib:/usr/local/devel/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.9/ 3.3.4/../../.. Operating system description file: `s/sol2.h' Machine description file: `m/sparc.h' Compiler: gcc-3.3.4 -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith Compiler version: gcc-3.3.4 (GCC) 3.3.4 Compiler specs file: /usr/local/devel/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.9/3.3.4/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes libc: SUNWcsl 11.9.0,REV=2002.04.06.15.27 Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/openwin/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/openwin/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for Motif. *WARNING* Many versions of Motif are buggy, requiring workarounds. You are likely to experience slow redisplay. You may need to install vendor patches to Motif. See PROBLEMS for more information. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Using Motif native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Sound: Databases: Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Compiling in support for file coding. Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for ToolTalk. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. 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C-f RET C-x C-f RET misc-user button1 button1up f1 v RET f1 v f i n d - f i l e - r u n - d i r e d RET C-x 1 misc-user C-x C-f RET f1 C-g M-x r e p o r t - x e m a c s - b u g RET Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- f1 C-g not defined. Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Type C-c C-c to send the bug report, C-x k to cancel. Leaving electric command loop because buffer has changed. space = page forward; b = page back; h = help; q = quit. Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Wrong type argument: vectorp, [] Type C-c C-c to send the bug report, C-x k to cancel. Leaving electric command loop because buffer has changed. space = page forward; b = page back; h = help; q = quit. Loading ehelp...done Loading ehelp... C-M-g not defined. mail alias loop detected: troy <- troy Parsing /export/home/softadm/.mailrc... Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 12:00:12 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G0Aem002158; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:00:11 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88FvARv001404 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:57:10 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88FvAdT001403 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:57:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fv7C3001391 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:57:07 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88Fv70j001390 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:57:07 -0400 Received: from syl.extundo.com (syl.extundo.com [212.32.189.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Fv39d001377 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:57:07 -0400 Received: from eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]) by syl.extundo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i88DEXta017899 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:14:33 +0200 Received: from iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de (iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de [134.96.72.13]) by eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i88CmejO2119438; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:40 +0200 (CST) Received: from [134.96.72.190] (helo=neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de) by iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de with esmtp (Exim 4.33; FreeBSD) id 1C51sH-000Krv-9c; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:48:33 +0200 Received: from angeli by neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C51tZ-0001ve-TB; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:49:53 +0200 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86brghdo0m.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86brghc5b6.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Ralf Angeli Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:49:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86brghc5b6.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:29:17 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-IWi-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IWi-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IWi-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5) X-MailScanner-From: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.1 (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]); Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:48:41 +0200 (CEST) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter 1.0.6; AVE 6.27.0.6; VDF 6.27.0.50 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 212.32.189.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Uwe Brauer (2004-09-08) writes: >>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: > > Ralf> I'd just provide a sane default and drop a note in the > Ralf> installation or configuration instructions (and maybe even > Ralf> in the package description) for variables which should be > Ralf> checked by XEmacs users. This means to step back into the > Ralf> AUCTeX 11.14 era with respect to the affected variables but > Ralf> at least it would not be so annoying. We might use such an > Ralf> approach for _really_ important variables, though. > > Problem is that users _usually_ do not read this information. If users > were about to install some package it can be expected that they read > the installation file or something of this kind. However I doubt that > the same is true for a Xemacs pkg. Sure, but we have all sorts of variables like this (e.g. `TeX-command-list' and `TeX-output-view-style') where we don't ask explicitely for customization. For these variables we strive to detect proper defaults automatically during configuration. If we fail to get those defaults, the user usually recognizes that there is something wrong as soon as the respective functionality is used. I think it is better to keep it this way, than to bother the user with customization if she hasn't asked for it. I don't know how far Lars has come with the customization assistants for Gnus. But an assistant might be a possibility to do manual customization upon request. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 12:09:38 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G9a42004704; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:09:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G8Dlj004350 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:13 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88G8DiK004349 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G8ADf004333 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:10 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88G8ALU004332 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:10 -0400 Received: from syl.extundo.com (syl.extundo.com [212.32.189.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G83ZT004258 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:10 -0400 Received: from eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]) by syl.extundo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i888gkta015738 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:42:46 +0200 Received: from iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de (iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de [134.96.72.13]) by eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i888GtjO2082191; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:16:56 +0200 (CST) Received: from [134.96.72.190] (helo=neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de) by iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de with esmtp (Exim 4.33; FreeBSD) id 1C4xdJ-000Jt6-Ml; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:16:49 +0200 Received: from angeli by neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C4xec-0001Qe-6T; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:18:10 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan-=C5ke?= Larsson References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <20040908080543.GA23540@mai.liu.se> From: Ralf Angeli Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:18:10 +0200 User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-IWi-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IWi-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IWi-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5) X-MailScanner-From: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.1 (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]); Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:16:56 +0200 (CEST) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter 1.0.6; AVE 6.27.0.6; VDF 6.27.0.50 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 212.32.189.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: XEmacs and search paths X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org [Reincluding xemacs-beta. Maybe somebody there has an idea.] * Jan-Åke Larsson (2004-09-08) writes: > Ralf Angeli wrote: >> It is a pity that the lack of support for something like `configure' >> makes users of a packaged AUCTeX in XEmacs third class AUCTeX users. >> And this will become worse the more variables will be included in >> tex-site.el which are determined by `configure'. > > Exactly. A long time ago we were talking about run-time determination > of e.g., paths. Or some automatic (?) customization of search paths > the first time each path is used. > > This is just speculation: The XEmacs packager might give > --enable-make-xemacs-package or whatever which would set things in > tex-site.el to either > > a) call the equivalent of AC_PATH_PROG from within XEmacs at > _package_install_ time, setting the variable in question, globally. > This would need a developer with inside knowledge of the packaging > system. I don't even know if the packaging system allows for this kind > of configuration. > > b) call the equivalent of AC_PATH_PROG from within XEmacs at first > reference of the variable in question and storing the value (via > customize?), locally for the user running XEmacs. > > c) call the equivalent of AC_PATH_PROG from within XEmacs at runtime. > This will be a performance hog, especially so if several programs are > tested for existence, as is the case for, e.g., the dvi viewer. I'd opt for alternative a). It would be very close to the configure mechanism and I hate overhead at runtime. One of the most annoying things in AUCTeX currently is the time you have to wait until `TeX-search-files' finishes after a `C-c C-m usepackage RET RET'. I often find myself avoiding the inclusion mechanism and typing the whole thing by hand. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 12:09:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G9fOw004756; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:09:42 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G8Kcf004386 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:20 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88G8Kch004384 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G8HAG004371 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:17 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88G8HLa004368 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:17 -0400 Received: from syl.extundo.com (syl.extundo.com [212.32.189.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88G83Zd004258 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:08:16 -0400 Received: from mail-new.rz.uni-ulm.de (mail-new.rz.uni-ulm.de [134.60.1.1]) by syl.extundo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i888aIta015679 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:36:21 +0200 Received: from lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de (lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.173]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i888AbHZ017242; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:10:38 +0200 (MEST) Received: from me (lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.173]) by lumberjack.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 795BC18165; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 30074 invoked by uid 170); Wed, 08 Sep 2004 08:10:32 -0000 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, AUCTeX list Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, AUCTeX list References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> X-Face: /U7=m^"/-Dn61mAl{g9e3>\G5Tp,oEX|V)g2I1hBk\ML; )7A?6cmB-y7y?'NA^J<=oz7syB =(McAwIHgLX!.B?R3X}98d@?>CrT094KLWh]WU4gDpnL/")MS(XoQTv`Oq225uL>+; CpPXo$N5e>N> $tPd-gbB^F{gQS#1ase]XO~D4p4M"3+F-7~u]dy3I?Pb8RO*H-EFeWDUf?Rf, d]pv\Jvh2Cht!A=im yKAS2Z%Ao^;}W/qzMvMm Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:10:29 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-RollaNet-Metrics: gemini 1004; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 212.32.189.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Reiner Steib List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Wed, Sep 08 2004, Ralf Angeli wrote: > * Reiner Steib (2004-09-07) writes: >> On Tue, Sep 07 2004, Uwe Brauer wrote: >>> Don't you want to add them to tex-site.el or better tex-site.el.in >>> in case that configure does not find the correct path >> >> IIRC, configure will complain when it doesn't find the path. Then the >> user has to specify "--with-tex-input-dirs=DIRS". I don't think that >> including such a fallback in the standard AUCTeX distribution makes >> sense. > > `configure' will fall back to '("/usr/share/texmf/tex/" > "/usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/") Ah, sure. I should have read the aclocal.m4 code I have cited. ;-) > if it cannot find a path via `kpsewhich'. We could return nil if we > use the y-or-n-p check you proposed. Actually I didn't _propose_ to add this to AUCTeX. It was just a suggestion for the "if all else fails"-case for the XEmacs package. When we merge `preview-latex', we will probably need a valid TeX path for the style files anyhow. So I don't think such a change makes much sense now. >>>> Again you leave Windows out. >> >> If you want good defaults for all systems, you would probably need >> something like configure. As it is just a fallback if the admin/user >> didn't set `TeX-macro-global', I think it is okay. > > It is a pity that the lack of support for something like `configure' > makes users of a packaged AUCTeX in XEmacs third class AUCTeX users. > And this will become worse the more variables will be included in > tex-site.el which are determined by `configure'. Well, upto now, the cases where we really rely on `TeX-macro-global' are rare[1] and don't make the users "third class"[2]. Maybe our Windows users could report if the Kpathsea auto-detection works. I.e. what is the value of `TeX-kpathsea-path-delimiter' after using `C-c C-m \usepackage RET TAB'? Does the completion list[3] look sane? Bye, Reiner. [1] ,----[ ] | If the value is not correct (i.e. if the TeX directories are missing) | _and_ Kpathsea is not available or disabled (see the variable | `TeX-kpathsea-path-delimiter') the user will not get the nice | completion when using some commands (see below), but AUCTeX will | basically work nevertheless. | | Some examples where `TeX-macro-global' is used: | | (1) File name completion (if Kpathsea is not available or disabled): | | C-c C-m \input RET TAB | C-c C-m \usepackage RET TAB | C-c C-m \includegraphics RET RET TAB | | AFAICS, the availability of Kpathsea is detected automatically. | If Kpathsea is available, `TeX-macro-global' isn't used. But I | didn't check it carefully, so there might be other AUCTeX | functions that rely on `TeX-macro-global'. | | (2) M-x TeX-auto-generate-global RET won't find the LaTeX files and thus | the resulting files (in auto/) are incomplete. `---- [2] Some people even prefer a crippled completion for \includegraphics instead of the correct one. SCNR. [3] I'd suggest to add `TeX-delete-dups' here so that the completion list is not cluttered with duplicates. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 12:24:30 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GOS7L008799; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:24:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GIK91007309 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:18:20 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GIKJS007308 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:18:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GIHu0007286 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:18:17 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GIHbw007285 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:18:17 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GIHx9007279 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:18:17 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id D1473328002; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:18:16 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16703.12488.764393.829142@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:18:16 +0100 To: Rodney Sparapani In-Reply-To: <200409081548.i88Fml412784@post.its.mcw.edu> References: <200409081548.i88Fml412784@post.its.mcw.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: bomb R1 AK-47 Aum Trump BOSS Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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However, on Solaris, this > file follows a slightly different format apparently. Nope. Dtmail is broken. Try "mailx troy" to see, hopefully, another error message or, less hopefully, an infinite loop. alias troy "Troy McGee " in your .mailrc should work for all the mail clients out there. > I get the error message: mail alias loop detected: troy <- troy > But, the Troy alias works fine with Sun's dtmail: > alias troy Troy McGee Best regards, - Aidan -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 12:26:49 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GQmnX009795; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GQkLU009785 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GQkAk009784 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:46 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GQhtE009755 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:43 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GQhNw009754 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:43 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GQg8l009728 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:42 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i88GQH2a022468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:26:17 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GQHnx019897; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:26:17 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GQG8F019896; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:26:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Ralf Angeli References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <20040908080543.GA23540@mai.liu.se> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:26:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Ralf Angeli's message of "Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:18:10 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i88GQg8l009728 X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, Jan-Åke Larsson , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: XEmacs and search paths X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ralf Angeli wrote: > * Jan-Åke Larsson (2004-09-08) writes: > >> a) call the equivalent of AC_PATH_PROG from within XEmacs at >> _package_install_ time, setting the variable in question, globally. >> This would need a developer with inside knowledge of the packaging >> system. I don't even know if the packaging system allows for this kind >> of configuration. >> >> b) call the equivalent of AC_PATH_PROG from within XEmacs at first >> reference of the variable in question and storing the value (via >> customize?), locally for the user running XEmacs. >> >> c) call the equivalent of AC_PATH_PROG from within XEmacs at runtime. >> This will be a performance hog, especially so if several programs are >> tested for existence, as is the case for, e.g., the dvi viewer. > > I'd opt for alternative a). It would be very close to the configure > mechanism and I hate overhead at runtime. One of the most annoying > things in AUCTeX currently is the time you have to wait until > `TeX-search-files' finishes after a `C-c C-m usepackage RET RET'. I > often find myself avoiding the inclusion mechanism and typing the > whole thing by hand. As the debate goes on, please remember one thing: the XEmacs architecture-independent files may be shared by many different kinds of computers on a LAN. I've had this situation in the last 2 places I've worked. Each computer has its own copy of the binaries, say in /usr/local/bin, but /usr/local/lib/xemacs contains soft links into an NFS filesystem, say /tools/xemacs. Unfortunately, this makes it impossible to set any of the AUCTeX paths correctly, because each architecture tends to have a different TeX installation, often in different places. This one has tetex, with the style files under /usr/share/texmf. That one has MikTeX. Some other one has some ungodly hybrid cobbled together by the sysadmins, with style files under /usr/local/lib/texmf. They don't all have the same style files, so anything generated by TeX-auto-generate-global is wrong somewhere as are the paths in tex-site.el. Maybe I've been unlucky enough to work at places where the sysadmins are crazy, but we do say that the package stuff is architecture-independent, so the sysadmins feel justified in saving disk space by sharing it across a LAN. In the case of AUCTeX, the information is not really architecture-independent. 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Ralf> [...] >> (eval-after-load "tex" '(unless TeX-macro-global (message >> "`TeX-macro-global' is not set.") (sit-for 3) (message "Do C-h >> v `TeX-macro-global' for further information.") (sit-for 3) >> ; (view-lossage) >> )) Ralf> Now I know what I don't like about this proposal. If one Ralf> follows this approach consequently it will be a major Ralf> annoyance for the user. It should be possible to install Ralf> AUCTeX (more or less without interaction) and start editing Ralf> your documents right away. Ralf> This is ugly. Right, I know. Ralf> I'd just provide a sane default and drop a note in the Ralf> installation or configuration instructions (and maybe even Ralf> in the package description) for variables which should be Ralf> checked by XEmacs users. This means to step back into the Ralf> AUCTeX 11.14 era with respect to the affected variables but Ralf> at least it would not be so annoying. We might use such an Ralf> approach for _really_ important variables, though. Problem is that users _usually_ do not read this information. If users were about to install some package it can be expected that they read the installation file or something of this kind. However I doubt that the same is true for a Xemacs pkg. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello Using cvs add foo I can add a new file to a package, but what about a directory. cvs add var/ did not work. what to do? Thanks Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 12:53:33 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GrONP016491; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:53:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GkhSS014607 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:46:43 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GkhxN014606 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:46:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Gkd4Y014590 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:46:39 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88GkdmI014588 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:46:39 -0400 Received: from syl.extundo.com (syl.extundo.com [212.32.189.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88GhqCP013784 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:46:39 -0400 Received: from eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]) by syl.extundo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i88BqUta017233 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:52:30 +0200 Received: from iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de (iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de [134.96.72.13]) by eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i88BQXjO2107180; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:26:33 +0200 (CST) Received: from [134.96.72.190] (helo=neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de) by iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de with esmtp (Exim 4.33; FreeBSD) id 1C50ap-000KbJ-7a; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:26:27 +0200 Received: from angeli by neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C50c7-0001bw-Ta; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:27:47 +0200 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86llfnws8a.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87fz5uzxf3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86brghdo0m.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Ralf Angeli Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:27:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86brghdo0m.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:59:53 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-IWi-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IWi-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IWi-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5) X-MailScanner-From: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.1 (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]); Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:26:33 +0200 (CEST) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter 1.0.6; AVE 6.27.0.6; VDF 6.27.0.50 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: 212.32.189.101 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Auctex pkg: summary and state of art X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Uwe Brauer (2004-09-08) writes: >>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes: > > > Reiner> Actually I didn't _propose_ to add this to AUCTeX. It was > Reiner> just a suggestion for the "if all else fails"-case for the > Reiner> XEmacs package. > > Right I brought that up. [...] > (eval-after-load "tex" > '(unless TeX-macro-global > (message "`TeX-macro-global' is not set.") > (sit-for 3) > (message "Do C-h v `TeX-macro-global' for further information.") > (sit-for 3) > ; (view-lossage) > )) Now I know what I don't like about this proposal. If one follows this approach consequently it will be a major annoyance for the user. It should be possible to install AUCTeX (more or less without interaction) and start editing your documents right away. With the approach above it will be like "Oh, please customize variable `foo' before you start typing.". Once you've done that and start up AUCTeX next time it might say "Congratulations, you customized variable `foo'. Unfortunately you have to customize variable `bar' as well.' This is ugly. I'd just provide a sane default and drop a note in the installation or configuration instructions (and maybe even in the package description) for variables which should be checked by XEmacs users. This means to step back into the AUCTeX 11.14 era with respect to the affected variables but at least it would not be so annoying. We might use such an approach for _really_ important variables, though. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 13:35:48 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88HZcjl027329; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:35:42 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88HZbqx027309 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:35:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88HZbTW027308 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:35:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88HZXo9027295 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:35:33 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88HZXZK027294 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:35:33 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88HZXhV027258 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:35:33 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i88HZItG029881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:35:18 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88HZIot020009; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:35:18 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88HZI8C020008; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Uwe Brauer References: <86y8jlc90l.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:35:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86y8jlc90l.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:09:14 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: how to add a directory to a package in CVS. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer wrote: > Using cvs add foo > I can add a new file to a package, but what about a directory. > > cvs add var/ > > did not work. > > what to do? Nothing. Just add the files in that directory and the directory itself will be created. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 14:22:02 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88ILrTJ005235; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88ILqsc005228 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88ILq6V005227 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88ILn2A005206 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:49 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88ILnNZ005205 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:49 -0400 Received: from mx1.mcw.edu (mx1.mcw.edu [141.106.32.17]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i88ILhjO005178 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 15237 invoked by uid 1022); 8 Sep 2004 18:21:42 -0000 Received: from softadm@buz.biostat.mcw.edu by mx1 by uid 81 with qmail-scanner-1.21 (clamdscan: 0.70. spamassassin: 2.63. 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 14:23:35 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88INYTc005701; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:23:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88INW6F005690 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:23:32 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88INW3g005689 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:23:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88INTpk005666 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:23:29 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88INT6r005665 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:23:29 -0400 Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88INShb005655 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:23:29 -0400 Received: from don (don.biostat.mcw.edu [141.106.120.97]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i88INS420813 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:23:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200409081823.i88INS420813@post.its.mcw.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:23:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Rodney Sparapani To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: wdyngQuxsGKZDsFznuLP2g== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] mail-aliases handled incorrectly on Solaris X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rodney Sparapani List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thanks Aidan: That gives me an idea for a workaround. In site-start.el you could put the following: (setenv "MAILRC" "~/.mailxrc") This will avoid "mail alias loop detected" so you can run report-xemacs-bug, but you may not be able to send your bug report (it seemed to work, but I haven't seen the report posted yet). Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 14:50:16 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Imqbj011477; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88Impeu011462 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:51 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88ImpAe011460 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88ImlZl011445 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:47 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88Iml72011444 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:47 -0400 Received: from brain.delphioutpost.com ([65.202.186.194]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i88Imllm011430 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 6302 invoked by uid 1002); 8 Sep 2004 18:48:37 -0000 From: Jeff Mincy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16703.21509.213319.133988@brain.delphioutpost.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:48:37 -0400 To: Rodney Sparapani In-Reply-To: <200409081552.i88Fqs415374@post.its.mcw.edu> References: <200409081552.i88Fqs415374@post.its.mcw.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of jeff@delphioutpost.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] find-file doesn't run dired from a file buffer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu wrote: > Dear Bug Team! > > I have the variable find-file-run-dired set to t, but when I try to open dired > with find-file it does nothing if I'm in a file buffer. From *scratch*, or some > other buffer not associated with a file, it does open dired. Any ideas? It is the way (interactive "FFind file:") handles the default filename. If you accept the default offered by find-file with the trailing slash then the filename that find-file really sees is name of the file associated with the file buffer - which is a no-op. When you remove the trailing slash, then find-file gets the directory. You can see this by tracing find-file-noselect which is called by find-file. ====================================================================== 1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="~/downloads/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp/files.el" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil 1 <- find-file-noselect: # ====================================================================== 1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="~/downloads/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil 1 <- find-file-noselect: # I've gotten used to removing the trailing slash. -jeff From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 15:22:23 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88JKwnU020386; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:22:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88JKuXQ020373 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:20:56 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88JKuO0020372 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:20:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88JKrMN020348 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:20:53 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88JKrCM020347 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:20:53 -0400 Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88JKl25020305 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:20:48 -0400 Received: from don (don.biostat.mcw.edu [141.106.120.97]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i88JKk427840; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:20:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200409081920.i88JKk427840@post.its.mcw.edu> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:20:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Rodney Sparapani To: jeff@delphioutpost.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: vti88JnKNCsDHx3+8KmApQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] find-file doesn't run dired from a file buffer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rodney Sparapani List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org > >It is the way (interactive "FFind file:") handles the default filename. > >If you accept the default offered by find-file with the trailing slash >then the filename that find-file really sees is name of the file >associated with the file buffer - which is a no-op. When you remove >the trailing slash, then find-file gets the directory. > >You can see this by tracing find-file-noselect which is called by find-file. > >====================================================================== >1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="~/downloads/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp/files.el" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil >1 <- find-file-noselect: # >====================================================================== >1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="~/downloads/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil >1 <- find-file-noselect: # > > >I've gotten used to removing the trailing slash. > >-jeff Jeff: Neat trick. But, if I do the same with viper-mode, then it does open the directory in dired: 1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="/export/home/softadm/" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil 1 <- find-file-noselect: # So, what is viper-mode doing? I guess this is a feature and not a bug, but I was confused by the differing behaviors. I'd prefer the latter behavior by default and I suspect others would as well. Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? WWLD -- What Would Lombardi Do From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 18:35:49 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88MYpOZ025179; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:34:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88MXGAK024855 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:33:16 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88MXGH7024853 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:33:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88MXCTk024810 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:33:12 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88MXC1f024809 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:33:12 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88MXCCK024787; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:33:12 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i88MX23E019898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:33:02 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i88MX290020892; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:33:02 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i88MX2aC020891; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:33:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Francesco Potorti` References: <878yci8coy.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:33:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Francesco Potorti`'s message of "Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:03:53 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Q21.5] etags.c update X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi Francesco, I am moving this conversation to xemacs-beta, since we are no longer discussing a patch. We don't want the patch gods to get angry at us. Francesco Potorti` wrote: > The problem I could not overcome is that, after applying any of the two > workarounds above, I get the errors below. Is it possible to use some > tricks to get rid of these? I am not even sure why the first error is > there. > > g++-2.95 -g3 -DDEBUG -DETAGS_REGEXPS -DLONG_OPTIONS -DSTDC_HEADERS -DHAVE_GETCWD -DVERSION="\"20\"" -Iemacs/src -I. -o etags etags.c getopt.o getopt1.o regex.o chkmalloc.o chkxm.o > etags.c:838: `argbuffer' was not declared in this scope That's because K&R function declaration syntax is not legal C++. You get that error because this: static void print_help (argbuffer) argument *argbuffer; { ... } is the first function declaration with an argument in etags.c. A C++ compiler does not understand that. You have to change it to ANSI style: static void print_help (argument *argbuffer) { ... } The upshot is that you cannot support both K&R and C++ compilers unless you do horrible stuff like this: static void #ifdef __cplusplus print_help (argument *argbuffer) #else print_help (argbuffer) argument *argbuffer; #endif { ... } I don't know that it is worth your time to have to do that sort of thing. It seems like a lot of effort for a very small gain. Regards, -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 21:50:18 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891oBnV022546; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891o9as022536 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:09 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i891o9Ml022535 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:09 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891o6ND022509 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:06 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i891o5B2022508 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:05 -0400 Received: from brain.delphioutpost.com ([65.202.186.194]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i891nt4K022470 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 27527 invoked by uid 1002); 9 Sep 2004 01:49:49 -0000 From: Jeff Mincy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16703.46781.328757.132792@brain.delphioutpost.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:49:49 -0400 To: Rodney Sparapani In-Reply-To: <200409081920.i88JKk427840@post.its.mcw.edu> References: <200409081920.i88JKk427840@post.its.mcw.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of jeff@delphioutpost.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] find-file doesn't run dired from a file buffer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu wrote: >>It is the way (interactive "FFind file:") handles the default filename. >> >>If you accept the default offered by find-file with the trailing slash >>then the filename that find-file really sees is name of the file >>associated with the file buffer - which is a no-op. When you remove >>the trailing slash, then find-file gets the directory. >> >>You can see this by tracing find-file-noselect which is called by find-file. >> >>====================================================================== >>1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="~/downloads/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp/files.el" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil >>1 <- find-file-noselect: # >>====================================================================== >>1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="~/downloads/xemacs-21.4.15/lisp" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil >>1 <- find-file-noselect: # >> >> >>I've gotten used to removing the trailing slash. >> >>-jeff > > Jeff: > > Neat trick. But, if I do the same with viper-mode, then it does open the directory in dired: > > 1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="/export/home/softadm/" nowarn=nil rawfile=nil > 1 <- find-file-noselect: # > > So, what is viper-mode doing? I guess this is a feature and not a bug, > but I was confused by the differing behaviors. The (interactive "FFind file:") form (defined in callint.c) turns into a call to read-file-name - like: (read-file-name "FFind file: " nil nil nil) I don't know anything about viper mode - it just beeps at me. But, some variable or function that is used by the read-file-name machinery must be different in viper mode. Maybe something like buffer-file-truename. > I'd prefer the latter > behavior by default and I suspect others would as well. Oh, I didn't say I preferred the no-op behavior of find-file... -jeff From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 21:54:44 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891sgSN023296; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:54:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891sfxV023289 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:54:41 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i891sfH9023288 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:54:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891sbQr023269 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:54:37 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i891sbab023268 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:54:37 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i891sYol023254; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:54:35 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5E8r-0002m0-00; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:54:29 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16701.35606.12316.764398@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87zn41wfot.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16703.10717.896988.875051@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:54:29 +0900 In-Reply-To: <16703.10717.896988.875051@ns5.nestdesign.com> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:48:45 +0100") Message-ID: <873c1surze.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Moving to Unicode internally. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: >> Yuck. Can you spell "\201 bug"? Aidan> C-q 2 0 1 SPC b u g ? Aidan> Not sure I get you. :-) Ah, though, on further reading, Aidan> you're saying that people shouldn't be directly Aidan> dereferencing pointers to Ibytes anyway. The "\201 bug" is the bug that crops up in GNU Emacs every six months since 8 years before they integrated Mule. ;-) Mule doesn't actually have a binary coding system, it uses Latin 1 for that. So when you read a binary file into Mule, it represents a byte x in 128-255 as \201 (x - 128) in the buffer. Somehow those \201s escape into a file, and of course then they appear as \201 in Emacs when you read them in. I think it's been 9 months since the last time this bug appeared in GNU Emacs, so they're improving. ;-) Aidan> Yeah. But what to do with things like qxesprintf and Aidan> qxestrcasecmp arises, then. I'm not sure, but we can deal with that as they come. >> I don't understand why one wants a composing mechanism other >> than Unicode's. Aidan> Well, even to implement Unicode's composing mechanism on Aidan> current platforms, we need to use more codes, unless we're Aidan> to compose the characters from first principles at Aidan> redisplay every time. I don't see why not. Remember, those characters are going to end up in the file in uncomposed form, and are treated as characters in Unicode. Redisplay does _much_ more complicated processing than a quick lookup in an auxiliary table. If we find we really need the speed, use private characters assigned on the fly. Aidan> What composite support there is involves composing a Aidan> character once per session, and referencing the composed Aidan> character in a table of them, based on the numeric value of Aidan> the Ichar. Right, but that's because there is no formal notion of character composition in Mule. >> UTF-16 really is a horrible format, anyway; I wouldn't mind if >> we just restrict it to the BMP. Aidan> Ahh, _I_ really don't want to do that, though. I think Aidan> Unicode is cool, and I think that one aspect of that Aidan> coolness is that someone who's never heard of XEmacs before Aidan> can go and write an OpenType font that includes glyphs for Aidan> Gothic and Byzantine musical symbols So? If they live in plane 13 or something, we just don't allow the user to specify a 16-bit internal representation. Nor are we going to be dealing with gigabyte files containing those things; people who use them are not going to notice that their five pages of Byzantine music require a buffer of 4kB instead of 3.5kB (remember, any character that isn't in the BMP requires 4 bytes). The 16-bit format is really for big logfiles in Hangul; I misdoubt that anybody will be encoding their logfiles in Egyptian hieroglyphics or Sung Dynasty Chinese, eh? And if so, tell 'em to buy more memory. Anybody who can afford that much stupidity surely won't balk at 1GB of RAM. ;-) Aidan> If they have to twiddle a knob to tell the editor to use Aidan> UTF-8 or UTF-32, well, that's just one more thing to go Aidan> wrong. They won't have to. Internal representation will default to UTF-8, because (1) it will be the typical representation on disk anyway, (2) most people don't need the speed, (3) for most programming purposes and typical large file editing (ie, gigabyte webserver logs), it's the most compact representation, and (4) why buy trouble by having a file-system unsafe representation in process buffers (\201 bugs). UTF-16 really only makes sense for people using Asian languages with almost all characters in the BMP. Everybody else is going to be equally happy with UTF-8 or UTF-32. Also, note that you can use so-called denormalized UTF-8 as a widechar representation. That is, although it's illegal in Unicode, in fact 0xC0 0xA0 is likely to be read as a single ASCII SP by almost all engines that grok UTF-8. (And obviously we can make it so by fiat.) Aidan> For Western scripts, I think the best place to put Aidan> something like that is the first time the corresponding Aidan> coding system is referenced. So (find-coding-system Aidan> 'windows-1252), if it's the first time in a session that's Aidan> been done, should load the tables for that character Aidan> set. That's not what I mean by "auto-loading". That requires you to identify the windows-1252 coding system first. The problem is knowing whether you need the coding system or not, and that is going to require having the tables loaded. It's simply not possible to distinguish between windows-125x and windows-125y by the presence of (eg) dumbquotes. We eventually want to get past the complete dependence on "coding categories" to characterize coding systems, and that will require analysis of character distribution. Aidan> (Oh, and I think we should have a windows-1252 coding Aidan> system, btw. And define-coding-system-alias it to cp1252 Aidan> for FSF compatibility :-) We do have it somewhere (well, maybe not 1252, but definitely 1250 and 1251). I'm not going to support it unless I'm paid to do so, though. ;-) Aidan> For the East Asian iso-2022-based East Asian charsets, the Aidan> first time the escape for a given national standard is seen Aidan> within a coding system? The EUC coding systems (not to mention the industry substandards commonly used for Japanese and Chinese) don't use escapes any more than the ISO 8859 or Windows 125x coding systems do. Aidan> Or maybe it would be a better idea to separate out the Aidan> various iso-2022-based coding systems more explicitly, The iso-2022-{jp,kr,cn,int,int-2} family are all really the same coding system from our point of view; just a generic 7-bit ISO 2022 system. EUC and X Compound Text are somewhat different, and much more problematic because they specify initial contents of the GR register _implicitly_. Aidan> So, ordered, preferred, coding systems based on language Aidan> environment, and ordered mapping tables based on the same Aidan> thing. Ugh. But that should be a special case for ISO 2022, Aidan> shouldn't it? No, ISO 2022 (7 bit) is perfectly usable without such tables, because nobody implicitly designates G0 to anything but ASCII or implicitly invokes anything but G0 to GL anymore. As Richard Nixon would say, "we're all ASCII-compatible now." It's _all_ the 8-bit families (EUC, ISO 8859, Karp8[1], Shit-JIS, Bugger5, Winblows-125x) that are hard to identify, and whose variants are indistinguishable from each other. But the real killer is what do we do when we get to coding system heaven, and everything is Unicode? 8^o Footnotes: [1] The fish that Americans call "carp" is named "koi" in Japanese. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 8 22:04:19 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8924IM8024959; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:04:18 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8924ERA024931 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:04:14 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8924EZn024930 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:04:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8924BYB024916 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:04:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8924BOi024915 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:04:11 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8924AQt024903 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:04:10 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5EIE-0002ux-00 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:04:10 +0900 To: XEmacs Beta References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:04:10 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Malcolm Purvis's message of "Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:18:44 +1000") Message-ID: <87y8jktcyt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org QUERY >>>>> "Malcolm" == Malcolm Purvis writes: Malcolm> The '+' prefix requires a POSIX compatible make, but I Malcolm> think that these days this requirement is reasonable. Malcolm> The INSTALL file is updated to mention this requirement. I would say commit but be prepared to back it out if we get screams from HP/UX users or something. Others? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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(rsparapani@sbcglobal.net@69.210.64.206 with plain) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2004 03:07:16 -0000 In-Reply-To: <16703.46781.328757.132792@brain.delphioutpost.com> References: <200409081920.i88JKk427840@post.its.mcw.edu> <16703.46781.328757.132792@brain.delphioutpost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5BBD8304-020D-11D9-B2F6-003065D59DC8@mcw.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rodney Sparapani Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:07:18 -0500 To: Jeff Mincy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] find-file doesn't run dired from a file buffer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Sep 8, 2004, at 8:49 PM, Jeff Mincy wrote: > On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, rsparapa@post.its.mcw.edu wrote: > >> >> Jeff: >> >> Neat trick. But, if I do the same with viper-mode, then it does open >> the directory in dired: >> >> 1 -> find-file-noselect: filename="/export/home/softadm/" nowarn=nil >> rawfile=nil >> 1 <- find-file-noselect: # >> >> So, what is viper-mode doing? I guess this is a feature and not a >> bug, >> but I was confused by the differing behaviors. > > The (interactive "FFind file:") form (defined in callint.c) turns into > a call to read-file-name - like: > (read-file-name "FFind file: " nil nil nil) > > I don't know anything about viper mode - it just beeps at me. > But, some variable or function that is used by the read-file-name > machinery must be different in viper mode. Maybe something like > buffer-file-truename. Jeff: I think you've got something. It looks like the third arg differs. Does this have something to do with advice? w/o viper-mode: 1 -> read-file-name: prompt="Find file: " dir=nil default=nil must-match=nil initial-contents=nil history=nil 1 <- read-file-name: "~/.MacOSX/environment" w/ viper-mode: 1 -> read-file-name: prompt="Find file: " dir=nil default="/Users/rodney/.MacOSX/" must-match=nil initial-contents=nil history=nil 1 <- read-file-name: "/Users/rodney/.MacOSX/" From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 9 04:22:19 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i898M3KP003868; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:22:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i898M2BX003860 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:22:02 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i898M2Rr003859 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:22:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i898LwDw003838 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:21:58 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i898Lw8f003837 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:21:58 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i898Lvxe003828 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:21:57 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5KBm-0004XP-00 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:21:56 +0200 Received: from 84e5e603.math.leidenuniv.nl ([132.229.230.3]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:21:54 +0200 Received: from frasson by 84e5e603.math.leidenuniv.nl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:21:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Miguel Frasson Date: 09 Sep 2004 10:21:51 +0200 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 84e5e603.math.leidenuniv.nl User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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The difference between the default-toolbar-height and other toolbar-dimension specifiers is that its fallback is not 0. Just evaluate default-toolbar-height and bottom-toolbar-height. []'s Miguel. -- Miguel Vinicius Santini Frasson http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~frasson From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 9 05:09:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8999TIc009369; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:09:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8999Sso009362 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:09:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8999SDu009361 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:09:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8999OVY009351 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:09:24 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8999Oat009350 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:09:24 -0400 Received: from mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.195]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8999N7L009343 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 05:09:24 -0400 Received: from c18072.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au (c211-30-176-99.rivrw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.176.99]) by mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8999LM1006798 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:09:22 +1000 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <87y8jktcyt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Malcolm Purvis X-Face: "t>8w.Nd-q:ml[PuI`{tr%l5Y~, sBj?fR1G.q`GM6)3RK+ll4EOE_1Goun~_6nt.5q, rU]` Q, Kxq+|~kZdSuw`3)>5+_/EcS2MS={U]o-eU!y?G(&'dd~\jX|faymzH|72n4oPxOu8c0M2FroLHaA g%#ZHX\p3dIud>Y'+?-@!Om%Z(D2.Fp<*bS8W2Q'{*"WmzMrRZj%)1=|J#3:[`vYdisIP7:`as5Qku ,M(VrTIClqxpH4Z7,_$?ugTWyMq=DQjGEP*M4*/S{Ym{,uq')-b@i_ECSi; Gq+Z[I=kdtX Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:09:21 +1000 In-Reply-To: <87y8jktcyt.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull writes: Stephen> I would say commit but be prepared to back it out if we get screams Stephen> from HP/UX users or something. The HP/UX 11i boxes at my work have a POSIX compatible make. HP has dropped support for HP/UX 10 which will mean that most boxes in active use will be running v11. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of darrylo@soco.agilent.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Lispref manual for the palmpilot X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darryl Okahata List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org FYI, On a geek impulse yesterday, I converted the XEmacs 21.5 (CVS) lispref manual into something readable on a palmpilot. I'm not sure how useful this is, as anyone doing elisp hacking should have access to info (or a web browser), but it's certainly cool. Would anyone else (users?) be interested in this? It's a bit big, though (1039KB). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. 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So I copied the elisp code and made minor changes so that it doesn't require viper and put it in site-start.el. Enjoy! (defadvice find-file (before viper-add-suffix-advice activate) "Use `read-file-name' for reading arguments." (interactive (cons (read-file-name "Find file: " nil default-directory) ;; XEmacs: if Mule & prefix arg, ask for coding system (cond ((featurep '(and xemacs mule)) (list (and current-prefix-arg (read-coding-system "Coding-system: ")))) ;; Emacs: do wildcards ((and (not (featurep 'xemacs)) (boundp 'find-file-wildcards)) (list find-file-wildcards)))) )) Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of mcarter@srel.co.uk does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 From: Mark Carter To: XEmacs Beta , mcarter@srel.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:24:25 +0100 Cc: Subject: [Bug: 21.4.13] XP + python-mode + right-click - turn-on-font-lock gives flickering X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! I have set up my XP machine so that I can open any file using Xemacs by using right-clicking on the file, and selecting menu item XEmacs. This can be achieved (on my machine) using registry settings: [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\notepad] @="&Xemacs" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\notepad\command] @="C:\\packages\\xemacs\\XEmacs-21.4.13\\i586-pc-win32\\xemacs.exe \"%1\"" If I attempt to open a python file, Xemacs tries to go into python mode. It doesn't succeed, though. The file isn't loaded, the first line just flickers between grey and white. This continues until I move the focus onto some other application; whereupon Xemacs dies silently. Alternatively, typing C-g interrupts it. The flickering stops, the *scratch* buffer is shown with no text in it, and no other buffers are visible. If, on the other hand, I put the following line in my init file: (turn-on-font-lock) then I find that the file loads correctly. I momentarily see some sort of GUI progress bar towards the bottom of the buffer until the file is loaded (too fast for me to determine specifics). After loading, the following message is in the interactive (or whatever you call it) buffer: Using the CPython shell The problem does not manifest itself if I first start Xemacs, and then open a python file. I have reproduced the problem on two machines, each running Windows XP. It may be relevant to know that the directories xlib and xwem were deleted from the installation by me, in accordance with some instruction that I read somewhere for Windows (sorry, can't give specifics). I understand that these directories contain code specific to X-Windows, so that it is correct for me to have deleted them. ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- OS version: Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.4.13 "Rational FORTRAN" configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs in "d:\\xemacs\\xemacs-21.4-release\\nt". Using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -O2 -G5 -ML". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.4.13". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Compiling in fast dired implementation. Using portable dumper. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (c:\packages\XEmacs\xemacs-packages\lisp\build\build-report c:\packages\xemacs\XEmacs-21.4.13\lisp\build-report) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (zenirc ver: 1.15 upstream: 2.112) (xslt-process ver: 1.11 upstream: regular) (xslide ver: 1.09 upstream: 0.2.2) (xemacs-devel ver: 1.63 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (xemacs-base ver: 1.86 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (x-symbol ver: 1.1 upstream: 4.5.1) (w3 ver: 1.29 upstream: 4.0pre47) (vm ver: 7.18 upstream: 7.17) (viper ver: 1.37 upstream: 3.09) (view-process ver: 1.13 upstream: 2.4) (vhdl ver: 1.19 upstream: 3.32.20) (vc-cc ver: 1.22 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (vc ver: 1.38 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tramp ver: 1.17 upstream: 2.0.35) (tpu ver: 1.14 upstream: 4.2X) (tooltalk ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (tm ver: 1.37 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (time ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.17) (textools ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (text-modes ver: 1.77 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 10 05:23:37 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8A9NZDK008037; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:23:36 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8A9NY8t008031 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:23:34 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8A9NY4O008028 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:23:34 -0400 Resent-From: XEmacs Webmaster Resent-Message-ID: <16705.29334.115456.718916@gwyn.tux.org> Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Resent-To: xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87acw980er.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r7pk6tel.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project In-Reply-To: (Ralf Angeli's message of "Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:45:14 +0200") Message-ID: <87u0uf4m3p.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 20:40:10 +0900 Cc: Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: Ralf> I appreciate your effort, but don't you think that it would Ralf> be a better idea to give XEmacs the capability of multi-line Ralf> display strings? We have that capability, or rather, you can emulate it with multiple glyphs (one per line, or only for the start and end lines). Depending on the text you're "covering", this might or might not require spurious newlines in the buffer when folded. It's dubious to me that the multiline display string is preferable to the multi-glyph strategy in general, although I'll let you judge the case for AUCTeX. The problem I see is that it's not obvious to me how to either refold the display string, nor how to query redisplay for its extent, from Lisp. I don't like the idea of putting sophisticated facilities under control of dumb, hard to change, C code. I'm sure that for AUCTeX it would be more convenient for XEmacs to do multiline display itself. The practical issue is that I don't know how hard that would be, and it is extremely unlikely to go into XEmacs 21.4 because I'm pretty sure it would require redoing redisplay C code. Ralf> At least I get a bellyache when I think of incidents like a Ralf> power failure which might leave the user with an auto-save Ralf> file with folded content only. Well, it's rather unlikely; you'd have to get a program that trashed the write-file-contents-hook and a power failure at the same time. But you're right: better safe than sorry. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 10 05:48:18 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8A9mBke011158; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:48:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8A9m8uF011145 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:48:08 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8A9m8U2011144 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:48:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8A9m5aA011136 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:48:05 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8A9m56s011135 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:48:05 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8A9m4hI011130 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:48:04 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C5i0h-00048i-00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:48:03 +0200 Received: from iwi190.iwi.uni-sb.de ([134.96.72.190]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:48:03 +0200 Received: from angeli by iwi190.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:48:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Ralf Angeli Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:49:25 +0200 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <86wtzofxes.fsf@gmx.net> <86eklwfgd5.fsf@gmx.net> <86n00jebp3.fsf_-_@gmx.net> <874qmntzcq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86hdqnh975.fsf@gmx.net> <87llfzpg0l.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86oektipnz.fsf@gmx.net> <87oektmba4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k6velql4.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874qmhqzk7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87acw980er.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r7pk6tel.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87u0uf4m3p.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: iwi190.iwi.uni-sb.de Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/6VuVVxowusuFhjv27syx9i0o3A= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.224.249 as permitted sender) X-XEmacs-List: beta Subject: Re: AUCTeX and XEmacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Stephen J. Turnbull (2004-09-03) writes: >>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: > > Ralf> I appreciate your effort, but don't you think that it would > Ralf> be a better idea to give XEmacs the capability of multi-line > Ralf> display strings? > > We have that capability, or rather, you can emulate it with multiple > glyphs (one per line, or only for the start and end lines). I had the multiple-glyph idea as well, but haven't had the time to work with it. I'll need a way to mark glyphs belonging together. 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BEST REGARDS ZUNGU JOHN FOR THE FAMILY From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 12 00:27:23 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4Qblp014269; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:26:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4QYbO013457 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:26:34 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8C4QY2E013455 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:26:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4QWI1013102 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:26:32 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8C4QWku013077 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:26:32 -0400 Received: from swin.edu.au (c3p0.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.30]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4QUBL008366 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:26:31 -0400 Received: from radium.ssi.swin.edu.au (radium.ssi.swin.edu.au [136.186.12.239]) by swin.edu.au (8.9.3p2-20030918/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA631356 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:26:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:26:18 +1000 (EST) From: Tim Connors X-X-Sender: tconnors@radium.ssi.swin.edu.au To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of tconnors@astro.swin.edu.au does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: File write over shfs filesystem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i386-debian-linux': I have a shfs (a remote fs over ssh) filesystem pointing to my work acount. When I try to write to a file on this fs, I get the following error, *after* the file is sucessfully written. Signaling: (file-error "Writing file" "Invalid argument" "/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam") write-region-internal(1 31597 "/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" nil t "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" #) write-region(1 31597 "/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" nil t "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam") basic-write-file-data("/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam") basic-save-buffer-1() basic-save-buffer() save-buffer(1) call-interactively(save-buffer) The settings relevant to saving are: make-backup-files was t backup-by-copying, backup-by-copying-when-linked, backup-by-copying-when-mismatch were all nil Is the "Invalid argument" a filesystem returned result? Writing files normally works fine, but since shfs does have to emulate some functions via shell commands on the remote end, I guess there's a chance esoteric fucntions are going to die. Still, I think fseek() and friends all work, so I'd be surprised if xemacs was using something that doesn't work. -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ you are WRONG. QED -- George Hammond From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 12 00:39:36 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4dTwp004940; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:39:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4dRRh004930 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:39:27 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8C4dRPp004929 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:39:27 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4dNRq004912 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:39:23 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8C4dN6p004911 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:39:23 -0400 Received: from swin.edu.au (c3p0.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.30]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8C4dLZX004895 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:39:22 -0400 Received: from radium.ssi.swin.edu.au (radium.ssi.swin.edu.au [136.186.12.239]) by swin.edu.au (8.9.3p2-20030918/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA632096 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:39:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:39:15 +1000 (EST) From: Tim Connors X-X-Sender: tconnors@radium.ssi.swin.edu.au To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of tconnors+xemacs@astro.swin.edu.au does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: File write over shfs filesystem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Tim Connors wrote: > Signaling: (file-error "Writing file" "Invalid argument" "/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam") > write-region-internal(1 31597 "/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" nil t "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" #) > write-region(1 31597 "/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" nil t "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam") > basic-write-file-data("/home/tconnors/tellurium/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam" "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/swin-common-files/.procmailrc.spam") > basic-save-buffer-1() > basic-save-buffer() > save-buffer(1) > call-interactively(save-buffer) > > > The settings relevant to saving are: > make-backup-files was t > backup-by-copying, > backup-by-copying-when-linked, > backup-by-copying-when-mismatch were all nil > > > Is the "Invalid argument" a filesystem returned result? > Writing files normally works fine, but since shfs does have to emulate > some functions via shell commands on the remote end, I guess there's a > chance esoteric fucntions are going to die. Still, I think fseek() and > friends all work, so I'd be surprised if xemacs was using something that > doesn't work. I just did a strace, and came across a couple of interesing things: [pid 4704] readlink("/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/asdasdasdasdasdas", 0xbfffa590, 4095) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [pid 4704] stat64("/home/tconnors/tellurium/asdasdasdasdasdas", 0xbfffd55c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [pid 4704] getpid() = 4704 [pid 4704] symlink("tconnors@bohr.home.4704", "/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/.#asdasdasdasdasdas") = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) [pid 4704] --- SIGIO (I/O possible) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4704] sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) [pid 4704] ioctl(5, FIONREAD, [32]) = 0 [pid 4704] read(5, "\3\35\350\22[\307\244\2228\0\0\0&\0\340\5\0\0\0\0\33\3"..., 32) = 32 [pid 4704] ioctl(5, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 [pid 4704] open("/home/tconnors/tellurium/asdasdasdasdasdas", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = 6 [pid 4704] --- SIGIO (I/O possible) @ 0 (0) --- [pid 4704] sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) [pid 4704] lseek(6, 0, SEEK_CUR) = 0 [pid 4704] write(6, "aksdjh\n", 7) = 7 [pid 4704] fsync(6) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) [pid 4704] close(6) = 0 [pid 4704] ioctl(5, FIONREAD, [32]) = 0 [pid 4704] read(5, "\20\0\350\22&\0\340\5+,\0\1\233\0\274\0\1\0\1\0\0\0\1\0"..., 32) = 32 [pid 4704] stat64("/home/tconnors/tellurium/asdasdasdasdasdas", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=7, ...}) = 0 [pid 4704] readlink("/var/autofs/misc/benzene/home/office/tconnors/.#asdasdasdasdasdas", 0x8843fb8, 100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) First to note is that If I try to manually symlink something called .#asdasdasdasdasdas (as above) to any file, it comes back EPERM. If I exclude the '#', then it comes back "no such file or directory", but shfs creates the link anyway (looks like they are not esacping the # symbol to the shell!) The second thing to note is that the EINVAL probably came from the fsync(6) line. Am I right? It's the very last EINVAL returned before xemacs returns me the error. So these are shfs bugs (or missing features), which I'll report to them, but does my diagnosis sound right to you? -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ "These people [spam fighters] will go to the lowest depths," -- Tom Cowles, spammer and convicted thief. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 12 19:31:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8CNV7a9011789; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8CNV58U011780 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:05 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8CNV59U011779 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8CNV4lE011767 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:04 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8CNV4Ev011766 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:04 -0400 Received: from pot.isti.cnr.it (mail@pot.isti.cnr.it [146.48.83.182]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8CNV3dR011760; Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:31:03 -0400 Received: from pot by pot.isti.cnr.it with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C6dnu-0006iz-00; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:30:42 +0200 From: Francesco Potorti` To: Jerry James In-reply-to: (james@xemacs.org) References: <878yci8coy.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: X-fingerprint: 4B2 6187 5C3 D6B1 2E31 7666 9DF 2DC9 BE21 6115 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:30:42 +0200 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Turnbull" , XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Q21.5] etags.c update X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >> The problem I could not overcome is that, after applying any of the two >> workarounds above, I get the errors below. Is it possible to use some >> tricks to get rid of these? I am not even sure why the first error is >> there. >> >> g++-2.95 -g3 -DDEBUG -DETAGS_REGEXPS -DLONG_OPTIONS -DSTDC_HEADERS -DHAVE_GETCWD -DVERSION="\"20\"" -Iemacs/src -I. -o etags etags.c getopt.o getopt1.o regex.o chkmalloc.o chkxm.o >> etags.c:838: `argbuffer' was not declared in this scope >That's because K&R function declaration syntax is not legal C++. You >get that error because this: > >static void >print_help (argbuffer) > argument *argbuffer; >{ > ... >} > >is the first function declaration with an argument in etags.c. A C++ >compiler does not understand that. You have to change it to ANSI style: > >static void >print_help (argument *argbuffer) >{ > ... >} Ok, I had investigated before asking and had come to the same conclusions you explain, but I was not confident about them because my C++ is very rusty. >The upshot is that you cannot support both K&R and C++ compilers unless >you do horrible stuff like this: > >static void >#ifdef __cplusplus >print_help (argument *argbuffer) >#else >print_help (argbuffer) > argument *argbuffer; >#endif >{ > ... >} That's what I feared, but I hoped there could be some cute way to support both. I tried with `extern "C" {' and with namespaces, but to no avail. Now you confirm that there is no way to do that. >I don't know that it is worth your time to have to do that sort of >thing. It seems like a lot of effort for a very small gain. More than all, it's really ugly, and makes reading the source a pain, for me at least. No, I won't do that. Thanks for your assistance in getting to the bottom of this. 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I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/text-modes/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-13 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.79 released. 2004-09-10 Jari Aalto * folding.el (whole file): Extra empty newlines removed. Protected all email addresses by removing AT-signs. 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Then, when invoking revert on the same buffer, the file is reloaded and the syntax highligting restarted but it never aborts so, for very large files it can take several minutes to complete and meanwhile the editor becomes unresponsive. Cheers, - Salva _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of boffi@boffi95.stru.polimi.it does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.5-b17] default face obeys xresources instead of customizations X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: giacomo.boffi@polimi.it List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! If there is even a vaguely related xresource regarding fonts (e.g., *Font: blablabla ), xemacs uses that value instead of what i saved in ~/.xemacs/custom.el Moreover, if the default face is specified via xresources, it's like it's cast in stone, as i can't change the font or the size of the default face (to the contrary, all works nicely if i remove all font related xresources applicable to xemacs) It's debatable what to do when there is a conflict between xresources and saved customizations, but imho it should be possible to customize the default face at runtime, even if it was specified using xresources ciao gb ps: regarding lisp shadows below... the package system, imho, should blow away the whole directories while unistalling a package i unistallad auctex to later install auctex 1.53 from the net, but it turns out that i was left with the old *.el.gz in the */lisp/auctex directory in the package hierarchy, hence the shadows ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux boffi95 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux ./configure '--extra-verbose' '--rel-alloc' '--with-widgets' '--with-athena=3d' '--debug' '--pdump' '--with-wmcommand=yes' '--with-sound=no' '--error-checking=all' '--use-number-lib=gmp' XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040704) configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /home/boffi/src/xemacs-21.5 Installation prefix: /usr/local Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-2) - GCC specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.4/specs - Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wpacked -Wshadow -Wmissing-declarations -g -O3 libc version: GNU libc 2.3.2.ds1-13 (Debian) Relocating allocator for buffers: yes GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Internationalization: Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Compiling in support for more number types using the GNU MP library. Using the new portable dumper. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. Compiling in support for runtime error checking. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: XEmacs will run noticeably more slowly as a result. WARNING: Error checking is on by default for XEmacs beta releases. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-info /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-info /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/context-nl /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/context-nl /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/context-en /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/context-en /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/latex /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/latex /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-mik /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-mik /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/texmathp /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/texmathp /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/context /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/context /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-buf /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-buf /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/multi-prompt /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/multi-prompt /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-font /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-font /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-fold /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-fold /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/font-latex /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/font-latex /home/boffi/lib/emacs/info-look /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/edit-utils/info-look) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (xwem ver: 1.14 upstream: 0.2) (xlib ver: 1.12 upstream: 0.2) (xemacs-base ver: 1.88 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (x-symbol ver: 1.1 upstream: 4.5.1) (vm ver: 7.18 upstream: 7.17) (tramp ver: 1.17 upstream: 2.0.35) (time ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.17) (textools ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (text-modes ver: 1.78 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (texinfo ver: 1.25 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (sh-script ver: 1.18 upstream: 2.0e) (scheme ver: 1.14 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (sasl ver: 1.14 upstream: 1.14.4) (ruby-modes ver: 1.02 upstream: 1.6.8) (reftex ver: 1.34 upstream: 4.21) (python-modes ver: 1.06 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (psgml-dtds ver: 1.03 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (psgml ver: 1.43 upstream: 1.3.1) (ps-print ver: 1.11 upstream: 6.5.6) (prog-modes ver: 2.01 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (pgg ver: 1.04 upstream: 0.1) (perl-modes ver: 1.06 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (pcomplete ver: 1.03 upstream: 1.1.6) (os-utils ver: 1.35 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (net-utils ver: 1.44 upstream: N/A) (mmm-mode ver: 1.02 upstream: 0.4.7) (misc-games ver: 1.18 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (mailcrypt ver: 2.14 upstream: 3.5.8) (mail-lib ver: 1.67 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ispell ver: 1.29 upstream: 3.6) (hm--html-menus ver: 1.23 upstream: 5.9) (gnus ver: 1.8 upstream: 5.10.6) (general-docs ver: 1.01 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (fsf-compat ver: 1.14 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (fortran-modes ver: 1.04 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (footnote ver: 1.16 upstream: 0.18x) (efs ver: 1.32 upstream: 1.22) (edit-utils ver: 2.14 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (ediff ver: 1.5 upstream: 2.75) (ecrypto ver: 0.17 upstream: 2.0) (ecb ver: 1.19 upstream: 2.27) (dired ver: 1.15 upstream: 7.11) (dictionary ver: 1.12 upstream: regular) (debug ver: 1.17 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (cookie ver: 1.15 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (cc-mode ver: 1.43 upstream: 5.30.9) (calendar ver: 1.23 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (calc ver: 1.26 upstream: 2.02fX3) (c-support ver: 1.2 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (bbdb ver: 1.24 upstream: 2.34) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 font disp-table paren blink-paren func-menu bbdb timezone font-lock cus-face jka-compr tex-site smiley annotations messagexmas nnheader nnheaderxm gnus-util netrc time-date parse-time mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils x-compose filladapt image-mode view-less view mwheel xwem-autoloads xlib-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads x-symbol-autoloads vm-autoloads tramp-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads sh-script-autoloads scheme-autoloads sasl-autoloads ruby-modes-autoloads reftex-autoloads python-modes-autoloads psgml-dtds-autoloads psgml-autoloads ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pgg-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads os-utils-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads ispell-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads gnus-autoloads general-docs-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads fortran-modes-autoloads footnote-autoloads efs-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads ecrypto-autoloads ecb-autoloads dired-autoloads dictionary-autoloads debug-autoloads cookie-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads bbdb-autoloads modules-autoloads lisp-autoloads loadhist rsz-minibuf auto-show fontl-hooks x-iso8859-1 code-cmds gutter-items menubar-items x-menubar mode-motion mouse behavior itimer auto-save lisp-mode easymenu iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete cus-file derived newcomment env text-props frame obsolete cus-start custom widget cl-extra cl cl-19 packages backquote unicode lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars athena-dialogs x c-balloon-help tty-frames tty toolbar scrollbar unix-processes multicast network-streams subprocesses bigfloat ratio bignum number-types modules menu-accelerator-support menubar berkeley-db md5 xemacs gutter tiff png gif jpeg xface xpm xbm lisp-float-type file-coding linux dialog devices window-system base64) Recent keystrokes: ----------------- button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up button1 button1up misc-user Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Parsing /home/boffi/.mailrc... done Parsing /home/boffi/.mailrc... Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... Loading font...done Fontifying *scratch*... done. Loading font... Paren mode is paren Fontifying *scratch*... (syntactically). Fontifying *scratch*... Loading paren...done Loading paren... Loading cus-face...done Loading cus-face... Automatic file (de)compression is now ON. Loading mwheel...done Loading mwheel... From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 06:12:16 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DAC60M030930; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DAC5qx030920 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:05 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DAC5pu030919 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DAC4Vu030902 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:04 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DAC3CX030898 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:03 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DAC2I4030887 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:12:02 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C6noS-0000cp-00; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:11:56 +0900 To: giacomo.boffi@polimi.it References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:11:56 +0900 In-Reply-To: (giacomo boffi's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:54:31 +0200") Message-ID: <871xh6qxzn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.5-b17] default face obeys xresources instead of customizations X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi writes: giacomo> but imho it should be possible to customize the default giacomo> face at runtime, even if it was specified using giacomo> xresources That's what the mice said, but who's going to bell the cat? This is a long-known bug, it's on my list to look at some day, but I'd rather fight a Balrog than Customize.... giacomo> ps: regarding lisp shadows below... the package system, giacomo> imho, should blow away the whole directories while giacomo> unistalling a package Anything in there that's not in pkginfo/MANIFEST.$package was put there by you; I don't think we should blow a directory away unless it's empty. I think the appropriate thing to do is to issue a warning if subdirectories owned by the package aren't empty. Doing more than that is going to require a lot more work than it's worth to make sure we don't trash anything the user might want to keep around. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 08:48:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DCmKQE001073; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:21 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DCmHaW001059 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:17 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DCmHMO001057 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:17 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DCmD0H001027 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:13 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DCmDli001026 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:13 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DCmD2i001016 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:48:13 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C6qFf-0005Az-00 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:48:12 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:48:11 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:48:11 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:47:35 +0200 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:sZjoy2Ite6rwXDv/AXl8M+9TUX8= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: commit problems again. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello At the end of july I successfully committed the patch, with sync auctex-pkg with 11.14, now I wanted to do the same using the cvs-rw script as before. That is cvs-rw commit However after typing the password, editing the ChangeLog, I again receive: )bort, c)ontinue, e)dit, !)reuse this message unchanged for remaining dirs Action: (continue) c cvs server: Up-to-date check failed for `ChangeLog' cvs server: Up-to-date check failed for `Makefile' **** Access allowed: Personal Karma exceeds Environmental Karma. **** Access allowed: Personal Karma exceeds Environmental Karma. **** Access allowed: Personal Karma exceeds Environmental Karma. cvs [server aborted]: correct above errors first! What is up, is there a variable I did not set up correctly. The only change to july I can think of, is up apt-get upgrade I did on my Debian sid. May be now debian is using a buggy ssh? Thanks Uwe Brauer From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 10:10:32 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEALji026433; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEAJKg026412 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:19 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DEAJIC026411 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEAIvZ026394 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:18 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DEAI3o026392 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:18 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEAD4l026360 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:10:17 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C6rWt-0001TT-00; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:10:03 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:10:03 +0900 In-Reply-To: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:47:35 +0200") Message-ID: <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: commit problems again. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Uwe> cvs server: Up-to-date check failed for `ChangeLog' Uwe> cvs server: Up-to-date check failed for `Makefile' The server is saying that these files have been changed since you last updated them. This is highly likely for those particular files, as Norbert often makes little changes to them for one reason or another in his role as Package czar. In particular, he may have updated version and added a log for the recently released SUMO, even if there were no substantive changes to the package since you last committed. tar off the whole auctex tree just in case, and then run cvs update, and look for conflicts (lines beginning with "C " in stdout). Fix those files, and retry the commit. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 10:24:55 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEOrfP030656; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEOpgc030638 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:51 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DEOp4x030637 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DEOnfS030617 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:49 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DEOn60030616 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:49 -0400 Received: from web52705.mail.yahoo.com (web52705.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.156]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i8DEOf3X030543 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20040913142436.36934.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.62.232.65] by web52705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:24:36 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Salvador "Fandiño" To: XEmacs Beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of sfandino@yahoo.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] XEmacs hangs editing simple C file X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello, when editing a C file with this content: ----------------- c file ------------ int foo () { } } static bar blob = ------------------------------------- if I try to add a '{' so that the last line becomes... static bar blob = { XEmacs hangs becoming completely unresponsive. Killing it prints... Lisp backtrace follows: scan-lists(21 -1 1) byte-code("..." [paren-end scan-lists -1 1 t] 4) # (condition-case ... . ((error))) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (outside-macro paren-end) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (lim) c-in-knr-argdecl(nil) # bind (fallback-pos knr-argdecl-start move last-stmt-start start) byte-code("..." [beg move last-stmt-start knr-argdecl-start lim start c-beginning-of-statement-1 t nil looking-at c-backward-sws (?\; ?} ?: nil) macro ?{ c-in-knr-argdecl throw return previous same 0 c-forward-sws syntax-table ((set-syntax-table c-with-syntax-table-orig-table)) set-syntax-table c++-mode c-syntactic-re-search-forward "[;={]" ?= "[;{]" (byte-code "À`Á©ÂÃ%b¨Ã§" [scan-lists 1 nil t] 6) ((error)) ";" tentative-move fallback-pos c-opt-method-key c-opt-access-key c-recognize-knr-p c-with-syntax-table-orig-table c-buffer-is-cc-mode c++-template-syntax-table] 6) # (catch return ...) # bind (lim) c-beginning-of-decl-1(nil) # bind (c-stmt-delim-chars syntactic-relpos in-macro-expr macro-start inenclosing-p c-state-cache-start c-state-cache inclass-p special-brace-list injava-inher keyword tmpsymbol step-type c-in-literal-cache placeholder c-syntactic-context lim char-after-ip char-before-ip containing-sexp literal paren-state case-fold-search indent-point deactivate-mark after-change-functions before-change-functions inhibit-point-motion-hooks inhibit-read-only buffer-undo-list modified) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) c-guess-basic-syntax() # bind (deactivate-mark after-change-functions before-change-functions inhibit-point-motion-hooks inhibit-read-only buffer-undo-list modified c-macro-start c-fix-backslashes has-backslash insert-backslash start col newline-arg) c-newline-and-indent() # bind (newlines syntax delete-temp-newline c-echo-syntactic-information-p preserve-p insertion-point syms blink-paren-function old-blink-paren literal safepos arg) c-electric-brace(nil) # bind (command-debug-status) call-interactively(c-electric-brace) # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) [1]+ Terminated xemacs tx.c Cheers, - Salvador ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux penell 2.6.8.1 #1 Mon Aug 16 20:44:52 JST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux ./configure '--with-sound=none,native' '--with-x11' '--extra-verbose' '--with-site-lisp' '--with-database=berkdb' '--statedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/xemacs-21.4.15' '--prefix=/usr' '--dynamic' '--error-checking=none' '--debug=no' '--with-pop' '--with-gpm=no' '--with-file-coding' '--pdump' '--with-gtk' '--with-gnome' '--docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs-21.4.15/i386-debian-linux/gnome-mule/' '--with-mule' '--with-canna=no' '--with-wnn=no' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-xfs' '--package-path=~/.xemacs:~/.xemacs/packages:~/.xemacs/xemacs-packages::/usr/share/xemacs21/xemacs-packages:/usr/share/xemacs21/mule-packages:/usr/share/xemacs21/site-packages' 'i386-debian-linux' XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i386-debian-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /home/mohura/debsrc/xemacs21-21.4.15 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -fno-strict-aliasing -Wshadow Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9) Compiler specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.4/specs Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Need to guess glibc1/2/etc here Window System: Using GTK menubars. Using GTK scrollbars. Using GTK dialog boxes. Using GTK native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for file coding. - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. 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Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 11:04:05 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DF41sV009036; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:04:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DF40SD009011 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:04:00 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DF40mK009010 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:04:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DF3vhi008988 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:03:57 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DF3vH5008986 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:03:57 -0400 Received: from air.mai.liu.se (air.mai.liu.se [130.236.70.111]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DF3quc008923; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:03:52 -0400 Received: from spamotron.isy.liu.se (spamotron.isy.liu.se [130.236.48.19]) by air.mai.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C4110B132; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: from air.mai.liu.se ([130.236.70.111]) by spamotron.isy.liu.se (spamotron.isy.liu.se [130.236.48.19]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 03933-07; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sunray1.mai.liu.se (sunray1.mai.liu.se [130.236.70.121]) by air.mai.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7980410B12B; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from jalar@localhost) by sunray1.mai.liu.se (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.2/Submit) id i8DF3iet007881; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:44 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:44 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan-=C5ke?= Larsson To: Jerry James Message-ID: <20040913150344.GA7588@mai.liu.se> References: <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <20040908080543.GA23540@mai.liu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mai.liu.se Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of jalar@mai.liu.se does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, Ralf Angeli , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: XEmacs and search paths X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Jerry James wrote: > As the debate goes on, please remember one thing: the XEmacs > architecture-independent files may be shared by many different kinds of > computers on a LAN. I've had this situation in the last 2 places I've > worked. Each computer has its own copy of the binaries, say in > /usr/local/bin, but /usr/local/lib/xemacs contains soft links into an > NFS filesystem, say /tools/xemacs. In case of the binaries, we don't really need to check the paths, just to know if the executables exist (right?). And numbers are below ten for each check. Perhaps a runtime check (with session cache (non-persistent)) is sufficient here. > Unfortunately, this makes it impossible to set any of the AUCTeX paths > correctly, because each architecture tends to have a different TeX > installation, often in different places. This one has tetex, with the > style files under /usr/share/texmf. That one has MikTeX. Some other > one has some ungodly hybrid cobbled together by the sysadmins, with > style files under /usr/local/lib/texmf. They don't all have the same > style files, so anything generated by TeX-auto-generate-global is wrong > somewhere as are the paths in tex-site.el. In this kind of volatile installation, I'd say the sysadmins would need to solve the difficulties themselves. Not too much to ask, eh? 8^) Anyhow, TeX-auto-generate-* is related to the TeX installation on each machine. Now, is ${localstatedir} one of these machine-local things.... Hmmm. "Some portions of /var are not shareable between different systems.... " OK, so it is not unthinkable to determine these on each machine, in each session. But somehow, I'm not entirely convinced. This TeX-path-check is long and complicated in our autoconf code. I have a feeling it may be slow. But then again, I've been wrong often enough before. David wrote it, he should know. > Maybe I've been unlucky enough to work at places where the sysadmins are > crazy, Not at all. I know the feeling. ;-) /JÅ -- SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 11:28:12 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFS6hd015483; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:28:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFS2Pn015438 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:28:02 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DFS27a015437 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:28:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFS0Tc015412 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:28:00 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DFS0O5015411 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:28:00 -0400 Received: from eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFRxDp015400; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:27:59 -0400 Received: from iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de (iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de [134.96.72.13]) by eris.rz.uni-saarland.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8DFRvjO3200959; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:27:57 +0200 (CST) Received: from [134.96.72.190] (helo=neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de) by iwi-gate.iwi.uni-sb.de with esmtp (Exim 4.33; FreeBSD) id 1C6skC-0007Du-37; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:27:52 +0200 Received: from angeli by neutrino.iwi.uni-sb.de with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C6slh-0001Ex-MH; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:29:25 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan-=C5ke?= Larsson References: <86wtz65rkf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <20040908080543.GA23540@mai.liu.se> <20040913150344.GA7588@mai.liu.se> From: Ralf Angeli Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:29:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040913150344.GA7588@mai.liu.se> =?iso-8859-1?Q?=28Jan-=C5k?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?e?= Larsson's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:03:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-IWi-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IWi-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-IWi-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5) X-MailScanner-From: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.1 (eris.rz.uni-saarland.de [134.96.7.8]); Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:27:57 +0200 (CEST) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter 1.0.6; AVE 6.27.0.6; VDF 6.27.0.56 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, Jerry James , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: XEmacs and search paths X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Jan-Åke Larsson (2004-09-13) writes: > OK, so it is not unthinkable to determine these on each machine, in > each session. But somehow, I'm not entirely convinced. This > TeX-path-check is long and complicated in our autoconf code. I have a > feeling it may be slow. But then again, I've been wrong often enough > before. David wrote it, he should know. If something is long and complicated, it was usually written by me. The speed of the function `TEX_INPUT_DIRS' is probably influenced mostly by the time the calls to kpsewhich take. The rest of the function is just some mumbo-jumbo to convert the output to a list of strings. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 11:38:33 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFcS8J019251; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:38:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFbq0I019022 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:37:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DFbqg6019021 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:37:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFbpV3019004 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:37:51 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DFbpfj019003 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:37:51 -0400 Received: from brett.sim.ucm.es (brett.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFbmNA018971; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:37:49 -0400 Received: from brett.sim.ucm.es (brett.sim.ucm.es [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA94D12412F; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:36:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postal.sim.ucm.es (postal.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.222]) by brett.sim.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DEE124126; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:36:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Gilgamesch (sello.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.223]) by ucmail.ucm.es (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30932) with ESMTP id <0I3Z0C26KKQF8K@ucmail.ucm.es>; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:37:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:36:56 +0200 From: Uwe Brauer In-reply-to: <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> To: "Stephen J. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull writes: >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Uwe> cvs server: Up-to-date check failed for `ChangeLog' cvs Uwe> server: Up-to-date check failed for `Makefile' Stephen> The server is saying that these files have been changed Stephen> since you last updated them. This is highly likely for Stephen> those particular files, as Norbert often makes little Stephen> changes to them for one reason or another in his role as Stephen> Package czar. In particular, he may have updated version Stephen> and added a log for the recently released SUMO, even if Stephen> there were no substantive changes to the package since Stephen> you last committed. Right sounds plausible Stephen> tar off the whole auctex tree just in case, and then run Stephen> cvs update, and look for conflicts (lines beginning with Stephen> "C " in stdout). Fix those files, and retry the commit. Thanks, it works now I have learnt something new. Norbert could you please when you please for the moment being only *pre* release the auctex package Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 11:41:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFfEKL020558; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:41:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFfCwb020545 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:41:12 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DFfCOe020544 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:41:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFfBP9020527 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:41:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DFfBFU020526 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:41:11 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DFfATc020510 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:41:11 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C6sx3-0002q6-00 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:41:09 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:41:09 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:41:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:40:33 +0200 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <86pt4qfa8e.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wugXpOlX3GCgvjcitHOdhfRdfsg= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: help setting toolbar X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Miguel" == Miguel Frasson writes: Miguel> Hello. Miguel> I solved the problem myself. The difference between the Miguel> default-toolbar-height and other toolbar-dimension Miguel> specifiers is that its fallback is not 0. Just evaluate Miguel> default-toolbar-height and bottom-toolbar-height. Thanks for your effort. I think this is toolbar project is important and I wish I could help. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 15:17:41 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DJHW6c032551; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:17:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DJHUe0032527 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:17:30 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DJHUko032523 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:17:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DJHRLH032490 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:17:27 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DJHRf9032489 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:17:27 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DJHQ9b032482 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:17:27 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C6wKL-000PgR-S1 for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:17:26 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C6wKL-000F3s-DI for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:17:25 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:17:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:36:56 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: > Norbert could you please when you please for the moment being only > *pre* release the auctex package It would be pre-release anyway for some time right now. Currently I get the following error: gcp --force --recursive --symbolic-link /usr/local/users/nk/cvs/packages/xemacs-packages/auctex/.dummy /usr/users/nk/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/var gcp: cannot stat `/usr/local/users/nk/cvs/packages/xemacs-packages/auctex/.dummy': No such file or directory gmake: *** [binkit-1] Error 1 Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Mon Sep 13 21:12:20 This is the long version of "the file's simply not there". Have you forgotten to commit .dummy or does this point out an error in the Makefile? Touching the file lets me build the package. Thanks, norbert. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: XEmacs Packages have been pre-released 2004-09-13-21 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey there everyone. I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== auctex-1.40-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 11.53 xwem-1.15-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.2 Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/auctex/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-13 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.40 released. 2004-09-08 Uwe Brauer * sync with 11.53 * tex-site.el (TeX-macro-global): set to nil, add relevant information in the doc string. ("tex"): (eval-after-load "tex" add warning messages if TeX-macro-global is nil. 2004-09-06 Uwe Brauer * tex-site.el (TeX-lisp-directory): use file-name-as-directory (TeX-auto-global): ditto. * Makefile (ETC_ELCS): add etc/booktabs.el etc/captcont.el etc/emp.el etc/paralist.el etc/scrpage2.el etc/subfigure.el 2004-08-24 Uwe Brauer * Makefile (ELCS): upgrade the new el files (ETC_ELCS): upgrade the new el files (RUN_MAKEINFO_INDIVIDUAL): RUN_MAKEINFO_INDIVIDUAL = $(MAKEINFO) -I texi/ --no-validate --force --no-headers -o $@ $< because of macro files in directory texi and some (not important errors) * add texi/faq.texi, texi/todo.texi, texi/wininstall.texi, texi/macros.texi * add ChangeLog.auctex tex-fold.el context-en.el context.el context-nl.el * add etc/units.el, etc/nicefrac.el etc/beamer.el etc/alltt.el etc/alphanum.el, etc/doc.el, etc/jura.el, etc/italian.el etc/ltx-base.el etc/ltxdoc.el * remove texi/auc-tex.texi, texi/math-ref.texi * remove auc-old.el hilit-LaTeX.el - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/xwem/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-13 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.15 released. * lisp/xwem-interactive.el (read-from-minibuffer-for-xwem): Fix build, add missing closing paren. 2004-09-13 Steve Youngs * lisp/xwem-interactive.el: Use `symbol-function' in the defalias for `read-from-minibuffer-for-xwem'. This fixes a "exceeds max-specpdl-size" error when doing things like `H-x b', `H-!' etc. 2004-09-13 Steve Youngs * xwem-clients.el: Don't autoload `subtract-time' from time-date at compile time as it isn't needed anymore. (xwem-cl-get-uptime-1): New. (xwem-cl-get-uptime): Use it. This fixes a bug that meant a client's uptime couldn't be measured beyond 65535 seconds. The fix was inspired by code From Sebastian Freundt Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. Footnotes: [1] Note: Mule packages should be installed into: /usr/local/lib/xemacs/mule-packages/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBRfXsgu3ywdHdhM0RArM+AJ9ukEUvnRMEy5jHyoKBpvwzgTUb8gCgifHv AGXgH13xrhZte5Gii1K2qcg= =PhfL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 13 16:49:10 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DKn47R002685; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:49:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DKn1aC002674 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:49:02 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DKn1W0002672 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:49:01 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DKn0FY002654 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:49:00 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8DKn0W9002653 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:49:00 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8DKmxOl002642; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:48:59 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id A1C74328002; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:48:58 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16710.1978.581147.54225@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:48:58 +0100 To: "Stephen J. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an naoiú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > Aidan> Yeah. But what to do with things like qxesprintf and > Aidan> qxestrcasecmp arises, then. > > I'm not sure, but we can deal with that as they come. Yeah, well, I'd mentioned it because I had come across them. That's okay, though, there's plenty of other things to be done before changing them becomes entirely necessary. > [...] Right, but that's because there is no formal notion of character > composition in Mule. That wasn't ever finished, then? > >> UTF-16 really is a horrible format, anyway; I wouldn't mind if > >> we just restrict it to the BMP. > > Aidan> Ahh, _I_ really don't want to do that, though. I think > Aidan> Unicode is cool, and I think that one aspect of that > Aidan> coolness is that someone who's never heard of XEmacs before > Aidan> can go and write an OpenType font that includes glyphs for > Aidan> Gothic and Byzantine musical symbols > > So? If they live in plane 13 or something, we just don't allow the > user to specify a 16-bit internal representation. [*Shudder* whoever mentioned having the user specifying the internal representation? That's something that far too low level for everyday use. ] If that's a way of nudging me to go and do all the multiple-character-formats- in-one-build work, I'll do UTF-16 first, if that's okay. > The 16-bit format is really for big logfiles in Hangul; I misdoubt > that anybody will be encoding their logfiles in Egyptian hieroglyphics > or Sung Dynasty Chinese, eh? And if so, tell 'em to buy more memory. > Anybody who can afford that much stupidity surely won't balk at 1GB of > RAM. ;-) :-) . Maybe they're just bored and trying to break their editor ... > Aidan> If they have to twiddle a knob to tell the editor to use > Aidan> UTF-8 or UTF-32, well, that's just one more thing to go > Aidan> wrong. > > They won't have to. Internal representation will default to UTF-8, > because (1) it will be the typical representation on disk anyway, (2) > most people don't need the speed, (3) for most programming purposes > and typical large file editing (ie, gigabyte webserver logs), it's the > most compact representation, and (4) why buy trouble by having a > file-system unsafe representation in process buffers (\201 bugs). I heard complaints that Mule wasn't Fast Enough ... > UTF-16 really only makes sense for people using Asian languages with > almost all characters in the BMP. Everybody else is going to be > equally happy with UTF-8 or UTF-32. Also, note that you can use > so-called denormalized UTF-8 as a widechar representation. That is, > although it's illegal in Unicode, in fact 0xC0 0xA0 is likely to be > read as a single ASCII SP by almost all engines that grok UTF-8. (And > obviously we can make it so by fiat.) Umm. What does that give us? Ah, right, though, you mean as an encoding of composed characters. But, eh, honestly, if Unicode composition is good enough, then it's good enough. The awkward thing may be getting platform-specific support for it. XTerm won't coöperate there, for example. I'm not sure about Windows, but I don't think it's stellar either; they seem to have run out of energy on Unicode about 1997, and composite characters probably fell by the wayside. > Aidan> For Western scripts, I think the best place to put > Aidan> something like that is the first time the corresponding > Aidan> coding system is referenced. So (find-coding-system > Aidan> 'windows-1252), if it's the first time in a session that's > Aidan> been done, should load the tables for that character > Aidan> set. > > That's not what I mean by "auto-loading". That requires you to > identify the windows-1252 coding system first. The problem is knowing > whether you need the coding system or not, and that is going to > require having the tables loaded. No it doesn't. Ben Wing's Unicode detectors all work off magic values, as does the shift_jis detector, the big5 detector, and the iso2022 detector. file(1) doesn't need an ELF loader to work out that something is a thirty-two bit i386 binary, and it would be overkill to give it one. > It's simply not possible to distinguish between windows-125x and > windows-125y by the presence of (eg) dumbquotes. Yes ... but that still doesn't have a whole lot to do with mapping tables. > We eventually want to get past the complete dependence on "coding > categories" to characterize coding systems, and that will require > analysis of character distribution. Yes, absolutely. This has its downside too, though --cf. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html : "Internet Explorer actually does something quite interesting: it tries to guess, based on the frequency in which various bytes appear in typical text in typical encodings of various languages, what language and encoding was used. Because the various old 8 byte code pages tended to put their national letters in different ranges between 128 and 255, and because every human language has a different characteristic histogram of letter usage, this actually has a chance of working. It's truly weird, but it does seem to work often enough that naïve web-page writers who never knew they needed a Content-Type header look at their page in a web browser and it looks ok, until one day, they write something that doesn't exactly conform to the letter-frequency-distribution of their native language, and Internet Explorer decides it's Korean and displays it thusly, [...]" We want to take as much language environment information as is available to us when detecting these things, I think. So if a text has Latin-1's character distribution, the Windows-125N directed quotes, and we're using a Roman-script Western-European-language environment, then we have a near-certainty that it's Windows-1252. If we're in a Cyrillic-script language environment, that becomes much less certain; but if the local language histogram matches less than does the Latin-1 histogram, it can remain Windows-1252 and not Windows-1251. (Wonder how much Serbian and Bulgarian's character distribution varies from that of Russian?) > Aidan> (Oh, and I think we should have a windows-1252 coding > Aidan> system, btw. And define-coding-system-alias it to cp1252 > Aidan> for FSF compatibility :-) > > We do have it somewhere (well, maybe not 1252, but definitely 1250 and > 1251). I'm not going to support it unless I'm paid to do so, though. > ;-) That's okay, I will :-) . > The EUC coding systems (not to mention the industry substandards > commonly used for Japanese and Chinese) don't use escapes any more > than the ISO 8859 or Windows 125x coding systems do. [Ack, I made a note to myself to read iso-2022 last week, and I haven't yet got round to it. I will.] > Aidan> Or maybe it would be a better idea to separate out the > Aidan> various iso-2022-based coding systems more explicitly, > > The iso-2022-{jp,kr,cn,int,int-2} family are all really the same > coding system from our point of view; just a generic 7-bit ISO 2022 > system. > EUC and X Compound Text are somewhat different, and much more > problematic because they specify initial contents of the GR register > _implicitly_. Is there much need to autodetect X Compound Text, though? (Sure, there will be for EUC-JP.) But X Compound Text is something that's seen in a few limited contexts, and pretty rarely, (IME) in a random file on disk. > [...] > Footnotes: > [1] The fish that Americans call "carp" is named "koi" in Japanese. I had no idea what either of them were until visiting Japan. I still don't anticipate ever having to use the word "carp" IRL :-) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 01:39:29 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E5cgIx023380; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:38:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E5ceRD023362 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:38:40 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8E5ceX3023361 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:38:40 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E5cZdq023331 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:38:35 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8E5cZQu023330 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:38:35 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E5cXtd023308; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:38:34 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C761M-0005Fr-00; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:38:28 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16701.35606.12316.764398@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87zn41wfot.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16703.10717.896988.875051@ns5.nestdesign.com> <873c1surze.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16710.1978.581147.54225@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:38:28 +0900 In-Reply-To: <16710.1978.581147.54225@ns5.nestdesign.com> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:48:58 +0100") Message-ID: <87656hpfzf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: >> [...] Right, but that's because there is no formal notion of >> character composition in Mule. Aidan> That wasn't ever finished, then? No, I mean there is no formal notion of character composition in Mule. A composite character is basically an index into a table of programs that create the glyphs. It's also true that we never implemented the redisplay parts, but that's a different issue. >> So? If they live in plane 13 or something, we just don't allow >> the user to specify a 16-bit internal representation. Aidan> [*Shudder* whoever mentioned having the user specifying the Aidan> internal representation? That's something that far too low Aidan> level for everyday use. ] Sure, but it will take a while to get the logic for autoswitching right, and there is simply no way for a program to get the tradeoff between widechar and multibyte representation right for all users. Maybe we call that "optimize for speed" vs "optimize for space", but some users are going to need those extra cycles/buffer positions. Aidan> If that's a way of nudging me to go and do all the Aidan> multiple-character-formats-in-one-build work, I'll do Aidan> UTF-16 first, if that's okay. If you're going to do the work, it's up to you. The only thing I would say is make sure that text with no surrogates never breaks because there is code to handle surrogates. It also may be a good idea to be able to fall back to "each surrogate is just a single unknown character" mode at runtime, in case of a bug that causes character counts to be off or something. But the easiest thing to do is UTF-8, because it's exactly the same as Mule once you tweak a few limit parameters on the generic character- counting code. Everything's already in place for that. Next easiest would be fixed-width, 16-bit BMP or 32-bit UCS-4 or UTF-32. There are probably subtle dependencies on char (vs short for UTF-16) in the variable-width handling code. So getting the extra 16 planes of UTF-16 right is likely to be hard. Aidan> I heard complaints that Mule wasn't Fast Enough ... Yeah, but it's really hard to pin that down to Mule, unless buffer-motion error-checking is enabled. It's certainly true that some things where XEmacs is godawful slow are really painful in Mule (like font-lock). But they're not really acceptably efficient in no-mule builds, either. Aidan> Umm. What does [denormalized UTF-8] give us? It gives us all fixed widths from 1 to 4 bytes wide, representing the entire range of Unicode characters, with no changes to the decoding code _or the search and regexp code_, and only trivial changes to encoding to pad Ibytes out to the current width. Relatively slow for Ibyte <-> Ichar conversions, but we never do more than about 4k of those at a time (ie, in redisplay). >> That's not what I mean by "auto-loading". That requires you to >> identify the windows-1252 coding system first. The problem is >> knowing whether you need the coding system or not, and that is >> going to require having the tables loaded. Aidan> No it doesn't. Ben Wing's Unicode detectors all work off Aidan> magic values, as does the shift_jis detector, the big5 Aidan> detector, and the iso2022 detector. Look again, you're confused by name overloading. Those are not coding system detectors, those are coding category detectors. We need to do better than that. For example, suppose the coding category approach says "genuine Unicode UTF-16" (we've seen a big-endian 16-bit BOM and a valid surrogate pair). Now what translation table(s) do we need to load for the Latin characters in order to use ordinary X iso8859-* fonts? Without character distribution information, we don't know. Note that `load-unicode-tables' just loads everything imlemented. Now you know why. Aidan> Yes, absolutely. This has its downside too, though Aidan> --cf. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html : Joel is simply spreading FUD, at least in this context. People who don't use Unicode or Content-Type headers in their web pages are the problem; the alternative to what IE and Mozilla do is to simply say "this crap is undisplayable, let's move on!" Of course we should do better for our users than just say "sorry", and we can do better than IE or GNU Emacs (as of last I checked) do. See next point. Aidan> We want to take as much language environment information as Aidan> is available to us when detecting these things, I think. Of course. But the first thing we need to do is to take back the power to decide encodings for the user. Mule should rank encodings, convert and redisplay according to the one it likes best, and if the top two are "too close" in likelihood, display a warning (remember, if the top two are Latin-1 and Latin-5 and we're down to character distribution for guessing, there's a good chance the user will _not_ see corruption on the first screenful). As in latin-unity, we should give the user a short ordered list of alternatives if he wants to munge the encoding, too. None of this "500 scripts you never heard of in alphabetical order" nonsense. Aidan> Wonder how much Serbian and Bulgarian's character Aidan> distribution varies from that of Russian? The Mozilla people tell me they do a pretty good job on all Western European languages with about 4k characters to work with, and there are commercial systems that do much better. Aidan> Is there much need to autodetect X Compound Text, though? Unfortunately, there are X applications that send ctext no matter what you ask them for. Aidan> I still don't anticipate ever having to use the word "carp" Aidan> IRL :-) Ah, my man! Not a Perl programmer, I see. (If you are, I'm not sure I want someone who doesn't "use carp" to be working on XEmacs! ;-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of david.ostrovsky@nordlb-it.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: "klaus.berndl@sdm.de" Subject: [Bug: 21.4.13] apropos is broken, if aliases to undefined functions exists X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! The problem description: The cedet-wrapper of ECB defines an alias for semantic-c-template-string which is named ecb--semantic-c-template-string. But semantic-c-template-stringis first and only loaded when loading a c- or c++-buffer into Emacs. If not this is an alias to an undefined function. This is IMO not a problem and should also not be a problem but cause of a bug in apropos which can not handle aliases to undefined functions (undefined at time when apropos is called!). BTW: With GNU Emacs 21 all is working fine. I think, that apropos function should be able to handle this situation, and my be report this alias as still not definded. And not crush. Here is the stack trace, if apropos called and aliases to undefined functions exists: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Signaling: (void-function ecb--semantic-c-template-string) ad-Orig-documentation(ecb--semantic-c-template-string t) documentation(ecb--semantic-c-template-string t) #(((:a-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:active-opstring nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:completion-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:face-reset-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:face-set-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:help-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:opstring nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:variable-reset-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (:variable-set-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (Installation-string nil "Description of XEmacs installation." "1 property (variable-documentation)" nil nil nil) (XA-string nil "Atom string eoncoding." "1 property (variable-documentation)" nil nil nil) (Xmask-hex-string "Convert MASK into a hexidecimal string." nil nil nil nil nil) (Xmask-string "Convert MASK into a string of 0s and 1s." nil nil nil nil nil) (abbrev-string-to-be-defined "Return the string for which an abbrev will be defined." nil nil nil nil nil) (ad-advised-definition-docstring-regexp nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (ad-docstring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (ad-make-advised-definition-docstring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (ad-make-advised-docstring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (ad-make-freeze-docstring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (ad-make-plain-docstring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (ad-make-single-advice-docstring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (base64-decode-string "Base64-decode STRING and return the result." nil nil nil nil nil) (base64-encode-string "Base64 encode STRING and return the result." nil nil nil nil nil) (buffer-string "Return the contents of the current buffer as a string." nil "1 property (setf-method)" nil nil nil) (buffer-substring "Return the contents of part of BUFFER as a string." nil "1 property (setf-method)" nil nil nil) (buffer-substring-no-properties "Return the text from START to END as a string, without copying the extents." nil nil nil nil nil) (capitalize-string-as-title "Capitalize the words in the string, except for small words (as in titles)." nil nil nil nil nil) (char-or-string-p "Return t if OBJECT is a character (or a char-int) or a string." nil nil nil nil nil) (char-to-string "Convert CHARACTER to a one-character string containing that character." nil nil nil nil nil) (check-itimer-coerce-string "If VAR is not bound to a string, look up the itimer that it names and" nil nil nil nil nil) (check-string "If VAR is not bound to a string, signal `wrong-type-argument'." nil nil nil nil nil) (choose-completion-string "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (cl-set-buffer-substring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (cl-set-substring "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (clearcase-fprop-fmt-string nil "Format for cleartool+describe command when reading the" "1 property (variable-documentation)" nil nil nil) (clearcase-get-version-string "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (clearcase-lsstream-fmt-string nil "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil) (clearcase-utl-1st-line-of-string "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (clearcase-utl-split-string "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (clearcase-utl-split-string-at-char "(not documented)" nil nil nil nil nil) (coding-system-doc-string "Return the doc string for CODING-SYSTEM." nil nil nil nil nil) (coding-system-docstring "Return the doc string for CODING-SYSTEM." nil nil nil nil nil) (comint-extract-string "Return string around POINT that starts the current line, or nil." nil nil nil nil nil) (comint-matching-input-from-input-string nil "Input previously used to match input history." "1 property (variable-documentation)" nil nil nil) (comint-previous-input -string "Return the string ARG places along the input ring." nil nil nil nil nil) (comint-previous-matching-input-string "Return the string matching REGEXP ARG places along the input ring." nil nil nil nil nil) (comint-previous-matching-input-string-position "Return the index matching REGEXP ARG places along the input ring." nil nil nil nil nil) (comint-send-string "Send PROCESS the contents of STRING as input." nil nil nil nil nil) (compare-buffer-substrings "Compare two substrings of two buffers; return result as number." nil nil nil nil nil) (compare-strings "Compare the contents of two strings." nil nil nil nil nil) (compile-buffer-substring "Get substring matched by INDEXth subexpression." nil nil nil nil nil) ...)) apropos-print(nil # nil) apropos("string" nil) call-interactively(apropos) command-execute(apropos t) execute-extended-command(nil) call-interactively(execute-extended-command) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- OS version: Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.4.13 "Rational FORTRAN" configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs in "d:\\xemacs\\xemacs-21.4-release\\nt". Using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -O2 -G5 -ML". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.4.13". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c: \\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Compiling in fast dired implementation. Using portable dumper. 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(tree-buffer-mouse-movement) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 05:03:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E93rAN011315; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:03:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E93pcR011300 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:03:51 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8E93pSN011299 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:03:51 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E93o5r011285 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:03:50 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8E93onT011284 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:03:50 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E93mA8011268 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:03:49 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C79Dn-00067b-00; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:03:31 +0900 To: David.Ostrovsky@nordlb-it.de References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:03:31 +0900 In-Reply-To: (David Ostrovsky's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:35:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87pt4pmdcs.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: "klaus.berndl@sdm.de" , XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.13] apropos is broken, if aliases to undefined functions exists X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Ostrovsky writes: David> apropos which can not handle aliases to undefined functions David> (undefined at time when apropos is called!). (progn (defalias 'nonexistent-string-function 'another-one) (apropos "string")) ==> Symbol's function definition is void: 'nonexistent-string-function OK, verified in 21.4.12 and 21.5.17. David> BTW: With GNU Emacs 21 all is working fine. I have a fix, but exactly what does GNU Emacs do? May as well emulate that unless it's insane. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 05:58:29 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E9wQCY027829; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:58:27 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E9wO9x027815 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:58:24 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8E9wOkm027814 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:58:24 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E9wLbc027782 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:58:21 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8E9wKnw027781 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:58:20 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8E9wKsw027768 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 05:58:20 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7A4p-0001p1-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:58:19 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:58:09 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:58:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:58:06 +0200 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:eUe441vnqFTqtfDQd7AQ2b9F5k4= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Norbert" == Norbert Koch writes: Norbert> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >> >>>>> "viteno" == Norbert Koch writes: >> viteno> Have you forgotten to commit .dummy >> >> More likely "cvs add .dummy". Norbert> Yup thanks, my choice of words was very misleading. Norbert> norbert. Oops I did that I thought. Shall I do it again, you did you do it already? Another thing inside the etc/auctex directory there should now be *two* directories 1. The directory styles/ as usual 2. The directory var/ with the file .dummy inside. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 06:11:21 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EABJZp031771; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:11:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EABH3B031758 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:11:17 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EABHHm031757 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:11:17 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EABELt031730 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:11:14 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EABDdP031729 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:11:14 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EABA3I031706 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:11:13 -0400 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7AHF-0002W0-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:11:09 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:11:09 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:11:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:00:30 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <86zn3tyxtt.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dXFoDS3zFAqfuEzDZAb+x7AIx0o= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Norbert" == Norbert Koch writes: Norbert> Uwe Brauer writes: >> Norbert could you please when you please for the moment being >> only *pre* release the auctex package [snip] Norbert> This is the long version of "the file's simply not Norbert> there". Have you forgotten to commit .dummy or does this Norbert> point out an error in the Makefile? Norbert> Touching the file lets me build the package. Very strange, There have been quite some files added in this version, in order to be sure I generated a patch and looked for lines starting with ? Since there have been none I concluded I cvs added all the relevant files. Uwe PS my patch seems never to appeared in the XEmacs-patch mailing list, at least not in gmanes mirror. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 06:37:45 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAbbeX008166; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:37:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAbZBx008151 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:37:35 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EAbZJ2008150 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:37:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAbYmM008134 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:37:34 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EAbYfm008133 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:37:34 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAbY49008125 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:37:34 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7Agn-0003Jt-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:37:33 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:37:33 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:37:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:37:31 +0200 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <861xh5yw44.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nqSxrgfyIAZH7v37bZMFbldFM1c= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Norbert" == Norbert Koch writes: Norbert> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >> >>>>> "viteno" == Norbert Koch writes: >> viteno> Have you forgotten to commit .dummy >> >> More likely "cvs add .dummy". Norbert> Yup thanks, my choice of words was very misleading. Norbert> norbert. Most likely yesterday when I did cvs update the .dummy file got deleted and as a matter of fact running make bindist did not work, I rechecked again, adding .dummy from my backup directory, now make bindist works, shall I commit it? I want to avoid more cvs mess. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 06:51:12 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EApBcp012790; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:51:11 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAp9ef012776 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:51:09 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EAp9mS012775 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:51:09 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAp8Gv012761 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:51:08 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EAp8g3012758 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:51:08 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAp8Tl012749 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:51:08 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7Atv-0007F0-OB for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:51:07 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7Atv-0006yR-8W for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:51:07 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86zn3tyxtt.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:51:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86zn3tyxtt.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:00:30 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: > PS my patch seems never to appeared in the XEmacs-patch mailing list, > at least not in gmanes mirror. I've seen it on -patches. norbert. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 06:53:01 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAqvU2013492; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:52:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAquxO013482 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:52:56 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EAqupR013481 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:52:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAqtVt013467 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:52:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EAqtO6013466 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:52:55 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EAqsXH013457 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 06:52:55 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7Ave-0007aa-Cs for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:52:54 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7Avd-0006ya-UA for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:52:53 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:52:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:58:06 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: > Oops I did that I thought. Shall I do it again, you did you do it > already? > Another thing inside the etc/auctex directory there should now be > *two* directories > 1. The directory styles/ as usual > 2. The directory var/ with the file .dummy inside. They're all missing. Could you try and re-add them? Maybe CVS is ignoring .dummy? The directories normally don't show up if they are empty. norbert. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 07:17:08 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBH02u020774; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:17:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBGxlf020758 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:16:59 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EBGwHq020757 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:16:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBGvVs020743 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:16:57 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EBGvIe020742 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:16:57 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBGvF6020734 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:16:57 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7BIu-0004cx-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:16:56 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:16:56 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:16:56 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:16:53 +0200 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <867jqxxfq2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oHk7TqxY+U3nEXaVocBz5xqEe0Q= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Norbert" == Norbert Koch writes: Norbert> Uwe Brauer writes: >> Oops I did that I thought. Shall I do it again, you did you do >> it already? Another thing inside the etc/auctex directory >> there should now be *two* directories >> 1. The directory styles/ as usual >> 2. The directory var/ with the file .dummy inside. Norbert> They're all missing. Could you try and re-add them? Norbert> Maybe CVS is ignoring .dummy? The directories normally Norbert> don't show up if they are empty. Norbert> norbert. You released it already successfully?! I try to cvs add it again and repeat the commitment. Steve Y has also some objections, maybe the recommitment will change it. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 07:25:14 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBPD7b023352; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBPCkI023343 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:12 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EBPCXn023342 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBPA68023317 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:10 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EBPAfi023314 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:10 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBP6iV023282 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:25:10 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7BQo-000DmR-Ei for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:25:06 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7BQn-0006zY-VZ for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:25:05 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <867jqxxfq2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:25:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <867jqxxfq2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:16:53 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: commit problems again. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: > You released it already successfully?! I try to cvs add it again and > repeat the commitment. Steve Y has also some objections, maybe the > recommitment will change it. Yes, after adding the dummy manually. Commit your changes and give me a heads-up when you're done with them. I can easily create a new version of the package. norbert. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 07:37:41 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBbdQe027107; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:37:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBbbKC027097 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:37:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EBbba0027096 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:37:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBbaTn027074 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:37:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EBba0F027073 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:37:36 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EBbaQt027065 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:37:36 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7Bct-0005Gr-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:37:35 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:37:35 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:37:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:37:32 +0200 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <86ekl5w077.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <867jqxxfq2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7g1YXOKq42tVbDAS8Qna3rnyb9I= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Norbert" == Norbert Koch writes: Norbert> Uwe Brauer writes: >> You released it already successfully?! I try to cvs add it >> again and repeat the commitment. Steve Y has also some >> objections, maybe the recommitment will change it. Norbert> Yes, after adding the dummy manually. Norbert> Commit your changes and give me a heads-up when you're Norbert> done with them. I can easily create a new version of the Norbert> package. I have recommited it, the version I commit allows me to generate via make bindist, a working pkg, at least it looks like one. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 08:35:03 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ECYpj7012700; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ECYn2Q012683 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:49 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ECYnAc012682 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ECYmgH012661 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:48 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ECYm2r012660 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:48 -0400 Received: from air.mai.liu.se (air.mai.liu.se [130.236.70.111]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ECYhb3012625; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:43 -0400 Received: from spamotron.isy.liu.se (spamotron.isy.liu.se [130.236.48.19]) by air.mai.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B9E10B132; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:34:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from air.mai.liu.se ([130.236.70.111]) by spamotron.isy.liu.se (spamotron.isy.liu.se [130.236.48.19]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 17442-03; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:34:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from water.mai.liu.se (water.mai.liu.se [130.236.70.113]) by air.mai.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF9810B12B; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:34:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from jalar@localhost) by water.mai.liu.se (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.2/Submit) id i8ECYfhk024805; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:34:41 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:34:40 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan-=C5ke?= Larsson To: Ralf Angeli Message-ID: <20040914123440.GA24755@mai.liu.se> References: <86sm9uuikp.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86r7pdrj5y.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <20040908080543.GA23540@mai.liu.se> <20040913150344.GA7588@mai.liu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mai.liu.se Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of jalar@mai.liu.se does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: auc-tex@sunsite.dk, Jerry James , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: XEmacs and search paths X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ralf Angeli wrote: > If something is long and complicated, it was usually written by me. Sorry, should've thought of that ;-) Actually I was confusing it with the code that establishes where to install preview-latex's latex style. Which is long and complicated (but written by David). > The speed of the function `TEX_INPUT_DIRS' is probably influenced > mostly by the time the calls to kpsewhich take. The rest of the > function is just some mumbo-jumbo to convert the output to a list of > strings. In that case a one-time run each session would not be too much (but I'm open to opinions). I guess we could use the argument for --with-tex-input-dirs as a fallback in case the runtime check fails. That is, in tex-site.el, set TeX-auto-global-fallback, and put the check that is done in autoconf in tex.el instead, to be performed upon load or on first use (please also test if 'kpsewhich' exists as an executable). That would save non-kpathsea systems too, at the price of some extra knowledge of the sysadmin. I have no time for coding just now, sorry. By the way, Solaris grep does not have -e. /JÅ -- Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems. 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Turnbull'" , David.Ostrovsky@nordlb-it.de Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:38:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of klaus.berndl@sdm.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: RE: [Bug: 21.4.13] apropos is broken, if aliases to undefined fun ctions exists X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>>>>> "David" == David Ostrovsky writes: > > David> apropos which can not handle aliases to undefined functions > David> (undefined at time when apropos is called!). > > (progn > (defalias 'nonexistent-string-function 'another-one) > (apropos "string")) > ==> Symbol's function definition is void: 'nonexistent-string-function > > OK, verified in 21.4.12 and 21.5.17. > > David> BTW: With GNU Emacs 21 all is working fine. > > I have a fix, but exactly what does GNU Emacs do? May as well emulate > that unless it's insane. here is the output of Emacs 21.3: multibyte-string-p Function: Return t if OBJECT is a multibyte string. nonexistent-string-function Function: (alias for undefined function) number-to-string Function: Convert NUMBER to a string by printing it in decimal. Plist: side-effect-free You see that "(alias for undefined function)" - IMHO XEmacs should do the same because this is the best imaginable way to handle such aliase - at least IMO ;-) Ciao Klaus From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 11:55:57 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EFtgrQ010550; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:43 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EFteOs010529 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:41 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EFteAI010528 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:40 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EFtdvK010509 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:39 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8EFtdp8010508 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:39 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8EFtdGK010477 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:55:39 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7FeZ-000G6a-D6 for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:55:35 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7FeY-00075a-UO for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:55:34 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org References: <86sm9muyhk.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k6uyp8ec.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86y8jefaef.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871xh5pfxg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <867jqx18b5.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <867jqxxfq2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86ekl5w077.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:55:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86ekl5w077.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:37:32 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: > Norbert> Commit your changes and give me a heads-up when you're > Norbert> done with them. I can easily create a new version of the > Norbert> package. > > I have recommited it, the version I commit allows me to generate via > make bindist, a working pkg, at least it looks like one. This one is now in the repository, but the two files in the etc/... directories are still missing, aren't they? norbert. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 17:15:09 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELEwQC007479; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:15:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELEt3B007459 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:14:55 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ELEtW1007458 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:14:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELEqSJ007432 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:14:52 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ELEqN4007431 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:14:52 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELEp1f007357 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:14:51 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so3160rnl for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.11.73 with SMTP id 73mr7630rnk; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.65 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a20f6530409141401299337a8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:01:43 -0700 From: Eric Zamore To: XEmacs Beta Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of fzamore@gmail.com designates 64.233.170.193 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] c-style comments with three slashes (///) X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Zamore List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Dear Bug Team! I am experiencing incorrect indentation after a three slash ("///") comment (in any C-related language). > The code line following a three slash comment is not indented properly > as in the following code snippet. > > void f() > { > int x; > > /// comment > x = 1; > } Incidentally, the error does not occur if the "int x;" line is removed. According to http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1475760, this is a bug in XEmacs 21.4.6 (although I'm using 21.4.15). Has anything been done about this? 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Update Tag Table: Class1 Malformed list: [("foo" variable (:type "Class1") (reparse-symbol local_variable_declaration) [195 206])] Update Tag Table: Class1 From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 17:47:00 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELkvmN017996; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:46:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELktxC017985 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:46:55 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ELktUH017984 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:46:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELkrtE017963 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:46:53 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ELkrS5017962 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:46:53 -0400 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com (mailout07.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.83]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ELkqwU017915; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:46:52 -0400 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C7L8V-0007jP-00; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:46:51 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (rCasKmZ-QeNioAlMfgczcDpLGgEdUqTjpWV4DcmubkkJ999YAuRCrO@[217.89.3.52]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C7L8G-07tC0O0; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:46:36 +0200 To: XEmacs Beta List X-Attribution: APA Organization: The XEmacs Project From: Adrian Aichner User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, windows-nt) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: <1xh4zfna.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: rCasKmZ-QeNioAlMfgczcDpLGgEdUqTjpWV4DcmubkkJ999YAuRCrO@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: c1a025b0-5ea5-4098-898f-44126b0fb83c Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8ELkqwU017915 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040913) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi Jerry! After updating from CVS at Compilation started at Tue Sep 14 22:51:55 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) I get following build error. Adrian > XEmacs Build Report generated by emacs-version > 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040823) XEmacs Lucid > with system-configuration > i586-pc-win32 > follows: > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040913) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040913)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\xemacs-21.5-cvs-update.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\ Compilation started at Tue Sep 14 22:51:55 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) ? file-error.txt P ChangeLog P INSTALL M Makefile.in.in P configure P configure.in P version.sh M info/dir P lisp/ChangeLog M lisp/build-report.el M lisp/font-lock.el M lisp/package-ui.el P lisp/packages.el M lisp/mule/devan-util.el P lwlib/ChangeLog P lwlib/xlwgauge.c rcsmerge: warning: conflicts during merge C man/ChangeLog P man/internals/internals.texi M man/lispref/hooks.texi P man/lispref/searching.texi P man/lispref/text.texi M man/lispref/windows.texi P modules/ChangeLog P modules/ldap/eldap.c P nt/ChangeLog P nt/xemacs.dsp rcsmerge: warning: conflicts during merge C src/ChangeLog P src/Makefile.in.in P src/alloc.c P src/buffer.c P src/cmdloop.c P src/commands.h P src/compiler.h P src/config.h.in P src/device-x.c P src/doprnt.c P src/emacs.c P src/eval.c P src/event-Xt.c M src/event-msw.c P src/event-stream.c P src/fns.c P src/frame-gtk.c M src/frame-impl.h P src/frame-x.c P src/gif_io.c P src/gifrlib.h P src/glyphs-eimage.c P src/gutter.c P src/intl-encap-win32.c P src/linuxplay.c P src/lisp.h P src/lread.c P src/mem-limits.h P src/minibuf.c P src/objects.c P src/objects.h M src/process-nt.c P src/process-unix.c P src/redisplay-x.c P src/search.c M src/window.c P src/s/windowsnt.h cvs server: Updating tests P tests/ChangeLog P tests/automated/regexp-tests.el Compilation finished at Tue Sep 14 22:53:30 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-all.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak all Compilation started at Tue Sep 14 23:30:57 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". 1 file(s) copied. 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src/etags.c(5371) : warning C4018: '!=' : signed/unsigned mismatch c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\gifrlib.h(149) : error C2159: more than one storage class specified c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\gifrlib.h(152) : error C2159: more than one storage class specified NMAKE: fatal error U1077: 'cl' : return code '0x2' -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 14 22:50:19 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F2o3Vt023012; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:50:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F2o1wQ022992 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:50:01 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F2o1q8022990 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:50:01 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F2nvj8022959 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:49:57 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F2nuHL022958 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:49:57 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F2ntLj022946 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:49:56 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F2nr9U004840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:49:54 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F2nroK004839; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:49:53 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431348 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Patches , XEmacs Beta List Subject: Re: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040913) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Adrian Aichner wrote: > Hi Jerry! Hi Adrian! > After updating from CVS at > Compilation started at Tue Sep 14 22:51:55 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) > I get following build error. Okay, I see it. The DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN macro has never been used with a declaration having the "extern" storage class before. On Windows, DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN expands to a form containing "extern". I would rather remove that "extern", but I don't know what effect that might have. I'll take the safe tack of removing the "extern" from the two declarations the Microsoft compiler was complaining about. If you happen to know why the "extern" is in the Windows DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN, I would appreciate being filled in. src/ChangeLog addition: 2004-09-14 Jerry James * gifrlib.h: Remove redundant extern declarations. xemacs-21.5 source patch: Diff command: cvs -q diff -uN Files affected: src/gifrlib.h Index: src/gifrlib.h =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/gifrlib.h,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -d -u -r1.6 gifrlib.h --- src/gifrlib.h 2004/09/14 14:32:50 1.6 +++ src/gifrlib.h 2004/09/15 04:17:33 @@ -145,11 +145,9 @@ ******************************************************************************/ extern void GifSetErrorFunc(GifFileType *GifFile, Gif_error_func func, VoidPtr data); extern void GifSetWarningFunc(GifFileType *GifFile, Gif_error_func func, VoidPtr data); -extern DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN (GifInternError(GifFileType *GifFile, - int errnum)); +DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN (GifInternError(GifFileType *GifFile, int errnum)); extern void GifInternWarning(GifFileType *GifFile, int errnum); -extern DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN (GifError(GifFileType *GifFile, - const char *err_str)); +DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN (GifError(GifFileType *GifFile, const char *err_str)); extern void GifWarning(GifFileType *GifFile, const char *err_str); /***************************************************************************** -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 00:35:33 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4ZWtB016231; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:35:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4ZTqr016210 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:35:29 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F4ZTEb016208 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:35:29 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4ZQfl016190 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:35:26 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F4ZQ3r016189 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:35:26 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4ZPAg016160 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:35:26 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8F4ZGSj024748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:35:16 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4ZGnt031724 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:35:16 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F4ZGP9031723; Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:35:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: XEmacs Beta From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: GNU make + Microsoft compiler? X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org A few months ago, Ville Vainio told me where to get a Microsoft compiler: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=du7r7tl1evt.fsf%40lehtori.cc.tut.fi I got it, but it is the compiler only. I don't get to have nmake. Does anybody know if it is possible to use Cygwin's GNU make in conjunction with the Microsoft compiler to do native builds? I'd like to avoid introducing Windows build problems with my patches. :-( Thanks, -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 00:58:18 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4wG5p020607; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:58:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4wEwH020594 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:58:14 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F4wEMZ020593 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:58:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4wD3m020582 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:58:13 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F4wDfh020581 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:58:13 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F4wDFE020575 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:58:13 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7Rrw-0002gP-On for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:58:12 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7Rrw-000Ane-3D for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:58:12 +0200 To: XEmacs beta References: From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:58:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:49:51 +1000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: My last patch to auctex "echo sanity > auctex" X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Steve Youngs writes: > BTW, Steve T, did the patch get spam trapped or are the lists on a > go-slow again? Have you sent a copy to the maintainer (oub@xemacs.org) as well? He at least might have received it :-) Thanks for looking into this, norbert. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 01:24:26 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F5OObT024332; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:24:24 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F5OMPK024322 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:24:22 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F5OMsK024321 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:24:22 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F5OLGr024310 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:24:21 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F5OLSU024309 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:24:21 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F5OJri024298 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:24:19 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7SHC-00062S-Jq for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:24:19 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7SHC-000Asa-3F for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:24:18 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:24:17 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== xwem-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.2 Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none auctex-1.40-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 11.53 calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/xwem/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-15 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.16 released. 2004-09-15 Steve Youngs * lisp/xwem-icons.el (xwem-icons-cl-icon): Allow for a user set icon path. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8F6HGIZ031555 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040914) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org On to the next problem ... > XEmacs Build Report generated by emacs-version > 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040823) XEmacs Lucid > with system-configuration > i586-pc-win32 > follows: > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040914) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040914)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\xemacs-21.5-cvs-update.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\ Compilation started at Wed Sep 15 07:57:32 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) ? file-error.txt M Makefile.in.in P version.sh M info/dir M lisp/build-report.el M lisp/font-lock.el M lisp/package-ui.el M lisp/mule/devan-util.el C man/ChangeLog M man/lispref/hooks.texi M man/lispref/windows.texi P modules/ChangeLog P modules/ldap/eldap.c M src/ChangeLog P src/doprnt.c M src/event-msw.c M src/frame-impl.h P src/gifrlib.h P src/glyphs-gtk.c P src/glyphs.h M src/process-nt.c M src/window.c cvs server: Updating tests cvs server: Updating tests/DLL Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Wed Sep 15 07:58:53 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-all.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak all Compilation started at Wed Sep 15 08:15:14 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". 1 file(s) copied. 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src/etags.c(5371) : warning C4018: '!=' : signed/unsigned mismatch c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\buffer.c(344) : error C2159: more than one storage class specified NMAKE: fatal error U1077: 'cl' : return code '0x2' -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 02:28:23 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F6SDJr000759; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:28:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F6SCER000746 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:28:12 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F6SCK4000745 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:28:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F6SAjW000728 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:28:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F6SAUf000727 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:28:10 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F6S87g000714 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:28:09 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F6S7KB010857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:28:07 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F6S7XU010856; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:28:07 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: steve,ret References: From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431348 days till X-Day. 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He > at least might have received it :-) Pretty sure I did. I usually do... 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: XEmacs Packages have been pre-released 2004-09-15-09 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey there everyone. I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== xwem-1.17-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.2 Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none auctex-1.40-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 11.53 calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/xwem/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-15 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.17 released. 2004-09-15 Steve Youngs * lisp/xwem-icons.el (xwem-icons-cl-icon): Remove redundant `if' in previous patch. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. Footnotes: [1] Note: Mule packages should be installed into: /usr/local/lib/xemacs/mule-packages/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBR/+Qgu3ywdHdhM0RAtHbAJoC23Ta30JFMVNNtbkbRc5f0GrOfwCfQMju Pt4O4+KS7FUayh5QMrYlKAs= =K5X3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 04:45:04 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8hb7p028956; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:43:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8esBD028039 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:40:54 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F8esuA028038 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:40:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8erwQ028019 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:40:53 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F8ercT028018 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:40:53 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8eqwl028009; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:40:53 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7VLR-0002ww-00; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:40:53 +0900 To: Jerry James References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:40:53 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:08:00 -0500") Message-ID: <87sm9jlyay.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 04:51:50 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8oS8I031023; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:50:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8oQ5L031009 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:50:26 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F8oQUn031008 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:50:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8oPRH030993 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:50:25 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F8oPML030992 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:50:25 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F8oOpP030983; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:50:24 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7VUe-0002yZ-00; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:50:24 +0900 To: Jerry James References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:50:24 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:53:59 -0500") Message-ID: <87k6uvlxv3.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Referring to enum types [was: [AC21.5] Shadow warning elimination] X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry James writes: Jerry> However, I noticed that most places use "enum Jerry> image_instance_type" instead of "image_instance_type" for Jerry> the type name, so I changed the few remaining instances and Jerry> eliminated the typedef instead. I really prefer explicitly mentioning that something is an enum, as enum types in C really give you no protection from assignment of non-enum values. It's nice to have the extra information, and I'd like to encourage use of "enum foo" rather than "typedef enum foo foo". How do others feel? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 05:05:45 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F94Mhg001857; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:04:22 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F94K9D001843 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:04:20 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F94KbP001842 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:04:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F94Jf7001830 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:04:19 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8F94JN7001828 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:04:19 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8F94IUJ001816; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:04:19 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7Vi6-000393-00; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:04:18 +0900 To: Jerry James , mike@xemacs.org References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:04:18 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:39:04 -0500") Message-ID: <87fz5jlx7x.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [AC21.5] Make callproc.c really go away X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry James writes: Jerry> Anybody who understands the [toplevel] Makefile.in.in Jerry> comment [regarding infopath and callproc.c], please speak up! Bug Mikey, I think. He's the one who cleaned up the Info mess and made it oh so automagical IIRC. Mike? My take FWIW is let's just nuke the comment and remark that the Make variable (which is a standard GNU thing) is unused now. We probably ought to get rid of INFOPATH_USER_DEFINED, too, and the reference to PATH_INFOPATH in emacs.c, and make specifying --infopath to configure a warning. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 06:16:35 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FAGWmc016425; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:16:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FAGUQE016407 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:16:30 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FAGUeq016406 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:16:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FAGShn016388 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:16:29 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FAGSaD016387 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:16:28 -0400 Received: from mx1.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (mx1.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.5]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FAGG77016314; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:16:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBA517A; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:16:10 +0200 (DFT) Received: from mx1.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29406-03; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:16:09 +0200 (DFT) Received: from Michael-Sperbers-Computer.deinprogramm.de (sams.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.50]) by mx1.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3FA172; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:16:09 +0200 (DFT) Received: by Michael-Sperbers-Computer.deinprogramm.de (Postfix, from userid 2246) id 4F4451A92E3; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:14:53 +0200 (CEST) To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" References: <87fz5jlx7x.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> From: Michael Sperber Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:14:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87fz5jlx7x.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:04:18 +0900") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of sperber@deinprogramm.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: mike@xemacs.org, Jerry James , XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [AC21.5] Make callproc.c really go away X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull writes: >>>>> "Jerry" == Jerry James writes: Jerry> Anybody who understands the [toplevel] Makefile.in.in Jerry> comment [regarding infopath and callproc.c], please speak up! Stephen> Bug Mikey, I think. He's the one who cleaned up the Info mess and Stephen> made it oh so automagical IIRC. Mike? No, that wasn't me. The automagical part was by Oscar Figueiredo. Then there's a lot of Ben stuff afterwards. -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 10:36:01 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FEZwGd020163; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:35:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FEZubE020152 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:35:56 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FEZudt020151 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FEZtAT020138 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:35:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FEZtLk020137 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:35:55 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FEZtWi020097; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:35:55 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8FEZkMg008186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:35:46 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FEZkvk000841; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:35:46 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FEZkiG000840; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:35:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Adrian Aichner References: From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:35:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Adrian Aichner's message of "Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:18:24 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Just think how boring your life would be without me around to perturb the sources now and then. :-) > c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\buffer.c(344) : error C2159: more than one storage class specified Right. Now we are hitting functions declared static, and the extern in the Windows version of the macro doesn't go with that. Let's try yanking that extern out and see if anything breaks. Can you try this patch for me? Index: src/s/windowsnt.h =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/s/windowsnt.h,v retrieving revision 1.30 diff -d -u -r1.30 windowsnt.h --- src/s/windowsnt.h 2004/09/14 14:33:07 1.30 +++ src/s/windowsnt.h 2004/09/15 14:33:16 @@ -243,7 +243,7 @@ #if (_MSC_VER >= 1200) #define DOESNT_RETURN_TYPE(rettype) __declspec(noreturn) rettype #define DECLARE_DOESNT_RETURN_TYPE(rettype,decl) \ - __declspec(noreturn) extern rettype XCDECL decl + __declspec(noreturn) rettype XCDECL decl #endif /* MSVC 6.0 */ /* MSVC warnings no-no crap. When adding one to this section, Thanks! -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 11:11:55 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FFBrZI029473; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:11:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FFAEnR028947 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:10:14 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FFAE5O028944 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:10:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FFAB3C028929 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:10:12 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8FFABPT028928 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:10:11 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8FFAB9M028896; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:10:11 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id D89DD328018; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:10:04 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16712.23372.745910.747321@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:10:04 +0100 To: "Stephen J. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an ceathrú lá déag de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > Aidan> If that's a way of nudging me to go and do all the > Aidan> multiple-character-formats-in-one-build work, I'll do > Aidan> UTF-16 first, if that's okay. > > If you're going to do the work, it's up to you. The only thing I > would say is make sure that text with no surrogates never breaks > because there is code to handle surrogates. That's okay--I have assertions all over the place (!valid_utf_16_surrogate(), etc.)--and I'm not going to let that code out without having tickled them as much as I can. > It also may be a good idea to be able to fall back to "each surrogate is > just a single unknown character" mode at runtime, in case of a bug that > causes character counts to be off or something. Yeah, it might be worth considering. But, once all the direct Ibyte pointer dereferencing and ++ing is gone, the character counting will all be in the same small abstraction, so it should break quickly and obviously when I make a mistake. > But the easiest thing to do is UTF-8, because it's exactly the same as > Mule once you tweak a few limit parameters on the generic character- > counting code. For some value of "easiest." There are still the coding systems to rewrite :-) I'm sticking with four-byte-max-length UTF-8 at the moment, so the limits are the same for that. > Aidan> No it doesn't. Ben Wing's Unicode detectors all work off > Aidan> magic values, as does the shift_jis detector, the big5 > Aidan> detector, and the iso2022 detector. > > Look again, you're confused by name overloading. Those are not coding > system detectors, those are coding category detectors. We need to do > better than that. For example, suppose the coding category approach > says "genuine Unicode UTF-16" (we've seen a big-endian 16-bit BOM and > a valid surrogate pair). Now what translation table(s) do we need to > load for the Latin characters in order to use ordinary X iso8859-* > fonts? Without character distribution information, we don't know. And without going through the buffer and working it out, we can't know. Something that works that out, isn't a coding system detector either, going by the definition of "coding system" in the Manual and the Lispref. More "coding system prognosticator." Okay, so let's link each X11 font registry-with-encoding and a coding system, and have an ordered list of those available that varies with language environment, and whether fonts with the those X11 r-with-es are available. So the ucs-2 -> iso10646-1 entry will be before the East Asian ones, for the Yoorpeans among us[1], and the chinese-cns11643 entry probably won't be there at all. This ordered list will be buffer-local, so one buffer reading in Chinese in a non-Han language environment won't suddenly have other buffers preferring the Big5 em dash to the adobe-standard or the windows-1252 one. The first time redisplay happens for a buffer, we try to encode the text run using the first preferred coding system (say, iso-8859-2). If it succeeds for the entire text, then great, display the encoded text using the available X font with the corresponding r-with-e. (We have ensured that the X font exists, at startup.) If it doesn't, start from the first point it failed, which will (almost certainly) be non-ASCII, and move through that ordered list of coding systems, trying to encode that (probably non-ASCII, and possibly single-item) cluster. As we successfully encode something, re-order the list by the number of non-ASCII characters successfully encoded for each entry, with those coding systems that haven't yet encoded anything successfully at the end. This depends on the coding systems being screamingly fast, and could probably be implemented with a caching scheme that I'm not describing here. This kind of relies on the corresponding coding systems being screamingly fast. However, since we're no longer using character sets that explicitly correspond to X11 font encoding, constant recoding _will_ be needed, if we're to continue using X11 server side fonts. (It doesn't seem like it'll be as much of an issue with the more Unicode-oriented text display APIs in the world, though we will still need to take note of which fonts have various characters or character ranges available.) Alternative; on startup, take a list of the distinct X11 font registry-with-encodings available from the X server. Load each of the coding systems associated with them, and those coding systems' from-Unicode mapping tables. Merge the mapping tables into one mapping table in a language-specific order, keeping the information about which coding system and X11 registry-with-encoding a given area of the map came from, as we merge. So, at this point, we've one virtual font mapping table that covers as much of Unicode as can be displayed on this X server, and to display $random_unicode_codepoint, we look it up in this mapping table. If there's no entry, display tilde, GETA MARK, or an empty block, choice to be made later. If there is an entry, load a graphics context with a font with the associated registry and encoding (the X font of the selected face if possible, but if not, fall back)--information taken from the mapping table--transform using that coding system, and call XDrawString using the encoded text. There are 42 font registries available on my system at the minute--of those, we can ignore misc-fontspecific, sunolcursor-1, sunolglyph-1, adobe-fontspecific, iso646.1991-irv, fontspecific-0, iso8859-6.16 and iso8859-6.8x (these last two are vendor-specific presentation forms for Arabic; we don't yet support complicated rendering to the extent necessary for Arabic, to my knowledge.). That's thirty-four. They are iso8859-[1-16], adobe-{standard,symbol}, four distinct JIS registries, four koi8 variants, four IBM code pages, tis620-2 (Thai), ksc5601-1987-0, a couple of Chinese GB entries, and microsoft-{cp1252,symbol}. So, fortyish coding systems loaded on startup; and a stupidly expensive XListFontsWithInfo call at the same time. Or, a loop through XLoadQueryFont(dpy, "... *-registry-encoding") for each of the X11 registry-with-encodings we know about. What you're describing, if I'm reading you correctly, is a lazy version of this latter, with the query for the X11 fonts happening as we work out what parts of the Unicode codespace a buffer holds. In the general sense, there's no heuristic way of predicting this--a UTF-8 encoded plain text file in French may routinely be Latin-1 all the way for the first four k, and then someone goes and uses U+0153 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE and we have to go and look up ISO8859-15. Or there were no Windows-125N fonts available from the server and we encounter a directed quotation mark in an otherwise Cyrillic file. So, with this lazy loading, every time we display a portion of a buffer, we need to make sure that we've loaded any fonts necessary for _every character in that portion._ Sure, we can make it faster if we guess the portion of the Unicode code space the buffer's using; but we do still have to check. In that context, coding system "prognostication" doesn't give us much, and what it does is only for X11 server fonts. In the context of reading in data that we detect as being iso-8859-whatever, we can make assertions about the unicode code space covered from the off, so yes, admittedly, it's still useful there. Not so much for actual unicode. This craziness is specific to systems with X11 server-side fonts. For the other graphical systems, it's more a matter of looking for coverage of various corners of the Unicode code space through the fonts that are available to us. (We'll have to do that for the server-side fonts too, if we're to use Markus Kuhn's -misc-fixed*-iso10646-1 fonts.) > Note that `load-unicode-tables' just loads everything imlemented. Now > you know why. Hmm, yeah. :-/ . > [...] Mule should rank encodings, convert and redisplay according to the > one it likes best, and if the top two are "too close" in likelihood, > display a warning (remember, if the top two are Latin-1 and Latin-5 and > we're down to character distribution for guessing, there's a good chance > the user will _not_ see corruption on the first screenful). > > As in latin-unity, we should give the user a short ordered list of > alternatives if he wants to munge the encoding, too. None of this > "500 scripts you never heard of in alphabetical order" nonsense. Cool, that all makes sense. > Aidan> Wonder how much Serbian and Bulgarian's character > Aidan> distribution varies from that of Russian? > > The Mozilla people tell me they do a pretty good job on all Western > European languages with about 4k characters to work with, and there > are commercial systems that do much better. Western European? Hmm, okay, and the Romance languages are at least as mutually similar in character distribution as are the Cyrillic Slav ones. That's encouraging. > Aidan> Is there much need to autodetect X Compound Text, though? > > Unfortunately, there are X applications that send ctext no matter what > you ask them for. Wahey. > Aidan> I still don't anticipate ever having to use the word "carp" > Aidan> IRL :-) > > Ah, my man! Not a Perl programmer, I see. (If you are, I'm not sure > I want someone who doesn't "use carp" to be working on XEmacs! ;-) Heh. Fair cop :-). Yes, I use Perl, and yes I use Carp all the time there. I could make some feeble defence that I think in words, not homonyms (the verb is from both Old Norse and Romance at the same time, says the OED--that's kind of impressive--while the noun is pure Norman in the attestations) but then I was the person who accused my friend the other evening of spending too much money talking to husky voices on premium-rate phone lines and yelped and barked to demonstrate my point. [1] And perhaps even those Americans who use such un-American frippery as typographical symbols worth the name :-) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: Aidan> Something that works that out, isn't a coding system Aidan> detector either, going by the definition of "coding system" Aidan> in the Manual and the Lispref. Huh? Please give me references so I can fix the documentation. Until you've specified what charsets are being used in an ISO 2022-based coding system, you don't have a coding system at all. Aidan> This ordered list will be buffer-local, Huh? It only matters at detection-time. So the only way it can acquire a buffer-local value is if the user gives it one. That's a non-starter. Aidan> The first time redisplay happens for a buffer, we try to Aidan> encode the text run using the first preferred coding system Aidan> (say, iso-8859-2). Huh? Redisplay doesn't work that way. You already know what the characters in the buffer are, no detection of encoding is necessary. There is no possibility of collision of dumbquotes with a Big5 hanzi; Mule code is a strictly finer partition than Unicode where the sets overlap. You also have to remember that every extent can potentially specify redisplay properties. Really the only way to do this is character by character. Aidan> However, since we're no longer using character sets that Aidan> explicitly correspond to X11 font encoding, Of course we will be, implicitly in redisplay. There simply is no way around that, unless we want perfectly good text to show up randomly as spaces or empty boxes. The fact that Mule takes them seriously is an heuristic and always has been. Note that the scheme you propose has the "feature" that by editing the buffer the fonts used to display unchanged characters may change _in redisplay_ (of course if font-lock decides that some token has changed type, and it explicitly resets the font, that's OK). That sucks. Aidan> Alternative; on startup, take a list of the distinct X11 Aidan> font registry-with-encodings available from the X Aidan> server. Load each of the coding systems associated with Aidan> them, and those coding systems' from-Unicode mapping Aidan> tables. Merge the mapping tables into one mapping table in Aidan> a language-specific order, Users will have different opinions about this, and one user may have multiple opinions depending on buffer content. Aidan> keeping the information about which coding system and X11 Aidan> registry-with-encoding a given area of the map came from, Aidan> as we merge. So, at this point, we've one virtual font Aidan> mapping table that covers as much of Unicode as can be Aidan> displayed on this X server, and to display Aidan> $random_unicode_codepoint, we look it up in this mapping Aidan> table. And you either have a lot of screamingly unhappy translators and Buddhist scholars, or potentially a full Unicode mapping table per extent. Premature optimization is the root of all error. Aidan> What you're describing, if I'm reading you correctly, is a Aidan> lazy version of this latter, with the query for the X11 Aidan> fonts happening as we work out what parts of the Unicode Aidan> codespace a buffer holds. That's not quite accurate. I'm not sure offhand where the fonts actually get XQuery[Load]Font'ed, but we have to have an awful lot of information to do the configuration stuff at startup. Remember, XEmacs is a long-running process, the startup overhead is just too great. So lazy-loading stuff where possible makes a lot of sense. Aidan> In the general sense, there's no heuristic way of Aidan> predicting this--a UTF-8 encoded plain text file in French Aidan> may routinely be Latin-1 all the way for the first four k, Aidan> and then someone goes and uses U+0153 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE Aidan> OE and we have to go and look up ISO8859-15. So is this a big fscking deal? We do it the first time it happens, and the user lives happily ever after. No? Aidan> Sure, we can make it faster Unless you're communicating with the X server across a 14.4k modem line, this kind of stuff will never cause noticable delay, except for the big XListFonts[WithInfo]. We cache that, and life goes on. Aidan> This craziness is specific to systems with X11 server-side Aidan> fonts. For the other graphical systems, it's more a matter Aidan> of looking for coverage of various corners of the Unicode Aidan> code space through the fonts that are available to Aidan> us. (We'll have to do that for the server-side fonts too, Aidan> if we're to use Markus Kuhn's -misc-fixed*-iso10646-1 Aidan> fonts.) It's not obvious to me that that isn't the way to go, period. Instead of taking the user's specification of an XLFD seriously, we parse it and convert to fontconfig as soon as we see it. Then fontconfig does the rest. >> Note that `load-unicode-tables' just loads everything >> imlemented. Now you know why. Aidan> Hmm, yeah. :-/ . It's not a big deal. Time is negligible, we spend most of the startup time stat'ing packages. Space is not (about 850KB for me), but RAM is cheap, and if people bitch it's a couple hours work to make that list customizable so that people can screw themselves for the sake of a few dozen KB. Aidan> Is there much need to autodetect X Compound Text, though? >> Unfortunately, there are X applications that send ctext no >> matter what you ask them for. Aidan> Wahey. "Welcome to X11, the de facto substandard." I think that's from jwz, but it might have been Ben, or a quote. Really the problem is that the CADT model of software development is nothing new (sorry Jamie), and the only way to avoid it is monopoly. (AT&T, IBM, Apple, and Microsoft all do/did pretty well at upholding their internal == industry standards; I don't know of any consortium standard that is honored more in the observance than the breach.) http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html Aidan> [1] And perhaps even those Americans who use such Aidan> un-American frippery as typographical symbols worth the Aidan> name :-) dumbquotes aren't dumb because they're directed, they're dumb because they're part of a deliberate campaign to monopolize. Anybody who uses Windows 125x is guilty of aiding and abetting, not only monopoly, but the public health hazard that that monopoly creates. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 15 20:29:14 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G0TD7o020543; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G0TAaW020532 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:11 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8G0TAb0020531 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G0TAWX020517 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:10 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8G0TASh020516 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:10 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G0T9Ek020505; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:09 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7k93-0006l2-00; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:29:05 +0900 To: Michael Sperber References: <87fz5jlx7x.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: mike@xemacs.org, Jerry James , XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [AC21.5] Make callproc.c really go away X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "ms" == Michael Sperber writes: ms> No, that wasn't me. The automagical part was by Oscar ms> Figueiredo. Then there's a lot of Ben stuff afterwards. I _knew_ you were the right guy to ask. You're never to blame, but you always finger the guy(s) who is! :-) -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of kcomstock@atmos.washington.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.13] Crash writing .m files X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! This is the second crash this week. I only know that I was editing a matlab .m file both times. Thanks for your help. ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux tweety.build.redhat.com 2.4.21-14.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Apr 14 18:55:47 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ./configure 'i386-redhat-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--with-gpm=no' '--with-sound=native' '--with-pop' '--mail-locking=lockf' '--with-clash-detection' '--debug=yes' '--with-mule=yes' '--with-database=berkdb' '--with-ldap=yes' '--with-hesiod=no' '--with-canna=yes' '--with-wnn=yes' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-widgets=athena' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-msw=no' '--with-xfs=yes' '--pdump' XEmacs 21.4.13 "Rational FORTRAN" configured for `i386-redhat-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/src/build/394749-i386/BUILD/xemacs-21.4.13 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Compiling in support for LDAP. Compiling in support for PostgreSQL. - Using PostgreSQL header file: libpq-fe.h - Using PostgreSQL V7 bindings. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule. Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (~/emacs/matlab ~/emacs/matlab /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/timezone /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/timezone /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/share/xemacs-21.4.13/lisp/build-report /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/alist /usr/share/xemacs-21.4.13/lisp/alist) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- ((zenirc:version 1.13 :type regular) (xslt-process :version 1.11 :type regular) (xslide :version 1.08 :type regular) (xemacs-devel :version 1.58 :type single-file) (xemacs-base :version 1.78 :type regular) (w3 :version 1.28 :type regular) (vm :version 7.14 :type regular) (viper :version 1.36 :type regular) (view-process :version 1.12 :type regular) (vhdl :version 1.17 :type regular) (vc-cc :version 1.21 :type regular) (vc :version 1.37 :type regular) (tramp :version 1.16 :type regular) (tpu :version 1.12 :type regular) (tooltalk :version 1.13 :type regular) (tm :version 1.36 :type regular) (time :version 1.13 :type regular) (textools :version 1.14 :type regular) (text-modes :version 1.63 :type single-file) (texinfo :version 1.24 :type regular) (supercite :version 1.19 :type regular) (strokes :version 1.08 :type regular) (speedbar :version 1.26 :type regular) (sounds-wav :version 1.1 :type regular) (sounds-au :version 1.1 :type regular) (sml-mode :version 0.09 :type regular) (slider :version 1.13 :type regular) (sieve :version 1.13 :type regular) (sh-script :version 1.17 :type regular) (sgml :version 1.08 :type regular) (semantic :version 1.17 :type regular) (scheme :version 1.13 :type regular) (sasl :version 1.13 :type regular) (ruby-modes :version 1.01 :type regular) (rmail :version 1.13 :type regular) (reftex :version 1.3 :type regular) (python-modes :version 1.02 :type single-file) (psgml-dtds :version 1.02 :type regular) (psgml :version 1.41 :type regular) (ps-print :version 1.08 :type regular) (prog-modes :version 1 .83 :type single-file) (pgg :version 1.03 :type regular) (perl-modes :version 1.04 :type single-file) (pcomplete :version 1.02 :type regular) (pcl-cvs :version 1.64 :type regular) (pc :version 1.25 :type single-file) (os-utils :version 1.32 :type single-file) (oo-browser :version 1.03 :type regular) (ocaml :version 0.04 :type regular) (net-utils :version 1.32 :type single-file) (mmm-mode :version 1.0 :type regular) (misc-games :version 1.16 :type single-file) (mine :version 1.14 :type regular) (mh-e :version 1.23 :type regular) (mew :version 1.17 :type regular) (mailcrypt :version 2.12 :type regular) (mail-lib :version 1.6 :type regular) (liece :version 1.12 :type regular) (jde :version 1.45 :type regular) (ispell :version 1.24 :type regular) (ilisp :version 1.32 :type regular) (igrep :version 1.1 :type regular) (idlwave :version 1.3 :type regular) (ibuffer :version 1.08 :type regular) (hyperbole :version 1.12 :type regular) (hm--html-menus :version 1.21 :type regular) (haskell-mode :version 1.05 :type regular) (gnus :version 1.71 :type regular) (gnats :version 1.15 :type regular) (games :version 1.14 :type regular) (fsf-compat :version 1.12 :type single-file) (frame-icon :version 1.09 :type regular) (fortran-modes :version 1.02 :type single-file) (forms :version 1.14 :type regular) (footnote :version 1.15 :type regular) (eudc :version 1.38 :type regular) (eterm :version 1.13 :type regular) (ess :version 1.04 :type regular) (eshell :version 1.05 :type regular) (emerge :version 1.09 :type regular) (elib :version 1.1 :type single-file) (eieio :version 1.04 :type regular) (efs :version 1.29 :type regular) (edt :version 1.12 :type regular) (edit-utils :version 2.07 :type single-file) (ediff :version 1.47 :type regular) (edebug :version 1.18 :type regular) (ecrypto :version 0.13 :type regular) (ecb :version 1.1 :type regular) (docbookide :version 0.06 :type regular) (dired :version 1.13 :type regular) (dictionary :version 1.12 :type regular) (debug :version 1.16 :type regular) (crisp :version 1.12 :type regular) (cookie :version 1.14 :type regular) (clearcase :version 1.06 :type regular) (cc-mode :version 1.39 :type regular) (calendar :version 1.21 :type regular) (calc :version 1.23 :type regular) (c-support :version 1.16 :type single-file) (build :version 1.1 :type regular) (bbdb :version 1.23 :type regular) (auctex :version 1.35 :type regular) (ada :version 1.13 :type regular) (skk :version 1.23 :type regular) (mule-ucs :version 1.04 :type regular) (mule-base :version 1.43 :type regular) (lookup :version 1.13 :type regular) (locale :version 1.2 :type regular) (leim :version 1.21 :type regular) (latin-unity :version 1.07 :type regular) (egg-its :version 1.26 :type regular) (edict :version 1.15 :type regular)) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 annotations efs-cu env dired-faces dired-xemacs dired mwheel pending-del font-lock cus-face zenirc-autoloads xslt-process-autoloads xslide-autoloads xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads viper-autoloads view-process-autoloads vhdl-autoloads vc-cc-autoloads vc-autoloads tramp-autoloads tpu-autoloads tooltalk-autoloads tm-autoloads time-autoloads textools-autoloads text-modes-autoloads texinfo-autoloads supercite-autoloads strokes-autoloads speedbar-autoloads sounds-wav-autoloads sounds-au-autoloads sml-mode-autoloads slider-autoloads sieve-autoloads sh-script-autoloads sgml-autoloads semantic-autoloads scheme-autoloads sasl-autoloads ruby-modes-autoloads rmail-autoloads reftex-autoloads python-modes-autoloads psgml-dtds-autoloads psgml-autoloads ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads pgg-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads pc-autoloads os-utils-autoloads oo-browser-autoloads ocaml-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mine-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mew-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads liece-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads idlwave-autoloads ibuffer-autoloads hyperbole-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads haskell-mode-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads games-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads frame-icon-autoloads fortran-modes-autoloads forms-autoloads footnote-autoloads eudc-autoloads eterm-autoloads ess-autoloads eshell-autoloads emerge-autoloads elib-autoloads eieio-autoloads efs-autoloads edt-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads edebug-autoloads ecrypto-autoloads ecb-autoloads docbookide-autoloads dired-autoloads dictionary-autoloads debug-autoloads crisp-autoloads cookie-autoloads clearcase-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads build-autoloads bbdb-autoloads auctex-autoloads apel-autoloads ada-autoloads skk-autoloads mule-ucs-autoloads mule-base-autoloads lookup-autoloads locale-autoloads leim-autoloads latin-unity-autoloads egg-its-autoloads edict-autoloads lisp-autoloads loadhist auto-show fontl-hooks x-iso8859-1 canna-leim slovenian czech romanian ccl mule-help code-cmds gutter-items menubar-items x-menubar mode-motion mouse itimer auto-save lisp-mode easymenu iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete cus-file derived frame text-props obsolete cus-start custom widget cl-extra mini-cl cl cl-19 packages backquote very-early-lisp postgresqlv7 postgresql CANNA file-coding wnn mule lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars athena-dialogs x c-balloon-help tty-frames tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar unix-processes multicast network-streams subprocesses modules menu-accelerator-support menubar berkeley-db md5 xemacs xim gutter tiff png gif jpeg xpm xbm lisp-float-type linux dialog devices window-system base64) Recent keystrokes: ----------------- misc-user button1 button1up button1 button1up RET button1 button1up RET BS button1 button1up button1 button1up button2 button2up left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left right left right right BS BS BS RET misc-user button1 button1up misc-user misc-user misc-user button1 button1up RET button1 button1up RET button1 button1up RET misc-user Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Parsing /home/disk/eos1/kcomstock/.mailrc... Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... (New file) Loading annotations...done Loading annotations... Loading efs-cu...done Loading efs-cu... Reading directory /home/disk/eos1/kcomstock/.saves-*...done Reading directory /home/disk/eos1/kcomstock/.saves-*... Loading env...done Loading env... Loading dired...done Loading dired-mule...done Loading dired-mule... Loading dired... Loading mwheel...done Loading mwheel... Loading pending-del...done Loading pending-del... 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Cygwin trouble X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I've been forced to use Windows the last few days, so I updated my Cygwin installation and tried to build the latest XEmacs CVS. It doesn't work with pdump. (I haven't tried without pdump yet.) I'm not sure if this is related to the problems discussed a few months ago when the insert-data-in-exec stuff went in. Here's what I know. I am using Windows 2000 Professional, with all patches available via Windows Update installed. (I also have a Windows XP machine around, but I haven't tried that one yet.) I have an up-to-the-minute Cygwin installation, including DLL version 1.5.11-1, binutils 20040725-2, and gcc 3.3.3-3. I am running as Administrator. The compiling and linking steps appear to proceed without trouble, but when the temacs.exe executable is run immediately afterward, a box pops up saying, "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000005). Click on OK to terminate the application." Running temacs.exe in gdb shows that it doesn't even get to main() before blowing up. If I turn on all the PE-specific debugging features in gdb and run temacs.exe, I get a bunch of DLL loading messages, then this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ gdb: kernel event for pid=988 tid=1480 code=EXCEPTION_DEBUG_EVENT) gdb: Target exception EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION at 0x77f90d53 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. gdb: child_resume (pid=-1, step=0, sig=11); ContinueDebugEvent (cpid=988, ctid=1480, DBG_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED); gdb: kernel event for pid=980 tid=1480 code=EXCEPTION_DEBUG_EVENT) gdb: Target exception EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION at 0x77fb14f4 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. gdb: child_resume (pid=-1, step=0, sig=11); ContinueDebugEvent (cpid=988, ctid=1480, DBG_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED); gdb: kernel event for pid=980 tid=1480 code=EXCEPTION_DEBUG_EVENT) gdb: Target exception EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION at 0x77fb14f4 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. gdb: child_resume (pid=-1, step=0, sig=11); ContinueDebugEvent (cpid=988, ctid=1480, DBG_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED); gdb: kernel event for pid=980 tid=1480 code=EXIT_PROCESS_DEBUG_EVENT Program exited with code 0200. ContinueDebugEvent (cpid=988, ctid=1480, DBG_CONTINUE); gdb: child_close, inferior_ptid=1480 You can't do that without a process to debug. (gdb) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I wondered if some kind of DLL problem is to blame, so I fired up Dependency Walker 2.1.3623. It doesn't show any significant problems at first. If I tell it to profile the execution with all of its logging stuff turned on, I get the usual information about the application, then this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Started"d:\cygwin\home\administrator\build\src\TEMACS.EXE"(process 0x5D4) at address 0x00400000 by thread 1. Cannot hook module. Loaded"c:\winnt\system32\NTDLL.DLL" at address 0x77F80000 by thread 1. Cannot hook module. [snip a bunch more DLL load messages of this type, none of which can be hooked.] First chance exception 0xC0000005 (Access Violation) occurred in "c:\winnt\system32\NTDLL.DLL" at address 0x77F90D53 by thread 1. First chance exception 0xC0000005 (Access Violation) occurred in "c:\winnt\system32\NTDLL.DLL" at address 0x77FB14F4 by thread 1. Second chance exception 0xC0000005 (Access Violation) occurred in "c:\winnt\system32\NTDLL.DLL" at address 0x77FB14F4 by thread 1. 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I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== xwem-1.18-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.2 Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none auctex-1.40-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 11.53 calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/xwem/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-16 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.18 released. 2004-09-15 Steve Youngs * lisp/xwem-clients.el (xwem-client-info): Typo fix. car -> cdr. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. Footnotes: [1] Note: Mule packages should be installed into: /usr/local/lib/xemacs/mule-packages/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBSTezgu3ywdHdhM0RAhGnAJ40lNPgTt7QlW4Kk+wSGGKd40kn6gCfXbZu RbqhIxHEykQtBWyGEAVQiSc= =5HYk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 04:22:20 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G8M7ss009449; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:22:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G8M4Fi009435 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:22:04 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8G8M407009434 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:22:04 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G8M3BT009418 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:22:03 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8G8M3J4009417 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:22:03 -0400 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.44]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8G8M1L7009400 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:22:02 -0400 Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i8G8M0Oo014552 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [147.96.22.210] (tillina.fis.ucm.es [147.96.22.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i8G8Lvs0029624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7719036B-07B9-11D9-BF96-003065DC0824@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: XEmacs Beta From: Artemio Gonzalez Lopez Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:21:53 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of artemiog@mac.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: latest auctex fails to compile on Mac OS X with xemacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Compiling the latest aucte with the option --xemacs on Mac OS X 10.3.5 fails with the following error messages: Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/tex.el... Wrote /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/tex.elc Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/tex-buf.el... While compiling toplevel forms in file /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/tex-buf.el: !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) >>Error occurred processing tex-buf.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized char table type, syntax-table Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/latex.el... While compiling toplevel forms in file /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/latex.el: !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) >>Error occurred processing latex.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized char table type, syntax-table Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/tex-info.el... While compiling toplevel forms in file /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/tex-info.el: !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) >>Error occurred processing tex-info.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized char table type, syntax-table Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/texmathp.el... Wrote /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/texmathp.elc <....> Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/context.el... While compiling toplevel forms in file /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/context.el: !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) >>Error occurred processing context.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized char table type, syntax-table Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/context-en.el... While compiling toplevel forms in file /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/context-en.el: !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) >>Error occurred processing context-en.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized char table type, syntax-table Compiling /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/context-nl.el... While compiling toplevel forms in file /Users/artemio/Archive/auctex/context-nl.el: !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) >>Error occurred processing context-nl.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized char table type, syntax-table Compilation without the --xemacs option succeeds, however. Any fix for this? 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Norbert" == Norbert Koch writes: Norbert> Uwe Brauer writes: Commit your changes Norbert> and give me a heads-up when you're done with them. I can Norbert> easily create a new version of the package. >> >> I have recommited it, the version I commit allows me to >> generate via make bindist, a working pkg, at least it looks >> like one. Norbert> This one is now in the repository, but the two files in Norbert> the etc/... directories are still missing, aren't they? No not for me, that is my bindist contains etc/auctex/style (with a lot of el files) etc/auctex/var (with the .dummy file) This is really odd. I shall download the pkg from pre-release dir. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 07:35:39 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBZK3o024513; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:35:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBZH93024502 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:35:17 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GBZHVe024501 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:35:17 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBZGaD024486 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:35:16 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GBZGIT024485 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:35:16 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBZFm1024475 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:35:16 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7uXj-0006au-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:35:15 +0200 Received: from maportatil06.quim.ucm.es ([147.96.6.221]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:35:15 +0200 Received: from oub by maportatil06.quim.ucm.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:35:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Uwe Brauer Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:35:12 +0200 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <86pt4mcuq7.fsf@mat.ucm.es> References: <7719036B-07B9-11D9-BF96-003065DC0824@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: maportatil06.quim.ucm.es User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0IKSDekMskvZ9mlvld2Tgk3HRIc= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: latest auctex fails to compile on Mac OS X with xemacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Artemio" == Artemio Gonzalez Lopez writes: Artemio> Compiling the latest aucte with the option --xemacs on Artemio> Mac OS X 10.3.5 fails with the following error messages: May be better ask in the auctex list, they might have deeper knowledge of the compiling process on different platforms. Uwe Brauer From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 07:59:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBxewp029391; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBxcjP029373 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:38 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GBxcLk029371 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:38 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBxbwR029358 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:37 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GBxbcT029357 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:37 -0400 Received: from mail.LF.net (mail.LF.net [212.9.160.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GBxZUj029347 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:59:35 -0400 Received: from arafel.viteno.net ([213.178.172.254]) by mail.LF.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C7uvG-000Ahz-T6 for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:59:35 +0200 Received: from nk by arafel.viteno.net with local (Exim 4.42 (FreeBSD)) id 1C7uvG-000K7r-Dl for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:59:34 +0200 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Norbert Koch X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:59:34 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: XEmacs Packages have been pre-released 2004-09-16-13 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey there everyone. I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== ecrypto-0.18-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.0 Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none auctex-1.40-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 11.53 calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xwem-1.18-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.2 Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/ecrypto/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-16 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 0.18 released. 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * hex-util.el: Add arch-tag cookie. 2004-09-12 Simon Josefsson * sha1-dl.el: Removed. 2004-09-12 Simon Josefsson * sha1-el.el, password.el: Gnus CVS sync changes for the the following ChangeLog entries, until 2004-02-09 below. 2004-09-01 Simon Josefsson * sha1-el.el: Renamed to sha1.el. 2004-08-04 Teodor Zlatanov * password.el: add comments on using password-read-and-add (password-read-and-add): new function to read and add the password to the cache at once 2004-03-05 Jesper Harder * sha1-el.el (sha1-maximum-internal-length): Doc fix. 2004-03-04 Katsumi Yamaoka * password.el: Don't autoload run-at-time for Emacs. * sha1-el.el: Don't autoload executable-find. 2004-01-07 Katsumi Yamaoka * sha1-el.el (sha1-string-external): Use with-temp-buffer. 2004-01-07 Katsumi Yamaoka * sha1-el.el (sha1-string-external): Make it can return a string in binary form. (sha1-region-external): Ditto. (sha1-string-internal): Ditto. (sha1-region-internal): Ditto. (sha1-region): Ditto. (sha1-string): Ditto. (sha1): Ditto. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. Footnotes: [1] Note: Mule packages should be installed into: /usr/local/lib/xemacs/mule-packages/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBSYAmgu3ywdHdhM0RAtxlAJ9tKrexKKGjSeKXkkiJAMl84OuRXQCg9aUH kz4jDv6FV/iSwKl6CnUyllc= =349K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 08:33:43 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCXerZ002871; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:40 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCXcvj002861 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:38 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GCXcxJ002859 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:38 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCXbuo002845 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:37 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GCXbD2002844 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:37 -0400 Received: from mail.cpinternet.com (mail.cpinternet.com [209.240.224.4]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCXa3A002838 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:33:36 -0400 X-Node: 3 Received: from customer-mpls-23.cpinternet.com (customer-mpls-23.cpinternet.com [209.240.253.23]) by mail.cpinternet.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8GCXZ3f010860 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:33:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mharnois.mdharnois.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by customer-mpls-23.cpinternet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B703EA624 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:33:35 -0500 (CDT) To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org In-Reply-To: (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:43:52 +0900") References: <873cbutif5.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8ylln4om.fsf@smtpmail.t-online.de> From: mharnois@cpinternet.com (Michael D. Harnois) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:33:35 -0500 Message-ID: <874qly1jhc.fsf@customer-mpls-23.cpinternet.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of mharnois@cpinternet.com designates 209.240.224.4 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make start-itimer punctual (Re: run-at-time capricious) X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Was there a reason this patch didn't go into 21.5? > APPROVE COMMIT 21.4 > > Thanks for the patch - it will appear in 21.4.15. > > - Vin > > Katsumi Yamaoka writes: >> Hi, >> >> I read itimer.el thoroughly and made a patch fixing the bug on >> which start-itimer does not work as the value specified by the >> first argument TIME when other timers are running. This bug is >> brought about because the difference of the present time and the >> time when the itimer driver was woken up will be subtracted from >> the specified value TIME. I solved it by adding the difference >> to TIME beforehand. It is helpful to run-at-time as well. >> >> Don't forget to load itimer.elc when you test it. :) >> >> 2003-12-12 Katsumi Yamaoka >> >> * itimer.el (activate-itimer): Modify the itimer timeout value as >> if it were begun at the last time when the itimer driver was woken >> up. >> >> --- itimer.el~ 2001-04-12 18:21:28 +0000 >> +++ itimer.el 2003-12-12 00:43:13 +0000 >> @@ -406,6 +406,14 @@ >> (error "itimer named \"%s\" already existing and activated" >> (itimer-name itimer)))) >> (let ((inhibit-quit t)) >> + (if itimer-timer >> + ;; Modify the itimer timeout value as if it were begun >> + ;; at the last time when the itimer driver was woken up. >> + (set-itimer-value >> + itimer >> + (+ (itimer-value itimer) >> + (itimer-time-difference (current-time) >> + itimer-timer-last-wakeup)))) >> ;; add the itimer to the global list >> (setq itimer-list (cons itimer itimer-list)) >> ;; If the itimer process is scheduled to wake up too late for -- Michael D. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: latest auctex fails to compile on Mac OS X with xemacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Artemio Gonzalez Lopez (2004-09-16) writes: > Compiling the latest aucte with the option --xemacs on Mac OS X 10.3.5 > fails with the following error messages: [...] > !! Invalid constant (("Unrecognized char table type" syntax-table)) > >>Error occurred processing tex-buf.el: Invalid constant: Unrecognized > char table type, syntax-table That's fixed in AUCTeX's CVS. Thanks for the report. But please use the AUCTeX mailing list for bug reports about AUCTeX. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 08:50:25 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCoDKc006226; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:50:17 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCoCP2006219 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:50:12 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GCoCZl006218 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:50:12 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCoBqA006198 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:50:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GCoBZW006196 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:50:11 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GCoA07006189 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:50:10 -0400 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7viD-0000Tj-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:50:09 +0200 Received: from dialin-212-144-209-224.arcor-ip.net ([212.144.209.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:50:09 +0200 Received: from angeli by dialin-212-144-209-224.arcor-ip.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:50:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Ralf Angeli Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:42:39 +0200 Lines: 18 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-212-144-209-224.arcor-ip.net Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:19xCQDP4Y4NqgF2EFabZ1mM9Oew= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: XEmacs/AUCTeX package remarks X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org After looking at the auctex-1.40 package I have the following remarks: * The "PROBLEMS" file does not exist anymore in the upstream package. * If the package system will overwrite tex-site.el, it is not a good advice to edit the file in order to adapt `TeX-macro-global'. Rather point the users to site-start.el or default.el (or whatever XEmacs uses) or suggest to use `M-x customize-variable'. * Please mark the changes done for XEmacs properly to allow the users to address the right people when doing bug reports or flames. For example if you want to keep the message which informs the user to customize `TeX-macro-global', you could add a `(message "This annoyance by courtesy of XEmacs")'. (Sorry for this sarcastic remark, but I still don't like this.) -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 10:03:59 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GE3u1S021297; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GE3sdC021288 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:54 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GE3s6C021287 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GE3pwv021272 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:51 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GE3pu0021270 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (202-62-95-37.cityonlines.com [202.62.95.37] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GE3fSd021214 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:03:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200409161403.i8GE3fSd021214@gwyn.tux.org> FROM: thomasg@ifi.uio.no TO: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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In this archive you can find all those things, you asked me. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org See you. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of nk@viteno.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: XEmacs Packages have been pre-released 2004-09-16-15 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey there everyone. I have just added the following packages to the 'Pre-Releases' directory: New Packages in Pre-Release: =========================== mail-lib-1.68-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none pgg-1.05-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.1 sasl-1.15-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.14.4 sieve-1.17-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none Previously Announced Packages Still in Pre-Release: ================================================== Sun-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none auctex-1.40-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 11.53 calc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.02fX3 ecb-1.19-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.27 ecrypto-0.18-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 2.0 riece-1.16-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 1.0.3 text-modes-1.79-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-base-1.88-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xemacs-devel-1.65-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: none xwem-1.18-pkg.tar.gz upstream version: 0.2 Detailed Changes: ================ - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/mail-lib/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-16 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.68 released. 2004-05-28 Simon Josefsson * smtpmail.texi (Authentication): Improve STARTTLS discussion. 2004-02-29 Simon Josefsson * smtpmail.texi (Authentication): Changed the list of supported authentication mechanisms from CRAM-MD5, PLAIN and LOGIN-MD5 to CRAM-MD5 and LOGIN, tiny patch from Andreas Voegele . 2003-04-23 Simon Josefsson * smtpmail.texi: Fix license (the invariant sections mentioned has never been part of the smtp manual). Align info dir entry with other emacs packages. 2004-08-04 Teodor Zlatanov * netrc.el: removed old encryption support, autoload gnus-encrypt.el (netrc-parse): use gnus-encrypt.el functions 2004-05-23 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen * netrc.el (netrc-services-file): New variable. (netrc-parse-services): New function. (netrc-find-service-name): New function. (netrc-find-service-number): New function. (netrc-port-equal): New function. (netrc-machine): Use it. 2004-01-05 Teodor Zlatanov * netrc.el: autoload password-read (netrc): new configuration group (netrc-encoding-method, netrc-openssl-path): configuration variables for encoding and decoding of files with symmetric ciphers (netrc-encode): assistant function to encode a file with netrc-encoding-method (netrc-parse): added interactive parameter, added optional decoding if netrc-encoding-method is non-nil but otherwise behavior is standard (netrc-encrypting-method, netrc-encrypt, netrc-parse): s/encode/encrypt/ everywhere 2004-01-05 Jesper Harder * netrc.el (netrc-point-at-eol): Replace with point-at-eol. 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * rfc2104.el: Add arch cookie. 2003-09-20 Simon Josefsson * tls.el (tls-process-connection-type): Doc fix. - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/pgg/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-16 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.05 released. 2004-08-31 Reiner Steib * pgg.texi: Use @copying and @insertcopying. 2004-01-17 Jesper Harder * pgg.texi (User Commands, Backend methods): do. 2004-01-05 Simon Josefsson * pgg.texi (Caching passphrase): Fix PGG passphrase caching section. 2003-09-14 Jesper Harder * pgg.texi (Selecting an implementation, Caching passphrase) (Initializing): Markup fix. 2003-05-17 Adrian Aichner * pgg.texi (Prerequisites): Ruthless typo fixing. * pgg.texi (Architecture): Ditto. * pgg.texi (Backend methods): Ditto. 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * Makefile (REQUIRES): Add ecrypto, for password.el. * pgg.el: Sync with Gnus CVS until and including 2003-07-24 entry below. 2004-01-05 Simon Josefsson * pgg.el (pgg-passphrase-cache, pgg-run-at-time): Remove. (pgg-add-passphrase-cache, pgg-remove-passphrase-cache): Use the password package. 2003-12-12 Katsumi Yamaoka * pgg.el (pgg-run-at-time): Ditto. 2003-12-10 Katsumi Yamaoka * pgg.el (pgg-run-at-time): New function. (pgg-add-passphrase-cache): Use it. 2003-10-27 Simon Josefsson * pgg.el (pgg-decrypt-region): Don't set pgg-default-user-id. 2003-07-24 Jesper Harder * pgg.el: Reapply changes from 2003-04-03 to fix security problem. See http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-339 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * pgg-pgp.el, pgg-pgp5.el: Sync with Gnus CVS until and including 2003-07-24 entry below. 2004-07-28 Simon Josefsson * pgg-pgp5.el (pgg-pgp5-encrypt-region): Accept sign parameter (but don't use it, for now). 2004-05-19 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen * pgg-pgp.el (pgg-pgp-verify-region): Clean up. 2004-05-19 Michael Schierl * pgg-pgp.el (pgg-pgp-verify-region): Default when signature isn't a string. 2003-07-28 Dave Love * pgg-pgp.el, pgg-pgp5.el: Require cl when compiling. 2003-07-24 Jesper Harder * pgg-pgp.el, pgg-pgp5.el: Reapply changes from 2003-04-03 to fix security problem. See http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-339 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * pgg-parse.el: Sync with Gnus CVS until and including 2003-12-10 entry below. 2004-01-15 Jesper Harder * pgg-parse.el: Remove unnecessary (require 'custom). 2003-12-10 Simon Josefsson * pgg-parse.el (pgg-decode-packets): Rewrite to handle corrupt input. (pgg-decode-armor-region): Don't parse packet if decoding fail. 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * pgg-gpg.el: Sync with Gnus CVS until and including 2003-07-24 entry below. 2003-12-07 Simon Josefsson * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-recipient-arg): Add. (pgg-gpg-encrypt-region): Use it. Tiny patch from Lloyd Zusman . (pgg-gpg-recipient-argument): Doc fix. Renamed fro p-g-r-a. (pgg-gpg-encrypt-region): Update. 2003-11-15 Simon Josefsson * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-lookup-all-secret-keys) (pgg-gpg-lookup-key): Use regexp match instead of split-string (split-string is different between emacs 21.2 and 21.4). Reported by ultrasoul@ultrasoul.com (David D. Smith). 2003-11-09 Simon Josefsson * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-encrypt-region): Cache passphrase under hex key id too (for decryption). (pgg-gpg-sign-region): Likewise. 2003-11-09 Simon Josefsson * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-all-secret-keys): New variable. (pgg-gpg-lookup-all-secret-keys): New function. (pgg-gpg-select-matching-key): Likewise. (pgg-gpg-decrypt-region): Use new functions. From Satyaki Das . 2003-10-27 Simon Josefsson * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-possibly-cache-passphrase): New optional parameter key, overrides the key id used to store passphrase under (uses true key id from gpg output if nil). (pgg-gpg-encrypt-region): Search for passphrase using user suplied string STR, instead of (pgg-lookup-key STR t). (pgg-gpg-encrypt-region): Store passphrase under user suplied string, instead of real key id taken from gpg output. (pgg-gpg-decrypt-region): Likewise. (pgg-gpg-sign-region): Likewise. 2003-08-09 Jesper Harder * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-extra-args): Fix customization type. 2003-08-07 Jesper Harder * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-process-region): Bind default-enable-multibyte-characters to nil. 2003-07-28 Dave Love * pgg-gpg.el: Require cl when compiling. 2003-07-24 Jesper Harder * pgg-gpg.el (pgg-gpg-process-region): Add "--yes" to options. * pgg-gpg.el: Reapply changes from 2003-04-03 to fix security problem. See http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-339 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * pgg-def.el: Sync with Gnus CVS until and including 2003-10-02 entry below 2004-01-15 Jesper Harder * pgg-def.el: Remove unnecessary (require 'custom). 2003-11-10 Simon Josefsson * pgg-def.el (pgg-encrypt-for-me): Change default from nil to t. 2003-10-02 Jesper Harder * pgg-def.el (pgg-default-keyserver-address): Change to subkeys.pgp.net. From Michael Shields - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/sasl/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-16 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.15 released. 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * *.el: Sync with Gnus CVS. 2004-01-05 Katsumi Yamaoka * ntlm.el (ntlm-string-as-unibyte): New macro. (ntlm-build-auth-response): Use it. 2004-01-05 Simon Josefsson * ntlm.el: Fix namespace. Change smb-passwd-hash into ntlm-smb-passwd-hash, smb-owf-encrypt into ntlm-smb-owf-encrypt, smb-passwd-hash into ntlm-smb-passwd-hash, smbdes-e-p16 into ntlm-smb-des-e-p16, smbdes-e-p24 into ntlm-smb-des-e-p24, smbhash into ntlm-smb-hash, smb-sp8 into ntlm-smb-sp8, smb-str-to-key into ntlm-smb-str-to-key, smb-dohash into ntlm-smb-dohash, smb-perm1 into ntlm-smb-perm1, smb-perm2 into ntlm-smb-perm2, smb-perm3 into ntlm-smb-perm3, smb-perm4 into ntlm-smb-perm4, smb-perm5 into ntlm-smb-perm5, smb-perm6 into ntlm-smb-perm6, smb-sc into ntlm-smb-sc, smb-sbox into ntlm-smb-sbox, string-permute into ntlm-string-permute, string-lshift into ntlm-string-lshift, string-xor into ntlm-string-xor. Suggested by Jesper Harder . * ntlm.el: Don't include poem. 2004-01-05 Simon Josefsson * hmac-md5.el (md5-binary): Fix byte compile warning. (This probably breaks emacs with DL patch, but do we care? Is anyone still using the DL stuff?) - ------- ChangeLog Entries from xemacs-packages/sieve/ChangeLog ------- 2004-09-16 Norbert Koch * Makefile (VERSION): XEmacs package 1.17 released. 2004-08-31 Reiner Steib * sieve.texi: Use @copying and @insertcopying. 2004-01-17 Jesper Harder * sieve.texi (Manage Sieve API): nil -> @code{nil}. 2004-09-16 Simon Josefsson * sieve.el, sieve-manage.el, sieve-mode.el: Sync with Gnus CVS. 2004-09-13 Simon Josefsson * sieve.el (sieve-manage-mode): Fix menu for XEmacs, reported by Steve Youngs and suggested by Katsumi Yamaoka . 2004-04-25 Jesper Harder * sieve-manage.el (sieve-manage-open): Simplify mapcar usage. Use mapc when appropriate. 2004-03-04 Katsumi Yamaoka * sieve-mode.el: Don't autoload c-mode. 2004-02-03 Jesper Harder * sieve.el (sieve-deactivate-all): Fix format string mismatch. Installing These: ================ Manually: - -------- 1) Download the packages that you want to install from: /ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages/ 2) Unpack them to: [1] /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/ 3) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.[245].x): - ---------------------------------------------- 1) Tools -> Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Tools -> Packages -> List and Install 3) Select the packages you wish to install (there are brief instructions at the bottom of the packages buffer). 4) Packages -> Install/Remove Selected 5) Re-start XEmacs. Using XEmacs Package Tools (XEmacs 21.1.14): - ------------------------------------------- 1) Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> Pre-Releases 2) Options -> Manage Packages -> List and Install 3 - 5) As per XEmacs 21.[245].x. norbert - XEmacs Package Release Manager. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: XEmacs/AUCTeX package remarks X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: Ralf> After looking at the auctex-1.40 package I have the Ralf> following remarks: This pkg is still in testing, I am fiddling around with Steve Youngs, since a lot of things still not settled down. That's why I haven't even announced it for testing for the public. Ralf> * The "PROBLEMS" file does not exist anymore in the upstream Ralf> package. Ok, I will delete it Ralf> * If the package system will overwrite tex-site.el, it is Ralf> not a good advice to edit the file in order to adapt Ralf> `TeX-macro-global'. Rather point the users to Ralf> site-start.el or default.el (or whatever XEmacs uses) or Ralf> suggest to use `M-x customize-variable'. It should be *system* wide, that is the problem and thats why the doc string talks about administrator rights. This is just a variable the XEmacs pkg system cannot know about. Configure can, but the package system does not use configure. Note please that the package system intents to work on *all* platforms. (See the previous discussions we had.) Ralf> * Please mark the changes done for XEmacs properly to allow Ralf> the users to address the right people when doing bug Ralf> reports or flames. For example if you want to keep the Ralf> message which informs the user to customize Ralf> `TeX-macro-global', you could add a `(message "This Ralf> annoyance by courtesy of XEmacs")'. (Sorry for this Ralf> sarcastic remark, but I still don't like this.) I don't see the point, the users uses an XEmacs pkg, not the mainstream auctex pkg. When I shall announce the release I will mention the fact that now such a message will appear. However this message should be as kept as simple and short as possible (and I am not sure it is anyhow) putting political correct statements of this sort do not help. This message will be a test, if indeed people write zillons of complain I might delete it. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 11:21:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GFLWfb005891; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:21:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GFJKT4005522 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:20 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GFJK2k005521 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GFJH4L005505 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:17 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GFJHpY005504 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:17 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GFJFwO005495 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:19:16 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C7y2C-0001UB-00; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:18:56 +0900 To: Kimberly Comstock References: <200409160105.i8G15EUn008830@sonde.atmos.washington.edu> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:18:56 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200409160105.i8G15EUn008830@sonde.atmos.washington.edu> (Kimberly Comstock's message of "Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:05:14 -0700") Message-ID: <873c1ijl7j.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.13] Crash writing .m files X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Kimberly" == Kimberly Comstock writes: Kimberly> This is the second crash this week. I only know that I Kimberly> was editing a matlab .m file both times. I don't see any of the usual suspects (Motif, in particular) in your configuration, so there's not much we can do without a backtrace. Unless editing matlab files _always_ crashes, or editing a particular .m always crashes, we really need you to get us a backtrace. Enable core files from the shell with "ulimit -c unlimited" (assuming bash). Then run XEmacs from that shell. If and when xemacs crashes, run gdb `which xemacs` core | tee xemacs.bt and type bt at the gdb prompt. Send us the saved results from the file xemacs.bt. The core file's name may not be "core", it might have a process number or something to identify it, and it may not live in the same directory where you staryted xemacs, although that is most common. If the crashing worries you and you're willing to try anything to avoid it, for now I can only suggest upgrading to 21.4.15, although I don't know for sure that any crashes got fixed in the interim. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Turnbull" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:23:28 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:49:51 +1000") Message-ID: <87y8jai6fj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Sent through by hand. I'll try to get that fixed this weekend. Thanks for the heads-up! -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: My last patch to auctex "echo sanity > auctex" X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Stephen J Turnbull writes: >>>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs writes: SY> BTW, Steve T, did the patch get spam trapped or are the lists SY> on a go-slow again? > spam-trapped (auctex seems to do this regularly for that recipe). Maybe it thinks "tex" is an obfuscation of "sex" > Sent through by hand. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Debian oddies: auctex X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello The following drives me crazy: I have uninstalled the official auctex pkg, no auctex pkg in the 3rd party packages $prefix/site-packages or $HOME/.xemacs/xemacs-packages I start with xemacs -q & And then C-h v TeX-lisp-directory returns /usr/share/xemacs21/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/ Which is nonsense anyhow. Note that locate-library tex-site does not return anything. When I start xemacs -q -no-site-file & Then C-h v TeX-lisp-directory Does not return anything as it should. So there seems some cache value around. I wonder if this is a Debian thing, could anybody check please, Stephen T? 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 13:28:38 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GHSWcQ030625; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:28:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GHSUab030612 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:28:30 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GHSULM030611 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:28:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GHSTNu030587 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:28:29 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GHSTnv030586 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:28:29 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GHSPPB030557 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:28:29 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8GHSFro021200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:28:15 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GHSF2l005276 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:28:15 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GHSFQZ005275; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:28:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: XEmacs Beta From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Unused structure fields & enum values, and prototypes with no def X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I'm still working on getting Uno up to speed on checking our sources. We're allllmmooooossssstttt there. It's still doing some funny stuff with the comma operator and with function types declared in parameter lists, and some internal buffer I haven't located yet is overflowing in the global property checker. But that's a short list compared to what has been fixed already. :-) Here's the latest news from Uno, though: a list of structure fields and enum values that don't appear to be used anywhere, with a few prototypes with no matching functions thrown in for good measure. If anybody knows anything about any of these, please speak up. In particular, should we get rid of or comment out any of them? charset.h:228, unicode_table_loaded in struct Lisp_Charset console-impl.h:164, frame_redraw_cursor_method in struct console_methods console-impl.h:233, resize_subwindow_method in struct console_methods Note that this one is set for Windows in glyphs-msw.c (see Fresize_subwindow), but doesn't appear to be *used* anywhere. glyphs.h:91, IMAGE_GEOMETRY, IMAGE_MIN_GEOMETRY, and IMAGE_MAX_GEOMETRY in enum image_instance_geometry lrecord.h:196, lrecord_type_popup_data in enum lrecord_type lisp.h:3641-3647, enum arith_comparison lisp.h:3648, function prototype arithcompare lisp.h:3984&3986, OPERATION_CREATE_OBJECT and OPERATION_MODIFY_OBJECT_PROPERTY in enum check_allowed_operation EmacsShell.c is using the system assert (/usr/include/assert.h) instead of the assert used everywhere else (see lisp.h). There's more, but that's all I have time to deal with right now. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 14:15:25 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GIFBfa005101; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:15:22 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GIFAAl005090 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:15:10 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GIFAe1005089 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:15:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GIF8CI005077 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:15:08 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GIF8kp005076 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:15:08 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GIF7SU005048 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:15:08 -0400 Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C80mh-0004Cg-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:15:07 +0200 Received: from dialin-212-144-212-106.arcor-ip.net ([212.144.212.106]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:15:07 +0200 Received: from angeli by dialin-212-144-212-106.arcor-ip.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:15:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Ralf Angeli Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:16:47 +0200 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <867jquqou6.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-212-144-212-106.arcor-ip.net Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xlpeAhluBdvY4ODyVs/Edg5K1a8= Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: XEmacs/AUCTeX package remarks X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org * Uwe Brauer (2004-09-16) writes: >>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Angeli writes: > > Ralf> * If the package system will overwrite tex-site.el, it is > Ralf> not a good advice to edit the file in order to adapt > Ralf> `TeX-macro-global'. Rather point the users to > Ralf> site-start.el or default.el (or whatever XEmacs uses) or > Ralf> suggest to use `M-x customize-variable'. > > It should be *system* wide, that is the problem and thats why the doc > string talks about administrator rights. And that's why I mentioned site-start.el and default.el. Of course, setting the variable there is not a particularly nice solution. > This is just a variable the > XEmacs pkg system cannot know about. Configure can, but the package > system does not use configure. Note please that the package system > intents to work on *all* platforms. (See the previous discussions we had.) Sure. It would be nice if the package system supported this, though. But as it is not capable of this at the moment, I'd just use some default which will work on common target systems and leave any further customization to the users, but without forcing them to it with annoying messages. -- Ralf From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 15:16:25 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJG8Oj013411; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:16:18 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJG7uP013403 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:16:07 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GJG7n2013402 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:16:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJG5xo013391 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:16:05 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GJG5IP013390 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:16:05 -0400 Received: from mx1.mcw.edu (mx1.mcw.edu [141.106.32.17]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i8GJG5DN013384 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:16:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 20087 invoked by uid 1022); 16 Sep 2004 19:16:04 -0000 Received: from rsparapa@don.biostat.mcw.edu by mx1 by uid 81 with qmail-scanner-1.21 (clamdscan: 0.70. spamassassin: 2.63. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of rsparapa@don.biostat.mcw.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.4.15] xemacs-beta digest/archive stopped on 9/12 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! I haven't received a digest since 9/12 and the archive doesn't show anything after that. Surely there has been some traffic in the last four days! I'm deleting the rest of the report since it is not pertinent. Oh, and I would love to hear from people who edit EBCDIC files with xemacs or mule either natively or by "sensing" them and using dd as a filter. Thanks, Rodney ================================================================ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 15:48:39 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJmQfQ018727; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:35 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJmOPL018719 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:24 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GJmOM0018718 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:24 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJmNN4018705 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:23 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GJmN5Y018704 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:23 -0400 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GJmMmV018698; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:23 -0400 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C82Ev-0005JE-02; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:48:21 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (TvTVTaZSweigkMcvViR1wKUY7P194zEFdmLUHe26LE4oLfA-+OSY49@[217.89.14.59]) by fmrl07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C82Eq-0t9PA80; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:48:16 +0200 To: Jerry James X-Attribution: APA References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: Adrian Aichner Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:49:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:35:16 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: TvTVTaZSweigkMcvViR1wKUY7P194zEFdmLUHe26LE4oLfA-+OSY49@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: e37ed953-a160-4a46-bdcb-7de87424ef6b Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Jerry James writes: > A few months ago, Ville Vainio told me where to get a Microsoft > compiler: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=du7r7tl1evt.fsf%40lehtori.cc.tut.fi > > I got it, but it is the compiler only. I don't get to have nmake. Does > anybody know if it is possible to use Cygwin's GNU make in conjunction > with the Microsoft compiler to do native builds? I'd like to avoid > introducing Windows build problems with my patches. :-( Hi Jerry, nmake would be a MicroSoft product if it were compatible with GNU make. Trivial makefiles should work with both GNU make and nmake, but xemacs.mak is not trivial enough. For one it uses a feature called inline file: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vcug98/html/_asug_specifying_an_inline_file.asp I think nmake is publically available though. But I can't find it right now. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8GJtPUa019934 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040915) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org And another ... > XEmacs Build Report generated by emacs-version > 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040823) XEmacs Lucid > with system-configuration > i586-pc-win32 > follows: > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040915) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040915)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\xemacs-21.5-cvs-update.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\ Compilation started at Thu Sep 16 21:31:44 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) ? file-error.txt M Makefile.in.in M info/dir M lisp/build-report.el M lisp/font-lock.el M lisp/package-ui.el M lisp/mule/devan-util.el C man/ChangeLog M man/lispref/hooks.texi M man/lispref/windows.texi M src/ChangeLog M src/event-msw.c M src/frame-impl.h M src/process-nt.c M src/window.c cvs server: Updating tests cvs server: Updating tests/DLL Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Thu Sep 16 21:33:15 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-all.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak all Compilation started at Thu Sep 16 21:52:35 2004 +0200 (W. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darryl Okahata List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Adrian Aichner wrote: > I think nmake is publically available though. > > But I can't find it right now. An ancient version, which may or may not work, is available. See: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;132084 In particular, look for the "Nmake15.exe" link near the bottom of the page. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 19:57:22 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GNvJwO022728; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:57:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GNvHLw022718 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:57:17 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GNvHOj022717 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GNvE0O022704 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:57:14 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8GNvE0l022703 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:57:14 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8GNvCfS022697 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:57:13 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C867i-0003Jv-00; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:57:10 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86k6uu89wi.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Debian oddies: auctex X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Uwe> When I start Uwe> xemacs -q -no-site-file & Uwe> Then Uwe> C-h v TeX-lisp-directory Uwe> Does not return anything as it should. To check these, M-x find-library RET site-start RET M-x find-library RET default RET Uwe> So there seems some cache value around. I wonder if this is Uwe> a Debian thing, could anybody check please, Stephen T? I don't have any Debian Emacs stuff installed at the moment. Try dpkg --remove auctex. IIRC, Debian has a site-start library that does a run-parts on stuff in /etc. Look for /etc/auctex, /etc/xemacs or /etc/xemacs21, and /etc/emacs. These get installed by the Debian packages of Lisp packages, not by the xemacs* packages. So this is probably leftover from some earlier Debian installation of auctex. Does your Debian have auctex lisp files in /usr/share/xemacs21/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex or something like that? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Thu Sep 16 20:11:17 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H0BFaQ024407; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:11:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H0BDtE024394 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:11:13 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8H0BDIB024393 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:11:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H0BCLm024381 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:11:12 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8H0BC48024380 for xemacweb@tux.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:11:12 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H0BBwj024366 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:11:12 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C86LF-0003Sw-00; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:11:09 +0900 To: Rodney Sparapani References: <200409161916.i8GJG3Ml007108@don.biostat.mcw.edu> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:11:09 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200409161916.i8GJG3Ml007108@don.biostat.mcw.edu> (Rodney Sparapani's message of "Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:16:03 -0500 (CDT)") Message-ID: <87hdpxiwki.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.15] xemacs-beta digest/archive stopped on 9/12 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Rodney" == Rodney Sparapani writes: Rodney> I haven't received a digest since 9/12 and the archive Rodney> doesn't show anything after that. I don't know what's going on with the archive; I will investigate. The digest got stuck, I don't know why, and I just forced it to go out. Please let me know if you notice further anomolies, especially if the 9/12--9/16 digest doesn't show up. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of klaus.berndl@sdm.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: adding face-attributes to text without the need of defining a fac e X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi, this is a short excerpt from the elisp-info-manual of Emacs 21.3: Properties with Special Meanings -------------------------------- Here is a table of text property names that have special built-in meanings. The following sections list a few additional special property names that control filling and property inheritance. All other names have no standard meaning, and you can use them as you like. `category' If a character has a `category' property, we call it the "category" of the character. It should be a symbol. The properties of the symbol serve as defaults for the properties of the character. `face' You can use the property `face' to control the font and color of text. *Note Faces::, for more information. In the simplest case, the value is a face name. It can also be a list; then each element can be any of these possibilities; * A face name (a symbol or string). * Starting in Emacs 21, a property list of face attributes. This has the form (KEYWORD VALUE ...), where each KEYWORD is a face attribute name and VALUE is a meaningful value for that attribute. With this feature, you do not need to create a face each time you want to specify a particular attribute for certain text. *Note Face Attributes::. * A cons cell of the form `(foreground-color . COLOR-NAME)' or `(background-color . COLOR-NAME)'. These elements specify just the foreground color or just the background color. `(foreground-color . COLOR-NAME)' is equivalent to `(:foreground COLOR-NAME)', and likewise for the background. *Note Font Lock Mode::, for information on how to update `face' properties automatically based on the contents of the text. ------------------ You see that Emacs allows to add not only named faces to the special text-property 'face but even a plist containing face-attributes like foreground-color etc... This is indeed very conveniant ("...With this feature, you do not need to create a face each time you want to specify a particular attribute for certain text..."). My question: Is this also possible with XEmacs >= 21.4.13 - i haven't found anything in the XEmacs-manual.... If this is not possible, then my posting would be a feature request :-). If already possible: How and where is it described? Ciao, Klaus Klaus Berndl mailto: klaus.berndl@sdm.de sd&m AG http://www.sdm.de software design & management Carl-Wery-Str. 42, 81739 Muenchen, Germany Tel +49 89 63812-392, Fax -220 From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 03:22:31 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H7MUtZ013329; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:22:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H7Lncw013191 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:21:49 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8H7LnI3013190 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:21:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H7LlmA013175 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8H7LlSS013174 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Received: from world1.sdm.de (IDENT:firewall@world1.sdm.de [192.76.162.229]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8H7LkNe013165 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=world1.sdm.de) by world1.sdm.de (MTA) via esmtp for id 1C8D3y-0003hg-1G; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:46 +0200 Received: from mucns1.muc.sdm.de ([193.102.180.22]) by world1.sdm.de (MTA) via esmtp for id 1C8D3v-0003hY-9y; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:43 +0200 Received: by mucns1.muc.sdm.de (MTA) via esmtp for from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sdmexch1.muc.sdm.de) id 1C8D3v-0001gH-7x; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:43 +0200 Received: by sdmexch1.muc.sdm.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:42 +0200 Message-ID: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED24651D@mucmail1.sdm.de> From: "Berndl, Klaus" To: XEmacs Beta Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of klaus.berndl@sdm.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: format doesn't preserve text-properties of strings X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi, see the following short test code which you can evaluate in *scratch*: (let ((test-string "Klaus")) (put-text-property 0 (length test-string) 'face 'italic test-string) (insert (concat "Test: " test-string))) If evaluated in *scratch* then "Test: Klaus" is inserted and "Klaus" is displayed in italic - very well. Now evaluate this slightly changed code (uses format instead of concat): (let ((test-string "Klaus")) (put-text-property 0 (length test-string) 'face 'italic test-string) (insert (format "Test: %s" test-string))) If evaluated in *scratch* then "Test: Klaus" is inserted and "Klaus" is displayed *not* in italic but in plain default-face - very bad :-( ==> Seems that `format' doesn't preserve text-properties of strings. IMHO this is a bug or at least an annoying behavier which makes life of an elisp-programmer sometimes harder than necessary... Ciao, Klaus Klaus Berndl mailto: klaus.berndl@sdm.de sd&m AG http://www.sdm.de software design & management Carl-Wery-Str. 42, 81739 Muenchen, Germany Tel +49 89 63812-392, Fax -220 From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 07:24:59 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBOmNU012093; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:24:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBOjS4012079 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:24:45 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HBOjkn012078 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:24:45 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBOgnW012053 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:24:42 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HBOg25012052 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:24:42 -0400 Received: from brett.sim.ucm.es (brett.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.101]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBOdr3012019; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:24:40 -0400 Received: from brett.sim.ucm.es (brett.sim.ucm.es [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52FF1252B4; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postal.sim.ucm.es (postal.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.222]) by brett.sim.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FDB12542B; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:06:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Gilgamesch (sello.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.223]) by ucmail.ucm.es (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30932) with ESMTP id <0I460KZE3MWL4N@ucmail.ucm.es>; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:07:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:07:35 +0200 From: Uwe Brauer In-reply-to: <87llf9ix7t.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> To: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of oub@mat.ucm.es does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Debian oddies: auctex X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull writes: >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Uwe> When I start Uwe> xemacs -q -no-site-file & Uwe> Then Uwe> C-h v TeX-lisp-directory Uwe> Does not return anything as it should. Stephen> To check these, Stephen> M-x find-library RET site-start RET M-x find-library RET Stephen> default RET NOTHING Stephen> Try dpkg --remove auctex. Already done Stephen> IIRC, Debian has a site-start library that does a Stephen> run-parts on stuff in /etc. Look for /etc/auctex, Stephen> /etc/xemacs or /etc/xemacs21, and /etc/emacs. These get Stephen> installed by the Debian packages of Lisp packages, not by Stephen> the xemacs* packages. So this is probably leftover from Stephen> some earlier Debian installation of auctex. I found it in /etc/xemacs21/site-start.d/ the file 00debian.el contains indeed: ;; from bugreport #76139 (setq TeX-lisp-directory "/usr/share/xemacs21/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/") Very odd, indeed!!! I will write the debian pkg mananager! Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 07:32:28 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBWQW1013561; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:32:27 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBWOCs013552 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:32:24 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HBWO0X013551 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:32:24 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBWMB5013535 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:32:22 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HBWM92013533 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:32:22 -0400 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (puzzle.sasl.smtp.pobox.com [207.8.226.4]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HBWLHk013525 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:32:22 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puzzle.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DC5138E99; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaio.shootybangbang.com (host81-152-169-16.range81-152.btcentralplus.com [81.152.169.16]) by puzzle.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0275B138EDD; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:29:50 -0400 (EDT) To: "Berndl, Klaus" References: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED24651D@mucmail1.sdm.de> From: John Paul Wallington X-Mailer: Norman X-Attribution: jpw X-Face: R(_z-rF:grdKO.*u`n); p.i$Eiz=h^CO5eDYv"4:K@#\HN09*Ykx}}B{kF/KH}%f_o^Wp (Klaus Berndl's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:21:37 +0200") Message-ID: <86brg5m937.fsf@vaio.shootybangbang.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: format doesn't preserve text-properties of strings X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org "Berndl, Klaus" writes: > ==> Seems that `format' doesn't preserve text-properties of strings. > > IMHO this is a bug or at least an annoying behavier which makes life > of an elisp-programmer sometimes harder than necessary... FWIW, the preservation of properties is an incompatible change to `format' introduced in Emacs 21 (see Emacs 21's NEWS file). Previously the use of `format' was a common idiom to remove properties. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of klaus.berndl@sdm.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: RE: format doesn't preserve text-properties of strings X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Well, i see... but nevertheless "misusing" format for removing text-properties may be a common idiom but IMHO idioms are always a bad thing - at least compared to a well-defined interface if this exists - and this interface for removing properties is `set-text-properties'... So this change of Emacs 21 may break this idiom but is IMO a right decision, because it makes things clear and well defined: I see no chance that an elisp-programmer who doesn't know this idiom can assume, that `format' removes properties - in contrary: he always would expect that `format' preserves properties because why it shpuld remove them?! Are there chances that XEmacs goes the way Emacs 21 has went - at least concerning `format'? ;-) Klaus John Paul Wallington wrote: > "Berndl, Klaus" writes: > >> ==> Seems that `format' doesn't preserve text-properties of strings. >> >> IMHO this is a bug or at least an annoying behavier which makes life >> of an elisp-programmer sometimes harder than necessary... > > FWIW, the preservation of properties is an incompatible change to > `format' introduced in Emacs 21 (see Emacs 21's NEWS file). > Previously the use of `format' was a common idiom to remove > properties. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 10:00:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE0m4X013696; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:53 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE0krP013677 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HE0kXH013675 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:46 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE0e0P013596 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:40 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HE0eac013590 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE0dvA013580; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:39 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C8JHy-00070f-QU; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:00:39 -0400 To: "Stephen J. 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Turnbull" writes: >>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > > David> That's good. We'll probably be encountering a new problem > David> in a month or so, when we integrate preview-latex. In that > David> case, we will have to deal with installing LaTeX files as > David> well. Yuch. But that's not a concern right now. > > Nor should it be hard. If you're willing to add an --enable-xemacs or > a --with-xemacs-packaging flag, --with-packagedir already exists. > then when that is set those files just go into an appropriate > subdirectory of $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/, I > think. I assume the LaTeX files are collected by themselves in one > place, no? Then we can just copy that directory en masse into the > "right" place. Your proposed place is not in the search path of LaTeX. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 10:05:31 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE5UKp015058; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:05:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE5RiN015048 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:05:27 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HE5RC4015047 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:05:27 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE5PAW015029 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:05:25 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HE5PBP015028 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:05:25 -0400 Received: from parker.sim.ucm.es (parker.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.105]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HE5NF6014996; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:05:23 -0400 Received: from parker.sim.ucm.es (parker.sim.ucm.es [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAC92F413E; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postal.sim.ucm.es (postal.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.222]) by parker.sim.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358C62F41BD; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Gilgamesch (sello.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.223]) by ucmail.ucm.es (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30932) with ESMTP id <0I460LUZBV4RNV@ucmail.ucm.es>; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:05:18 +0200 From: Uwe Brauer In-reply-to: To: David Kastrup Message-id: <861xh1t2ht.fsf@mat.ucm.es> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) References: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Turnbull" , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: >> David> That's good. We'll probably be encountering a new problem David> in a month or so, when we integrate preview-latex. In that David> case, we will have to deal with installing LaTeX files as David> well. Yuch. But that's not a concern right now. >> >> Nor should it be hard. If you're willing to add an >> --enable-xemacs or a --with-xemacs-packaging flag, David> --with-packagedir already exists. >> then when that is set those files just go into an appropriate >> subdirectory of $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/, >> I think. I assume the LaTeX files are collected by themselves >> in one place, no? Then we can just copy that directory en >> masse into the "right" place. David> Your proposed place is not in the search path of LaTeX. Right, we are talking now about including preview-latex. I am still fighting with the problem of what to do with TeX-macro-global. Now since you want to include latex style files as a part of lisp package, I only see the possibility to make a symbolic link of that directory to one in the tex tree and run texhash. In order to do so, another welcome message should be printed, great! 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of oub@mat.ucm.es does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: >>>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: >> David> That's good. We'll probably be encountering a new problem David> in a month or so, when we integrate preview-latex. In that David> case, we will have to deal with installing LaTeX files as David> well. Yuch. But that's not a concern right now. >> >> Nor should it be hard. If you're willing to add an >> --enable-xemacs or a --with-xemacs-packaging flag, David> --with-packagedir already exists. I did not want to come up with this, before releasing the Xemacs pkc in sync with 11.53, but since the topic now pops up: I wrote a Makefile (stealing from Christoph Wedler) which generates the pkg.tar.gz file, with pkginfo dir included. (Then desinstallation is easier, see my earlier mesg.) Stephen you were against that solution because you think a Xemacs packages should be compiled with in the Xemacs tree and a not correct generated pkg ball would take away more credit for the pkg system. Then maybe one should suggest to David to take away this option, since it is even a more incomplete solution than the one I suggested. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 10:26:10 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEQ8DZ020279; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEQ625020261 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:06 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HEQ6BN020260 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEQ4pU020244 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:04 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HEQ4s5020243 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEQ3DL020228; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C8JgY-000078-PN; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:26:03 -0400 To: Uwe Brauer References: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <861xh1t2ht.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: David Kastrup Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:26:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <861xh1t2ht.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:05:18 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of dak@gnu.org designates 199.232.76.164 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: >>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > > David> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >>>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > >> > David> That's good. We'll probably be encountering a new problem > David> in a month or so, when we integrate preview-latex. In that > David> case, we will have to deal with installing LaTeX files as > David> well. Yuch. But that's not a concern right now. > >> > >> Nor should it be hard. If you're willing to add an > >> --enable-xemacs or a --with-xemacs-packaging flag, > > David> --with-packagedir already exists. > > >> then when that is set those files just go into an appropriate > >> subdirectory of $prefix/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/auctex/, > >> I think. I assume the LaTeX files are collected by themselves > >> in one place, no? Then we can just copy that directory en > >> masse into the "right" place. > > David> Your proposed place is not in the search path of LaTeX. > > Right, we are talking now about including preview-latex. I am still > fighting with the problem of what to do with TeX-macro-global. Uh, yes. Sorry for the confusion. > Now since you want to include latex style files as a part of lisp > package, I only see the possibility to make a symbolic link of that > directory to one in the tex tree and run texhash. The other possibility would be to modify TEXINPUTS inside of an Emacs session. This should work for kpselib based systems; I don't know about MikTeX though. It would have the advantage that we could be reasonably sure to be working with the version of "preview.sty" corresponding to the current version of preview-latex. It would have the disadvantage that the user might get puzzled why he gets different results for files run from inside and outside of Emacs. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 10:29:42 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HETeXq021285; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HETbf0021260 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HETbMt021258 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HETap7021244 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HETa3E021243 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:36 -0400 Received: from parker.sim.ucm.es (parker.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.105]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HETXf0021205; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:29:34 -0400 Received: from parker.sim.ucm.es (parker.sim.ucm.es [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C4D2F4287; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postal.sim.ucm.es (postal.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.222]) by parker.sim.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0682A2F426E; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:30:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Gilgamesch (sello.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.223]) by ucmail.ucm.es (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30932) with ESMTP id <0I460LXLJW8TJZ@ucmail.ucm.es>; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:29:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:29:20 +0200 From: Uwe Brauer In-reply-to: To: David Kastrup Message-id: <867jqtrmtb.fsf@mat.ucm.es> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) References: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <861xh1t2ht.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Turnbull" , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: [snip] [snip] >> >> Right, we are talking now about including preview-latex. I am >> still fighting with the problem of what to do with >> TeX-macro-global. David> Uh, yes. Sorry for the confusion. [snip] David> The other possibility would be to modify TEXINPUTS inside David> of an Emacs session. This should work for kpselib based David> systems; I don't know about MikTeX though. It would have David> the advantage that we could be reasonably sure to be David> working with the version of "preview.sty" corresponding to David> the current version of preview-latex. Right. David> It would have the disadvantage that the user might get David> puzzled why he gets different results for files run from David> inside and outside of Emacs. Another problem which occurs to me, (but I recall that you said already no), is to have a preview-lisp and a preview-sty Package following a little the philosophy of the RPM pkg in the preview web site. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 10:33:08 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEX6R6023071; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEX4YA023051 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:04 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HEX48o023050 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:04 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEX2nB023037 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:02 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HEX2tT023036 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HEX2wi023029; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:02 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C8JnI-0000xc-Ef; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:33:02 -0400 To: Uwe Brauer References: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86sm9hrnnf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: David Kastrup Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:33:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86sm9hrnnf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:11:16 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Turnbull" , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer writes: >>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > > David> "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >>>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: > >> > David> That's good. We'll probably be encountering a new problem > David> in a month or so, when we integrate preview-latex. In that > David> case, we will have to deal with installing LaTeX files as > David> well. Yuch. But that's not a concern right now. > >> > >> Nor should it be hard. If you're willing to add an > >> --enable-xemacs or a --with-xemacs-packaging flag, > > David> --with-packagedir already exists. > > I did not want to come up with this, before releasing the Xemacs pkc > in sync with 11.53, but since the topic now pops up: > > I wrote a Makefile (stealing from Christoph Wedler) which generates > the pkg.tar.gz file, with pkginfo dir included. (Then > desinstallation is easier, see my earlier mesg.) Please don't "steal" any copyrightable material from third party sources without asking them whether they would be willing to sign a copyright assignment for them. > Stephen you were against that solution because you think a Xemacs > packages should be compiled with in the Xemacs tree and a not > correct generated pkg ball would take away more credit for the pkg > system. I can't make head nor tail out of this. Credit looks like the least important thing to worry about in this context. > Then maybe one should suggest to David to take away this option, > since it is even a more incomplete solution than the one I > suggested. This is what Nick came up with, basically, for preview-latex. Of course it is not much fun futzing around with half-working stuff that nobody has a clue about. Nevertheless, I would not want to remove it: after all, it enables us to offer presumably working RPMs for preview-latex under XEmacs. If we remove this, then preview-latex support for XEmacs will effectively be gone, too. Even though we have nobody with a clue about the involved stuff in the developer team currently, I'd not want to do such a step without good reason. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 10:47:35 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HElXo8027088; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:33 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HElV5W027070 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:31 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HElVFs027069 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HElTRZ027046 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:29 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HElTfq027045 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:29 -0400 Received: from parker.sim.ucm.es (parker.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.105]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HElDYP026943; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:47:14 -0400 Received: from parker.sim.ucm.es (parker.sim.ucm.es [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C0B2F42B7; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postal.sim.ucm.es (postal.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.222]) by parker.sim.ucm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276702F42A2; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Gilgamesch (sello.sim.ucm.es [147.96.1.223]) by ucmail.ucm.es (PMDF V6.2-X17 #30932) with ESMTP id <0I460M0CIX2CG2@ucmail.ucm.es>; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:47:04 +0200 From: Uwe Brauer In-reply-to: To: David Kastrup Message-id: <86u0txq7fb.fsf@mat.ucm.es> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) References: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86sm9hrnnf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Turnbull" , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Uwe Brauer List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: [snip] David> Please don't "steal" any copyrightable material from third David> party sources without asking them whether they would be David> willing to sign a copyright assignment for them. Right, I still was experimenting with it, I would not dream of releasing something into the public without doing it (it is under GPL anyway, I checked) >> Stephen you were against that solution because you think a >> Xemacs packages should be compiled with in the Xemacs tree and >> a not correct generated pkg ball would take away more credit >> for the pkg system. David> I can't make head nor tail out of this. Credit looks like David> the least important thing to worry about in this context. >> Then maybe one should suggest to David to take away this >> option, since it is even a more incomplete solution than the >> one I suggested. David> This is what Nick came up with, basically, for David> preview-latex. Of course it is not much fun futzing around David> with half-working stuff that nobody has a clue about. David> Nevertheless, I would not want to remove it: after all, it David> enables us to offer presumably working RPMs for David> preview-latex under XEmacs. David> If we remove this, then preview-latex support for XEmacs David> will effectively be gone, too. Even though we have nobody David> with a clue about the involved stuff in the developer team David> currently, I'd not want to do such a step without good David> reason. That of course is IMHO a very bad step. I would like to hear Stephens opinion about this. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of artemiog@mac.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: x-symbol makes xemacs freeze X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org As of a few days ago, as soon as x-symbol loads xemacs consistently freezes (menus can be pulled down, but they do nothing, and the contents of buffers are not displayed at all). I am really at a loss, since x-symbol (both the latest beta version and the "official" one in the sumo package) used to work just fine. As far as I am aware, this problem started just out of the blue, since I haven't upgraded neither xemacs nor its packages in a while. Does anybody have any clue as to what's going on? My installation information, and the lisp backtrace I obtain when I kill xemacs (I haven't been able to use the x-symbol bug report tool, for obvious reasons) follow at the end of this message. Cheers, Artemio Gonzalez-Lopez artemio@fis.ucm.es uname -a: Darwin tillina.fis.ucm.es 7.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.4.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.7.7.obj~7/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc configure '--pdump' '--error-checking=no' '--with-database=no' '--with-ldap=no' '--with-postgresql=no' '--with-default-eol-detection' '--with-mule=no' '--with-xim=no' '--with-xfs=no' '--with-sound=no' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-widgets=athena' '--prefix=/opt/local' '--infodir=/opt/local/share/man/man1' '--cflags=-Os' '--site-includes=/sw/include' '--site-libraries=/sw/lib' '--dynamic' XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040722) configured for `powerpc-apple-darwin7.4.0'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /tmp/artemio/xemacs-HEAD Installation prefix: /opt/local Additional header files: /sw/include Additional libraries: /sw/lib Operating system description file: `s/darwin.h' Machine description file: `m/powerpc.h' Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1640) - GCC specs file: /usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/specs - Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wpacked -Wpointer-arith -Wshadow -Wmissing-declarations -Os libc version: Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: no - The GNU allocators don't work with this system configuration. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Databases: Internationalization: Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. ======================================================================== ========== # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) accept-process-output(#) byte-code("..." [display eof-sent end start inbuf proc process-send-region process-send-eof t accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-for 0] 5) # (condition-case ... . ((quit (byte-code "??\n\"? ???\n!??\n!??\n!?u??!??o" [display eof-sent proc process-send-signal SIGINT process-send-eof accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-for 0] 3)))) # bind (eof-sent) byte-code("..." [eof-sent inbuf stderr no-wait errbuf proc set-process-sentinel lambda (proc status) (set-process-sentinel proc nil) (process-synchronize-point proc) with-current-buffer write-region-internal 1 (1+ (buffer-size)) (nil (quote major-rms-kludge-city) nil coding-system-for-write) kill-buffer # nil (byte-code " ??? \n !?u??!??o" [display eof-sent end start inbuf proc process-send-region process-send-eof t accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-for 0] 5) ((quit (byte-code "??\n\"? ???\n!??\n!??\n!?u??!??o" [display eof-sent proc process-send-signal SIGINT process-send-eof accept-process-output process-synchronize-point sit-for 0] 3))) process-send-region process-send-eof start end] 14) # (catch call-process-done ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (stderr) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (proc inbuf errbuf kill-inbuf kill-errbuf no-wait start end args display buffer infile program) call-process-internal("/bin/tcsh" nil t nil "-c" "convert -list Format") apply(call-process-internal "/bin/tcsh" nil t nil ("-c" "convert -list Format")) # bind (coding-system-for-read coding-system-for-write cs-r cs-w args displayp buffer infile program) call-process("/bin/tcsh" nil t nil "-c" "convert -list Format") # (unwind-protect ...) (save-excursion (set-buffer (get-buffer-create " *x-symbol-image command*")) (erase-buffer) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -list Format")) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -h")) (let (iformat) (cond ((when (featurep (quote png)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[pP][nN][gG]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote png))) ((when (featurep (quote gif)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[gG][iI][fF]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote gif))) (t (setq iformat (cond ((featurep (quote png)) (quote png)) ((featurep (quote gif)) (quote gif)))) (unless iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: your Emacs neither supports png nor gif")) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (re-search-forward "ImageMagick" nil t) (if iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: \"convert\" doesn't list recognized formats, I'll try %S" iformat)) (warn "x-symbol-image: no valid image converter") (setq iformat nil)))) (kill-buffer (current-buffer)) (when iformat (list* iformat (cdr (assq iformat (quote ((png . ".png") (gif . ".gif"))))) (if (and (boundp (quote system-type)) (eq system-type (quote windows-nt))) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mswindows) (let ((colors (if (featurep (quote xemacs)) (or (device-color-cells) 2) (if (display-color-p) 256 2)))) (cond ((< colors 32) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono)) ((> colors 767) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor)) (x-symbol-image-convert-colormap (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap)) (t (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-color))))))))) (if (console-type) (save-excursion (set-buffer (get-buffer-create " *x-symbol-image command*")) (erase-buffer) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -list Format")) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -h")) (let (iformat) (cond ((when (featurep (quote png)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[pP][nN][gG]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote png))) ((when (featurep (quote gif)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[gG][iI][fF]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote gif))) (t (setq iformat (cond ((featurep (quote png)) (quote png)) ((featurep (quote gif)) (quote gif)))) (unless iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: your Emacs neither supports png nor gif")) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (re-search-forward "ImageMagick" nil t) (if iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: \"convert\" doesn't list recognized formats, I'll try %S" iformat)) (warn "x-symbol-image: no valid image converter") (setq iformat nil)))) (kill-buffer (current-buffer)) (when iformat (list* iformat (cdr (assq iformat (quote ((png . ".png") (gif . ".gif"))))) (if (and (boundp (quote system-type)) (eq system-type (quote windows-nt))) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mswindows) (let ((colors (if (featurep (quote xemacs)) (or (device-color-cells) 2) (if (display-color-p) 256 2)))) (cond ((< colors 32) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono)) ((> colors 767) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor)) (x-symbol-image-convert-colormap (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap)) (t (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-color)))))))))) (when (console-type) (save-excursion (set-buffer (get-buffer-create " *x-symbol-image command*")) (erase-buffer) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -list Format")) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -h")) (let (iformat) (cond ((when (featurep (quote png)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[pP][nN][gG]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote png))) ((when (featurep (quote gif)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[gG][iI][fF]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote gif))) (t (setq iformat (cond ((featurep (quote png)) (quote png)) ((featurep (quote gif)) (quote gif)))) (unless iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: your Emacs neither supports png nor gif")) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (re-search-forward "ImageMagick" nil t) (if iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: \"convert\" doesn't list recognized formats, I'll try %S" iformat)) (warn "x-symbol-image: no valid image converter") (setq iformat nil)))) (kill-buffer (current-buffer)) (when iformat (list* iformat (cdr (assq iformat (quote ((png . ".png") (gif . ".gif"))))) (if (and (boundp (quote system-type)) (eq system-type (quote windows-nt))) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mswindows) (let ((colors (if (featurep (quote xemacs)) (or (device-color-cells) 2) (if (display-color-p) 256 2)))) (cond ((< colors 32) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono)) ([tillina:~/Downloads] artemio% (> colors 767) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor)) (x-symbol-image-convert-colormap (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap)) (t (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-color)))))))))) eval((when (console-type) (save-excursion (set-buffer (get-buffer-create " *x-symbol-image command*")) (erase-buffer) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -list Format")) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -h")) (let (iformat) (cond ((when (featurep (quote png)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[pP][nN][gG]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote png))) ((when (featurep (quote gif)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[gG][iI][fF]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote gif))) (t (setq iformat (cond ((featurep (quote png)) (quote png)) ((featurep (quote gif)) (quote gif)))) (unless iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: your Emacs neither supports png nor gif")) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (re-search-forward "ImageMagick" nil t) (if iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: \"convert\" doesn't list recognized formats, I'll try %S" iformat)) (warn "x-symbol-image: no valid image converter") (setq iformat nil)))) (kill-buffer (current-buffer)) (when iformat (list* iformat (cdr (assq iformat (quote ((png . ".png") (gif . ".gif"))))) (if (and (boundp (quote system-type)) (eq system-type (quote windows-nt))) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mswindows) (let ((colors (if (featurep (quote xemacs)) (or (device-color-cells) 2) (if (display-color-p) 256 2)))) (cond ((< colors 32) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono)) ((> colors 767) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor)) (x-symbol-image-convert-colormap (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap)) (t (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-color))))))))))) # bind (value symbol) custom-initialize-reset(x-symbol-image-converter (when (console-type) (save-excursion (set-buffer (get-buffer-create " *x-symbol-image command*")) (erase-buffer) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -list Format")) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -h")) (let (iformat) (cond ((when (featurep (quote png)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[pP][nN][gG]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote png))) ((when (featurep (quote gif)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[gG][iI][fF]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote gif))) (t (setq iformat (cond ((featurep (quote png)) (quote png)) ((featurep (quote gif)) (quote gif)))) (unless iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: your Emacs neither supports png nor gif")) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (re-search-forward "ImageMagick" nil t) (if iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: \"convert\" doesn't list recognized formats, I'll try %S" iformat)) (warn "x-symbol-image: no valid image converter") (setq iformat nil)))) (kill-buffer (current-buffer)) (when iformat (list* iformat (cdr (assq iformat (quote ((png . ".png") (gif . ".gif"))))) (if (and (boundp (quote system-type)) (eq system-type (quote windows-nt))) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mswindows) (let ((colors (if (featurep (quote xemacs)) (or (device-color-cells) 2) (if (display-color-p) 256 2)))) (cond ((< colors 32) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono)) ((> colors 767) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor)) (x-symbol-image-convert-colormap (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap)) (t (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-color))))))))))) # bind (initialize requests args doc default symbol) custom-declare-variable(x-symbol-image-converter (when (console-type) (save-excursion (set-buffer (get-buffer-create " *x-symbol-image command*")) (erase-buffer) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -list Format")) (call-process shell-file-name nil t nil shell-command-switch (concat x-symbol-image-convert-program " -h")) (let (iformat) (cond ((when (featurep (quote png)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[pP][nN][gG]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote png))) ((when (featurep (quote gif)) (goto-char (point-min)) (re-search-forward "^[ ]*[gG][iI][fF]" nil t)) (setq iformat (quote gif))) (t (setq iformat (cond ((featurep (quote png)) (quote png)) ((featurep (quote gif)) (quote gif)))) (unless iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: your Emacs neither supports png nor gif")) (goto-char (point-min)) (if (re-search-forward "ImageMagick" nil t) (if iformat (warn "x-symbol-image: \"convert\" doesn't list recognized formats, I'll try %S" iformat)) (warn "x-symbol-image: no valid image converter") (setq iformat nil)))) (kill-buffer (current-buffer)) (when iformat (list* iformat (cdr (assq iformat (quote ((png . ".png") (gif . ".gif"))))) (if (and (boundp (quote system-type)) (eq system-type (quote windows-nt))) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mswindows) (let ((colors (if (featurep (quote xemacs)) (or (device-color-cells) 2) (if (display-color-p) 256 2)))) (cond ((< colors 32) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono)) ((> colors 767) (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor)) (x-symbol-image-convert-colormap (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap)) (t (quote x-symbol-image-start-convert-color)))))))))) "Converter to produce the image cache file from the image file.\nThis definition has the form (IMAGE-FORMAT EXTENSION . COMMAND).\nIMAGE-FORMAT is a image format compiled into your XEmacs. EXTENSION is\nthe extension used for image cache file names.\n\nCOMMAND, called with arguments INFILE and OUTFILE should start and\nreturn the process which creates the image cache file OUTFILE from the\nimage file INFILE. COMMAND should also use `x-symbol-image-max-width'\nand `x-symbol-image-max-height'. Value nil means, use\n`x-symbol-image-junk-glyph' instead creating a glyph from IMAGE.\n\nPredefined COMMANDS start \"convert\" from ImageMagick with different\noptions according to the number of colors in your device:\n`x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor',\n`x-symbol-image- start-convert-color' and\n`x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono'." :group x-symbol-image-general:type (choice (const :tag "No image converter" nil) (cons :tag "Converter" (symbol :tag "Image format") (cons :format "%v" (string :tag "File extension") (choice :tag "Convert function" (function-item:tag "To monochrome" x-symbol-image-start-convert-mono) (function-item:tag "To color, restricted" x-symbol-image-start-convert-color) (function-item :tag "To color, colormap" x-symbol-image-start-convert-colormap) (function-item :tag "To color, unrestricted" x-symbol-image-start-convert-truecolor) (function:tag "Other function")))))) # bind (current-load-list) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (load-file-name) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) load-internal("x-symbol-vars" nil require nil binary) # bind (path handler filename nosuffix nomessage noerror file) load("x-symbol-vars" nil require nil) # (unwind-protect ...) require(x-symbol-vars) byte-code("..." [current-load-list provide x-symbol require x-symbol-vars featurep mule x-symbol-mule x-symbol-nomule x-symbol-trace-invisible default-boundp set-default nil] 3) # bind (current-load-list) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (load-file-name) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) load-internal("x-symbol" nil nil nil binary) # bind (path handler filename nosuffix nomessage noerror file) load("x-symbol" nil nil nil) # (unwind-protect ...) x-symbol-read-language("Token Language for X-Symbol mode: " nil cdr) # bind (matcher style alist buffer-name buffer-file-name disabled disabled1 disabled0 new-mode old-mode special arg) #(nil interactive) call-interactively(x-symbol-mode) command-execute(x-symbol-mode t) # bind (_execute_command_keys_ _execute_command_name_ prefix-arg) execute-extended-command(nil) # bind (command-debug-status) call-interactively(execute-extended-command) # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 11:38:18 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HFcGQo009200; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:38:17 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HFcEpG009187 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:38:14 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HFcEPY009186 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:38:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HFcADx009146 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:38:10 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HFcADj009145 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:38:10 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i8HFc8Gc009123 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:38:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 19998 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Sep 2004 15:38:01 -0000 Received: from pD9E78A2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO dipsy.harnisch.local) (217.231.138.42) by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 17:38:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3823021 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:38:22 +0200 Message-Id: <867jqskis1.fsf@dipsy.harnisch.local> From: Marcus Harnisch To: XEmacs Beta X-Face: 9LaBG,eEW^IB); =a+ebK4!}.:,ah"Uj-_AmwCi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! When I run M-x calc (calc-1.25), it bails out complaining about `calc-settings-file' being nil. What's interesting though is why *hasn't* it been initialized? I don't think I fully understand the autoload mechanism, but here is how it's set up: ,----[ calc.el ] | ;;;###autoload | (defvar calc-settings-file user-init-file | "*File in which to record permanent settings; default is `user-init-file'.") `---- I don't remember seeing this behavior until recntly. Best regards, Marcus ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux typhoon 2.4.20 #4 Sat Nov 1 16:31:36 EST 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux ./configure '--prefix=/usr' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--dynamic' '--with-sound=esd' '--with-database=gnudbm' '--mail-locking=flock' '--pdump' '--with-pop' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=lucid' '--with-widgets=lucid' '--with-athena=xaw' XEmacs 21.4.14 "Reasonable Discussion" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /usr/local/src/redhat/BUILD/xemacs-21.4.14 Installation prefix: /usr Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler: gcc -O2 -march=pentium3 -fno-strength-reduce -fomit-frame-pointer Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for Motif. *WARNING* Many versions of Motif are buggy, requiring workarounds. You are likely to experience slow redisplay. You may need to install vendor patches to Motif. See PROBLEMS for more information. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Using Motif native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. WARNING: ----------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: Compiling without PNG image support. WARNING: You should strongly consider installing the PNG libraries. WARNING: Otherwise certain images and glyphs may not display. WARNING: (a copy may be found in ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/aux) WARNING: ----------------------------------------------------------- Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Compiling in support for ESD (Enlightened Sound Daemon). Databases: Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Internationalization: Mail: Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Compiling in support for "flock" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. 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Updated package-get database Got 122 package-get database entries > /anonymous@ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...done > tp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...100% (59.6 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...86% (43.5 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...84% (58.4 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...83% (60.6 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...81% (96.0 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...79% (61.7 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...77% (60.4 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...75% (70.3 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...74% (71.9 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...72% (70.3 KB/s) > ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/packages/package-index.LATEST.pgp...70% (71.8 KB/s) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 12:08:30 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HG8SoC015842; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:08:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HG7NBM015666 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:07:23 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HG7NI7015664 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:07:23 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HG7Jgs015642 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:07:20 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HG7JHp015640 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:07:19 -0400 Received: from msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com [192.25.144.41]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HG7J1E015630 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:07:19 -0400 Received: from enccos4.cos.agilent.com (enccos4.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.93]) by msgbas9x.lvld.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 83E9A3147 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:07:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (130.29.152.237) by enccos4.cos.agilent.com (Sigaba Gateway v3.83) with ESMTP id 39127451; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:07:55 -0600 Received: from wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com (wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com [148.5.6.4]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87F217 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com ([141.121.54.157]) by wlvdvs01.lvld.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:07:16 -0600 Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id JAA29691; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200409171607.JAA29691@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Marcus Harnisch In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:38:22 +0200." <867jqskis1.fsf@dipsy.harnisch.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:07:14 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of darrylo@soco.agilent.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.14] calc-settings-file not initialized X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darryl Okahata List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Marcus Harnisch wrote: > When I run M-x calc (calc-1.25), it bails out complaining about > `calc-settings-file' being nil. > > What's interesting though is why *hasn't* it been initialized? I don't > think I fully understand the autoload mechanism, but here is how it's > set up: Completely wild guesses: 1. "user-init-file" is nil. 2. Either calc-settings-file or user-init-file has been made buffer-local, and the default value is nil. 3. Some other emacs-lisp file is doing a "(provide 'calc)". -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 12:53:11 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HGr582026214; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:53:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HGpn9q025942 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:51:49 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HGpnXX025941 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:51:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HGpmB0025927 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:51:48 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HGpmoo025926 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:51:48 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HGpkvU025911 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:51:47 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HGpYJe015288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:51:34 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HGpYka015287; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:51:34 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: user-init-file,calc-settings-file,calc References: <867jqskis1.fsf@dipsy.harnisch.local> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431345 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Now-Playing: How Can I Resist Her --- [SplitEnz] X-Discordian-Date: Sweetmorn, the 42nd day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta In-Reply-To: <867jqskis1.fsf@dipsy.harnisch.local> (Marcus Harnisch's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:38:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:51:31 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: Marcus Harnisch Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.4.14] calc-settings-file not initialized X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Marcus Harnisch writes: > When I run M-x calc (calc-1.25), it bails out complaining about > `calc-settings-file' being nil. There is a updated calc package (1.26) which addresses this. It's probably still in Pre-Release. > What's interesting though is why *hasn't* it been initialized? I don't > think I fully understand the autoload mechanism, but here is how it's > set up: > ,----[ calc.el ] > | ;;;###autoload > | (defvar calc-settings-file user-init-file > | "*File in which to record permanent settings; default is `user-init-file'.") > `---- `user-init-file' is set _after_ the autoloads are loaded, so when `calc-settings-file' is autoloaded, `user-init-file' is nil. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkFLFhYACgkQHSfbS6lLMAOVNACg35cchUu/Z9eC47A7053ewVjh zcgAnR8xRkHa0LovrfeecpGorXTL0oH6 =jn3t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 14:18:50 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HIIi4G010266; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:18:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HIIg1w010258 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:18:42 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HIIg4X010257 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:18:42 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HIIdaC010240 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:18:39 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HIIdHJ010239 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:18:39 -0400 Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HIIdgg010233 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:18:39 -0400 Received: from don (don.biostat.mcw.edu [141.106.120.97]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id i8HIIb406877 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200409171818.i8HIIb406877@post.its.mcw.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:18:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Rodney Sparapani To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: cfTXcYz5jCbr/shube1ZGA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rodney Sparapani List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hmmm. The archive is still stopped on 9/12 or so and there was no digest today either. By the way, if anyone is interested, I've got a crude EBCDIC to ASCII translator working: (defun ebcdic-ascii-region () " " (interactive) (call-process-region (region-beginning) (region-end) "/bin/dd" t (list t nil) t "conv=ascii")) But, what I really want is ebcdic-ascii-rectangle. However, there doesn't seem to be a call-process-rectangle. Why is that? Rodney Sparapani Medical College of Wisconsin Sr. Biostatistician Patient Care & Outcomes Research rsparapa@mcw.edu http://www.mcw.edu/pcor Was 'Name That Tune' rigged? 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of david.lim@sun.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: crashes X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: david.lim@sun.com Subject: xemacs crash X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Auto-save? (y or n) y Fatal error: assertion failed, file eval.c, line 3711, !gc_in_progress Fatal error (6). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. If you have access to the PROBLEMS file that came with your version of XEmacs, please check to see if your crash is described there, as there may be a workaround available. Otherwise, please report this bug by running the send-pr script included with XEmacs, or selecting `Send Bug Report' from the help menu. As a last resort send ordinary email to `crashes@xemacs.org'. *MAKE SURE* to include the information in the command M-x describe-installation. If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace; it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong. To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the directory in which you started the editor, or maybe in your home directory), and type gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up. (If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. A similar procedure should work for all of these. Ask your system administrator if you need more help.) Fatal error: assertion failed, file eval.c, line 1877, abort() -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Output: C stacktrace (111 sandpit.red.iplanet.com) gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core GNU gdb Red Hat Linux (5.3.90-0.20030710.40.2.1rh) Copyright 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-redhat-linux"... (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1". Core was generated by `xemacs'. Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libcanna.so.1.0...(no debugging symbols found)... done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libcanna.so.1.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libRKC.so.1.0...(no debugging symbols found)... done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libRKC.so.1.0 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libwnn6.so.1.0...(no debugging symbols found)... done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libwnn6.so.1.0 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7... (no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libpng.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libpng.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libz.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libz.so.1 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 Reading symbols from /lib/libdl.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libdl.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libldap.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libldap.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/i686/libm.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/i686/libm.so.6 Reading symbols from /lib/i686/libc.so.6...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/i686/libc.so.6 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsasl.so.7...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libsasl.so.7 Reading symbols from /lib/libssl.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libssl.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/libcrypto.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libcrypto.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/liblber.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/liblber.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/ld-linux.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/ld-linux.so.2 Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/libcrypt.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libcrypt.so.1 Reading symbols from /lib/libpam.so.0...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libpam.so.0 Reading symbols from /lib/libresolv.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libresolv.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/libnss_files.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libnss_files.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/libnss_nis.so.2...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libnss_nis.so.2 Reading symbols from /lib/libnsl.so.1...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libnsl.so.1 #0 0x40414b41 in __kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (gdb) where #0 0x40414b41 in __kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #1 0x4041491a in raise (sig=6) at ../sysdeps/posix/raise.c:27 #2 0x404160c2 in abort () at ../sysdeps/generic/abort.c:88 #3 0x080a81a7 in Fcall_with_condition_handler () #4 0x080a854d in Fsignal () #5 0x080953b9 in wrong_type_argument () #6 0x08095e8b in Fcar () #7 0x080acd77 in Fbacktrace () #8 0x080a3d48 in fatal_error_signal () #9 #10 0x40414b41 in __kill () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 #11 0x4041491a in raise (sig=6) at ../sysdeps/posix/raise.c:27 #12 0x404160c2 in abort () at ../sysdeps/generic/abort.c:88 #13 0x080aafa0 in run_hook_with_args_in_buffer () #14 0x080ab1ad in run_hook_with_args () #15 0x080aaed0 in Frun_hooks () #16 0x080ab2d3 in run_hook () #17 0x080f2cd2 in Fdo_auto_save () #18 0x08145a61 in Fwaiting_for_user_input_p () #19 0x082cbbb4 in ?? () #20 0xbffe9dec in ?? () #21 0x08145a19 in Fwaiting_for_user_input_p () (gdb) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (112 sandpit.red.iplanet.com) uname -a Linux sandpit.red.iplanet.com 2.4.9-e.34smp #1 SMP Wed Dec 10 16:52:22 EST 2003 i686 unknown -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Output of describe-installation: uname -a: Linux stripples.devel.redhat.com 2.4.7-0.13.1smp #1 SMP Fri Aug 10 15:48:51 EDT 2001 i686 unknown ./configure 'i386-redhat-linux' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--with-gpm=no' '--with-sound=native' '--with-pop' '--mail-locking=lockf' '--with-clash-detection' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--lockdir=/var/lock/xemacs' '--with-mule=yes' '--with-database=no' '--with-ldap=yes' '--with-hesiod=no' '--with-canna=yes' '--with-wnn=yes' '--with-wnn6=yes' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=athena3d' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-msw=no' '--with-xfs=yes' XEmacs 21.1.14 "Cuyahoga Valley" configured for `i386-redhat-linux-gnu'. Where should the build process find the source code? /usr/src/build/46827-i386/BUILD/xemacs-21.1.14 What installation prefix should install use? /usr What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes (Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.) Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/X11R6/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/X11R6/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG image handling. Compiling in support for (builtin) GIF image handling. Compiling in support for JPEG image handling. Compiling in support for TIFF image handling. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for LDAP. Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Compiling in XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method) support. Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule. Using WNN version 6. Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena-3d dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. Clash detection will use "/var/lock/xemacs" for locking files. movemail will use "lockf" for locking mail spool files. Using POP for mail access Using Lisp_Objects with minimal tagbits. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8GM0pp4009024 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS,REMOVE_REMOVAL_2WORD autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Success] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040915) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org With Jerry's patch applied ... Thanks Jerry! Adrian > XEmacs Build Report generated by emacs-version > 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040823) XEmacs Lucid > with system-configuration > i586-pc-win32 > follows: > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040915) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040915)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\xemacs-21.5-cvs-update.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\ Compilation started at Thu Sep 16 21:31:44 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) ? file-error.txt M Makefile.in.in M info/dir M lisp/build-report.el M lisp/font-lock.el M lisp/package-ui.el M lisp/mule/devan-util.el C man/ChangeLog M man/lispref/hooks.texi M man/lispref/windows.texi M src/ChangeLog M src/event-msw.c M src/frame-impl.h M src/process-nt.c M src/window.c cvs server: Updating tests cvs server: Updating tests/DLL Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Thu Sep 16 21:33:15 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-all.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak all Compilation started at Thu Sep 16 22:05:42 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". 1 file(s) copied. 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src/etags.c(5371) : warning C4018: '!=' : signed/unsigned mismatch Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\cl.el: ** the function coerce-number is not known to be defined. While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\cl-extra.el: ** the function coerce-number is not known to be defined. While compiling frame-notice-user-settings in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\frame.el: ** variable new bound but not referenced While compiling the end of the data: ** The following functions are not known to be defined: gpm-is-supported-p, x-display-visual-class, gtk-display-visual-class While compiling toplevel forms in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\behavior-defs.el: ** assignment to free variable fume-display-in-modeline-p ** assignment to free variable filladapt-mode ** reference to free variable filladapt-mode While compiling the end of the data: ** The following functions are not known to be defined: mouse-avoidance-mode, fume-add-menubar-entry, fume-remove-menubar-entry, fume-remove-post-command-hook, filladapt-mode Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) While compiling gtk-widget-instantiate-notebook-internal in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\widgets-gtk.el: ** variable items bound but not referenced While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\wid-edit.el: ** the function browse-url is not known to be defined. While compiling pui-report-package-bug in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\package-ui.el: ** assignment to free variable bugs ** reference to free variable bugs ** variable date bound but not referenced ** variable balloon bound but not referenced ** variable req bound but not referenced While compiling pui-display-maintainer: ** variable pkg-sym bound but not referenced While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\gtk.el: ** the function gtk-import-function is not known to be defined. While compiling font-lock-add-keywords in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\font-lock.el: ** reference to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist While compiling font-lock-update-removed-keyword-alist: ** reference to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist While compiling font-lock-remove-keywords: ** reference to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist ** reference to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\dialog-gtk.el: ** The following functions are not known to be defined: gtk-misc-set-alignment, gtk-button-new, gtk-window-add-accel-group While compiling toplevel forms in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\mule\thai-util.el: ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 While compiling the end of the data: ** the function make-category-table is not known to be defined. While compiling toplevel forms in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\mule\lao-util.el: ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 While compiling the end of the data: ** the function make-category-table is not known to be defined. While compiling ethio-modify-vowel in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\mule\ethio-util.el: ** decompose-composite-char is an obsolete function; use char-to-string instead. Compilation finished at Thu Sep 16 22:36:45 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-check-temacs.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak check-temacs Compilation started at Thu Sep 16 22:46:09 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) base64-tests.el: 1234 of 1234 tests successful (100%). byte-compiler-tests.el: 66 of 66 tests successful (100%). 38 tests skipped because can't defadvice. SKIP: "Attempt to set non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "bound but not referenced" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "assignment to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "reference to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "called with 2 args, but requires 1" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "bound but not referenced" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "assignment to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "reference to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "called with 2 args, but requires 1" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" c-tests.el: 4 of 4 tests successful (100%). case-tests.el: 1148 of 1148 tests successful (100%). ccl-tests.el: 4570 of 4570 tests successful (100%). database-tests.el: No tests run. extent-tests.el: 194 of 194 tests successful (100%). hash-table-tests.el: 9866 of 9866 tests successful (100%). lisp-tests.el: 3672 of 3672 tests successful (100%). md5-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). mule-tests.el: 232 of 236 tests successful ( 98%). FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) regexp-tests.el: 298 of 298 tests successful (100%). symbol-tests.el: 246 of 246 tests successful (100%). syntax-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). 2 tests skipped because c-mode unavailable. SKIP: "comment and parse-partial-sexp tests" BECAUSE "c-mode unavailable" SKIP: "comment and parse-partial-sexp tests" BECAUSE "c-mode unavailable" tag-tests.el: 6 of 6 tests successful (100%). Compilation finished at Thu Sep 16 22:48:44 -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 17:11:44 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLBc4S004321; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:11:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLBbxJ004311 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:11:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HLBbrn004310 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:11:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLBa3Y004296 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:11:36 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HLBasp004295 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:11:36 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i8HLBYc9004268 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:11:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 17087 invoked by uid 65534); 17 Sep 2004 21:11:29 -0000 Received: from pD9E78814.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO dipsy.harnisch.local) (217.231.136.20) by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 23:11:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3823021 From: Marcus Harnisch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16715.21270.280284.292551@dipsy.harnisch.local> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:11:50 +0200 To: XEmacs beta In-Reply-To: References: <867jqskis1.fsf@dipsy.harnisch.local> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid X-Face: 9LaBG,eEW^IB); =a+ebK4!}.:,ah"Uj-_AmwCi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi Steve, Darryl, Steve Youngs writes: > There is a updated calc package (1.26) which addresses this. It's > probably still in Pre-Release. Great. So that will be taken care of. > `user-init-file' is set _after_ the autoloads are loaded, so when > `calc-settings-file' is autoloaded, `user-init-file' is nil. I see. Do people think this is a smart way to initialize a variable to begin with? Apart from built-in variables, it strongly depends on the order of files being loaded which might subtly change sometime. Wouldn't it be better to defer the check when `calc-mode' is actually being called? Something like (or calc-settings-file user-init-file) comes to mind. Thanks for the quick responses from both of you. Best regards, Marcus From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Fri Sep 17 17:49:06 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLmupr008820; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:48:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLmsoE008814 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:48:54 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HLmsFv008813 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:48:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLmrCv008799 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:48:53 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8HLmrR0008798 for xemacweb@tux.org; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:48:53 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8HLmqFB008792 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:48:53 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id 54CCF328018; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:48:51 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16715.23491.20526.634333@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:48:51 +0100 To: Rodney Sparapani In-Reply-To: <200409171818.i8HIIb406877@post.its.mcw.edu> References: <200409171818.i8HIIb406877@post.its.mcw.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.4 (patch 13) "Rational FORTRAN" XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: 17 Compsec Salsa DCSS CTP Delta Force Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of kehoea@parhasard.net designates 69.93.162.170 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: no digest today either? X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an seachtú lá déag de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Rodney Sparapani: > Hmmm. The archive is still stopped on 9/12 or so and there was no digest today > either. By the way, if anyone is interested, I've got a crude EBCDIC to ASCII > translator working: > > (defun ebcdic-ascii-region () " " > (interactive) > (call-process-region (region-beginning) (region-end) "/bin/dd" t > (list t nil) t "conv=ascii")) > > But, what I really want is ebcdic-ascii-rectangle. However, there doesn't seem > to be a call-process-rectangle. Why is that? My impression is that the rectangle functions are one of the corners of XEmacs that gather dust and aren't widely used, so no-one thought to add it. (Which is a shame, because they rock.) Here's a call-process-rectangle --if you want the results put into the current buffer, they will be placed in a rectangle with its upper left corner at `start.' ;; (require 'rect) or whatever may be necessary, but you knew that. (defun call-process-rectangle (start end program &optional deletep buffer displayp &rest args) "*Like `call-process-region,' but operates on the rectangle of text between `start' and `end.' See `kill-rectangle,' `yank-rectangle,' and `call-process.'" (interactive) (save-excursion (let ((rect (delete-extract-rectangle start end)) (ourbuf (or (and (numberp buffer) (zerop buffer) 0) (generate-new-buffer "*rectangle-temp*"))) originalbuf retval furthestcol endmarker) ;; Put back the text (unless deletep (if (< start end) (goto-char start) (goto-char end)) (insert-rectangle rect)) (unless (and (numberp ourbuf) (zerop ourbuf)) (setq originalbuf (current-buffer)) (set-buffer ourbuf) (insert-rectangle rect)) (setq retval (apply #'call-process-region (point-min) (point-max) program t ourbuf nil args)) (cond ((and (numberp ourbuf) (zerop buffer)) ;; Buffer was 0. Return immediately, don't wait. retval) ((null buffer) ;; Buffer was nil. We don't want output. (kill-buffer buf) retval) (t ;; Buffer wasn't null. We want output. (goto-char (point-max)) (setq endmarker (point) furthestcol (current-column)) ;; Make sure we're taking a rectangle that contains all the ;; output. (goto-char (point-min)) (while (not (= (point) endmarker)) (forward-line) (backward-char) (if (> (current-column) furthestcol) (setq furthestcol (current-column))) (forward-char)) (move-to-column furthestcol t) (setq rect (delete-extract-rectangle (point-min) (point-max))) (set-buffer originalbuf) (if (< start end) (goto-char start) (goto-char end)) (insert-rectangle rect) (kill-buffer ourbuf) retval))))) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sat Sep 18 05:32:22 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8I9VIJI024833; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:31:23 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8I9VGxA024826 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:31:16 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8I9VGiu024825 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:31:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8I9VE6p024805 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:31:14 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8I9VEu1024804 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:31:14 -0400 Received: from relay.mortal.ru ([62.5.206.77]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8I9V80Y024779 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 05:31:14 -0400 Received: from us.dmz.local (wus000.dmz.local [10.32.1.6]) by relay.mortal.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i8I9V7m14115 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:31:07 +0400 Received: from us.dmz.local (localhost.dmz.local [127.0.0.1]) by us.dmz.local (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i8I9cxUu039173 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:38:59 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from zevlg@yandex.ru) Received: (from wtc05@localhost) by us.dmz.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id i8I9cxpA039172; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:38:59 +0400 (MSD) X-Authentication-Warning: us.dmz.local: wtc05 set sender to zevlg@yandex.ru using -f To: XEmacs beta Keywords: string-match From: Zajcev Evgeny X-Face: "5}C(Ve&0,cfnPM*.j!SMQTCsm^+Wk+i~W\_k9qVJdd*uc#}o)(YzI"M*@M9{xWh4WV-o7hq0CBmtE%(4J(Qw1y@JpI,Eb3".Y/qD|O/]'nD Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:38:59 +0400 Message-ID: <82y8j7lxvw.fsf@us.dmz.local> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Reasonable Discussion, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: neutral (gwyn.tux.org: 62.5.206.77 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zevlg@yandex.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: string-match strangeness X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I've tried `string-match' to match some regexps: (string-match "\\b#" "#") => nil (string-match "@\\b" "@") => nil .. and many others with '\\b' .. however (string-match "\\ba" "a") => 0 (string-match "A\\b" "A") => 0 Under GNU Emacs i've got all of them returning 0. What should i do to fix this(if this is an issue at all)? I really need two above examples to return 0. Thanks! -- lg From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sat Sep 18 07:16:50 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8IBGdXZ012082; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:16:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8IBGbMD012069 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:16:37 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8IBGb8A012068 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:16:37 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8IBGZXI012054 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:16:35 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8IBGZuD012053 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:16:35 -0400 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8IBGYDm012043; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:16:35 -0400 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C8dCh-0003CA-00; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:16:31 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (rxLY6rZeoepLR0YetCAU2-+PWrdj6WFpf85sRD3inLw9AJp0JMQT8Q@[217.229.8.118]) by fmrl07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C8dCS-15lBCq0; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:16:16 +0200 To: Zajcev Evgeny X-Attribution: APA References: <82y8j7lxvw.fsf@us.dmz.local> X-Face: 4[iHdXiTu\V3u[~\I)*}#kYF[-tYl3VZga/HSOP|K,{L Rtu@f0y/=O&Cu}\:~d|P$JON?pn?j,&CnPb1z#/TL9bkAJwyol&a:SvYj-VYbM=Dtxhk9 =w|R6U3_;SH&B Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:17:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <82y8j7lxvw.fsf@us.dmz.local> (Zajcev Evgeny's message of "Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:38:59 +0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: rxLY6rZeoepLR0YetCAU2-+PWrdj6WFpf85sRD3inLw9AJp0JMQT8Q@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 92122b28-d5a1-48f7-96b8-317e442bed14 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL, RCVD_IN_DSBL, RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs beta Subject: Re: string-match strangeness X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Zajcev Evgeny writes: > I've tried `string-match' to match some regexps: > > (string-match "\\b#" "#") > => nil > > (string-match "@\\b" "@") > => nil > > .. and many others with '\\b' .. > > however > > (string-match "\\ba" "a") > => 0 > > (string-match "A\\b" "A") > => 0 > > Under GNU Emacs i've got all of them returning 0. Hmmh, the issue seems to be whether # and @ are considered word-constituents. In this major-mode message-mode buffer I get the following: (char-syntax ?#) ?\. (char-syntax ?@) ?\. Both are consider punctuation, not word constituents. Check whether this is explaining the different behavior in Gnu Emacs and XEmacs. A minimalistic testcase based on xemacs -vanilla would also be good. Best regards, Adrian > > What should i do to fix this(if this is an issue at all)? 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------ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sat Sep 18 08:23:36 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ICNXH7028249; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ICNWSX028240 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:32 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ICNWBD028239 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:32 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ICNTjS028218 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:30 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8ICNTTG028217 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:29 -0400 Received: from relay.mortal.ru ([62.5.206.77]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8ICNSwS028205; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:29 -0400 Received: from us.dmz.local (wus000.dmz.local [10.32.1.6]) by relay.mortal.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i8ICNRm18611; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:23:27 +0400 Received: from us.dmz.local (localhost.dmz.local [127.0.0.1]) by us.dmz.local (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i8ICVIUu039589; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:31:18 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from zevlg@yandex.ru) Received: (from wtc05@localhost) by us.dmz.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id i8ICVHmh039588; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:31:17 +0400 (MSD) X-Authentication-Warning: us.dmz.local: wtc05 set sender to zevlg@yandex.ru using -f To: Adrian Aichner Keywords: string-match,xemacs,nil,syntax,non-nil,buffer References: <82y8j7lxvw.fsf@us.dmz.local> From: Zajcev Evgeny X-Face: "5}C(Ve&0,cfnPM*.j!SMQTCsm^+Wk+i~W\_k9qVJdd*uc#}o)(YzI"M*@M9{xWh4WV-o7hq0CBmtE%(4J(Qw1y@JpI,Eb3".Y/qD|O/]'nD Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:31:17 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Adrian Aichner's message of "Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:17:34 +0200") Message-ID: <827jqrkbca.fsf@us.dmz.local> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Reasonable Discussion, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: neutral (gwyn.tux.org: 62.5.206.77 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zevlg@yandex.ru) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs beta Subject: Re: string-match strangeness X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Adrian Aichner writes: > > Hmmh, the issue seems to be whether # and @ are considered > word-constituents. > > In this > major-mode > message-mode > buffer I get the following: > (char-syntax ?#) > ?\. > (char-syntax ?@) > ?\. > > Both are consider punctuation, not word constituents. > > Check whether this is explaining the different behavior in Gnu Emacs > and XEmacs. > > A minimalistic testcase based on xemacs -vanilla would also be good. Yeah, yet things are pretty strange to me: in XEmacs vanilla (*scratch* buffer, lisp-interaction-mode): (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%") => nil (string-match "\\b%\\b" "C%") (*) => 1 (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%C") (**) => nil in GNU Emacs (*scratch* buffer, lisp-interaction-mode) (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%") => 0 (string-match "\\b%\\b" "C%") => 1 (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%C") => 0 Why the hell XEmacs considers beginning of the string as same syntax class and end of the thing does not? I really thing that (*) and (**) must return /same/(nil or non-nil) result. I dont know whether nil or non-nil is correct(i think non-nil). BTW: modifying syntax table to make % in word syntax class of course fixes things, but i really don't want to modify it. -- lg From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Sun Sep 19 15:54:22 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8JJsKXO023539; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:54:21 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8JJnlPY022027 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:49:47 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8JJnlBf022026 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:49:47 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8JJng7Y021996 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:49:42 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8JJngVY021994 for xemacweb@tux.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:49:42 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8JJncgp021971; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:49:42 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id AC752328018; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:49:37 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16717.58061.627063.615002@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:49:33 +0100 To: "Stephen J. 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X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an séú lá déag de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: [ ... in response to a problem posed by Stephen as to how, once a UTF-16 file has been detected, we work out which Latin translation tables to load so as to use standard X iso8859-? fonts. ] > Aidan> Something that works that out, isn't a coding system > Aidan> detector either, going by the definition of "coding system" > Aidan> in the Manual and the Lispref. > > Huh? Please give me references so I can fix the documentation. Until > you've specified what charsets are being used in an ISO 2022-based > coding system, you don't have a coding system at all. A coding system isn't necessarily based on ISO 2022. If it's based on Unicode, then the character set _is_ implicit--it's the Universal Character Set. So if you're reading in a UTF-16 encoded buffer, you have detected the character set (and coding system) to use, as part of detecting the coding category. Now, detecting which of the X11 font encodings will be needed to display that text, at the point when the text is loaded from disk, isn't really coding system detection, because we already know the coding system we have to use for _this_ operation. It's more a predictive operation, because the information won't become pertinent until redisplay. (And won't be necessary at all if this session is purely TTY-based.) Here's how the lispref defines "coding system"--this is from the "Coding System" node under "Mule." A coding system is an object that defines how text containing multiple character sets is encoded into a stream of (typically 8-bit) bytes. The coding system is used to decode the stream into a series of characters (which may be from multiple charsets) when the text is read from a file or process, and is used to encode the text back into the same format when it is written out to a file or process. I think that squares with my paragraph above. The manual doesn't give a definition of what a coding system is, just saying "Users of various languages have established many more-or-less standard coding systems for representing them." The docstring for coding-system-p says "A coding system is an object that defines how text containing multiple character sets is encoded into a stream of (typically 8-bit) bytes," and again, in an environment where we have a unified character set, that does accord with my paragraph above. But, okay, we want to formalise detecting a text's character distribution, beyond the magic that the current coding-category detection uses. The thing is, character distribution in a text is more characteristic of that text's language than anything else; Portugese, English and Swedish will all have different character distributions, but they will all probably use iso-8859-1 (or -15) as their encoding. Similarly, Serbian and Croatian will have an almost identical character distribution graph, when ordered by frequency of character (assuming both orthographies are reasonably phonemic, which I believe they are) but they will normally use entirely different encodings. And, the character distribution information in an uncommented C program will be very different to that in an English text, even though both authors may be thinking in English. But this won't be such an issue for most programming languages, because they'll be ASCII. It may be worth having the programming language modes point the character distribution detectors at any comments? Then, comes the intersection of a language's character distribution with the everyday encodings used for that language. _This_ will be useful for the X11 server-side fonts task. > [... Snipping loads of me thinking out loud and Stephen saying "huh" at > the stupid ideas. Okay, so it was worth _thinking_ about being > scrupulous on the "coding systems are how we convert from and to > external data formats" idea. ...] > > Really the only way to do this is character by character. Yes, absolutely. That's what really threw me about what I read as your suggestion that we take character distribution information, as we load the file, to do it. > Aidan> However, since we're no longer using character sets that > Aidan> explicitly correspond to X11 font encoding, > > Of course we will be, implicitly in redisplay. Umm. I was considering doing that using coding systems. But, okay, if character set tables are a better idea, okay. (What I was saying was that, in the current MULE implementation, getting the encoding of an Ichar in the associated X11 font encoding--where that character _can_ be encoded in one of the available font encodings--is normally a matter of masking bits. With a Unicode-based internal encoding, explicit tables (or coding systems that use tables) are needed.) > The fact that Mule takes them seriously is an heuristic and always has > been. It can't really be any more, though, once we move away from the Mule internal encoding. (Do you really not pronounce the "h" in "heuristic"? Hmm, wow.) > Aidan> Alternative; on startup, take a list of the distinct X11 > Aidan> font registry-with-encodings available from the X > Aidan> server. Load each of the coding systems associated with > Aidan> them, and those coding systems' from-Unicode mapping > Aidan> tables. Merge the mapping tables into one mapping table in > Aidan> a language-specific order, > > Users will have different opinions about this, and one user may have > multiple opinions depending on buffer content. Will they, beyond users of Han characters? And, well, not to put too fine a point on it, for many characters anything other than a tilde getting displayed is an improvement on the current situation. > Aidan> So, at this point, we've one virtual font mapping table that > Aidan> covers as much of Unicode as can be displayed on this X > Aidan> server, and to display $random_unicode_codepoint, we look it > Aidan> up in this mapping table. > > And you either have a lot of screamingly unhappy translators and > Buddhist scholars, or potentially a full Unicode mapping table per > extent. Or a pointer to the same mapping table (multi-level, loads of pointers to the same entries, probably disturbingly compact) for almost every extent, with the exceptions only overriding part of the mapping table, and pointing to the constituents of the primary mapping table for those areas of the code space (most of them) where they don't difffer. > Premature optimization is the root of all error. (I wasn't trying to optimise; I was trying to design. Heh.) And why isn't there an aphorism for the fact that bad design is the culprit for the most egregious performance problems out there? Polling for responses instead of having the protocol allow the other side to call back, single-threaded redisplay loops that appear to lock up when font-locking large buffers (yes, I know, threading wasn't thought about in 1986), languages that have no means of allocating on the stack, object-oriented languages that have stupid amounts of overhead for every object in the system, and a mandated bytecode form so that overhead can't be limited to compile time ... > That's not quite accurate. I'm not sure offhand where the fonts > actually get XQuery[Load]Font'ed, Whenever there's a face cache miss for a font with a given charset. So, it's always the same font there, too, at the moment--nothing user-configurable. But it is lazy. > but we have to have an awful lot of information to do the configuration > stuff at startup. Remember, XEmacs is a long-running process, the > startup overhead is just too great. So lazy-loading stuff where possible > makes a lot of sense. Cool, okay. Umm, so keep around this virtual font table, leaving most of it uninitialised, filling it up as we see the need for parts of it. We will need to have the from-Unicode mapping tables for all the available X11 registries & encodings from the start, to make this possible, but as you say, that's not a big deal, especially with today's RAM sizes. > Aidan> In the general sense, there's no heuristic way of > Aidan> predicting this--a UTF-8 encoded plain text file in French > Aidan> may routinely be Latin-1 all the way for the first four k, > Aidan> and then someone goes and uses U+0153 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE > Aidan> OE and we have to go and look up ISO8859-15. > > So is this a big fscking deal? We do it the first time it happens, > and the user lives happily ever after. No? Sure, absolutely. I just got a bit fixated on that character distribution information thing above :-) . > Aidan> This craziness is specific to systems with X11 server-side > Aidan> fonts. For the other graphical systems, it's more a matter > Aidan> of looking for coverage of various corners of the Unicode > Aidan> code space through the fonts that are available to > Aidan> us. (We'll have to do that for the server-side fonts too, > Aidan> if we're to use Markus Kuhn's -misc-fixed*-iso10646-1 > Aidan> fonts.) > > It's not obvious to me that that isn't the way to go, period. Instead > of taking the user's specification of an XLFD seriously, we parse it > and convert to fontconfig as soon as we see it. Then fontconfig does > the rest. Fontconfig--as far as I can work out, Keith Packard was never obsessive about writing good documentation--has almost nothing to do with X11 server- side fonts. If you're happy to move to pure client-side fonts for redisplay under X11, though, I would be glad to drink that kool-aid. There may be a necessity to drop support for certain platforms if we do that--I'm not convinced that Xft is available everywhere that XEmacs currently compiles with X11. And there'd be a performance hit on non-RENDER X servers, where text is rendered as pixmaps. > "Welcome to X11, the de facto substandard." I think that's from jwz, > but it might have been Ben, or a quote. objects-x.c, line 524. It mentions SunOS 4.1.3, which was released around 1993/94. Earliest mention on Google Groups is from a quoted header in a reply to one of jwz's questions in 1992. My PDF copy of the Unix-haters handbook--first printing May, 1994--mentions it, in a handout for an X conference, so it probably dates from before that. > [...] (I don't know of any consortium standard that is honored more in the > observance than the breach.) (C89, and what w3c ones are observed at all. Though not after a long time.) > Aidan> [1] And perhaps even those Americans who use such > Aidan> un-American frippery as typographical symbols worth the > Aidan> name :-) > > dumbquotes aren't dumb because they're directed, they're dumb because > they're part of a deliberate campaign to monopolize. Anybody who uses > Windows 125x is guilty of aiding and abetting, not only monopoly, but > the public health hazard that that monopoly creates. They're in Unicode, why care that they're in Microsoft's code pages too? (One of these days I'm going to take the logic from TeX-insert-quote, put a binding to " as a mail-mode hook, and have UTF-8 encoded directed quotes in all my email. It's 2004, your mail software should support Unicode :-) Anyway, that wasn't a shot at you, and as someone who uses Kanji and Kana every day, I'm a bit surprised you interpreted it as such. Ah well, no-one killed, very few hospitalised :-). So. My intention now is to shut up for a couple of weeks, I think, until I've something worth sending to -patches. (Send any replies you want to, though--I will get to them.) Bye, thank you for the input, and all the pointers away from the wrong direction :-) . -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: details on toolbar X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi. I finally managed to finish a program that inserts buttons in both Emacs and XEmacs with a common interface. Soon I intent to publish in the appropriate channels. This toolbar package was first intended to be used with AUC-TeX, but now it is a general program. This program will be, at first, part of AUC-TeX (because most LaTeX front-ends use a lot of toolbar, and toolbar support is nice). Now I am in the details, and I would appreciate the help from developers on things that are not documented. For now, my question is: for optimal display, specifier `default-toolbar-height' (for instance) is 2*button-border + image-height. Empirically, button-border=2. Is this hard-coded in XEmacs? If it is indeed hard-coded, does it have a different value for each port of XEmacs, like I have seen with other toolbar matters (an example is given bellow)? Ps: By button-border I don't mean the `default-toolbar-border-width' specifier, which is NOT documented (at least in lispref). Another odd behaviour is that under windows, the images in the toolbars are scaled to fit the toolbar, and this does not happen under GNU/Linux. Just evaluate (set-specifier default-toolbar-height 30) on the different OS's. For me, this is buggy behaviour. XEmacs behaves differently on the different OS's. Also, I have only the stable XEmacs for windows. I really would appreciate the cvs version, but I don't have compilers. Maybe some of these bugs have been already fixed and I don't know about :-( Thanks Miguel. -- Miguel Vinicius Santini Frasson http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~frasson From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 01:25:12 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K5P4Zv004107; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:25:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K5P2nC004096 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:25:02 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K5P2Gf004095 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:25:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K5P1P1004079 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:25:01 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K5P109004076 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:25:01 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K5P0Fn004056 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:25:01 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9GfY-0002VK-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:24:56 +0900 To: David Lim References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Upgrade to 21.4.15, or maybe 21.4.16 (will be out "soon", or you can get many of the patches that will be in it by building from the release branch in CVS). The 21.1 series was retired months ago. With only a backtrace from a stripped binary, nobody is going to take any interest in fixing this. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 02:32:03 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K6VpZ8020161; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:31:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K6VnAM020148 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:31:49 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K6Vnoq020147 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:31:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K6VmAj020133 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:31:48 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K6VmK8020132 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:31:48 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K6ViKR020113 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:31:45 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9Hi9-0002ne-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:31:41 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <16700.12860.827994.49844@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87brgizuqg.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16701.35606.12316.764398@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87zn41wfot.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16703.10717.896988.875051@ns5.nestdesign.com> <873c1surze.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16710.1978.581147.54225@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87656hpfzf.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16712.23372.745910.747321@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87vfefjc1i.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <16717.58061.627063.615002@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:31:41 +0900 In-Reply-To: <16717.58061.627063.615002@ns5.nestdesign.com> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:49:33 +0100") Message-ID: <877jqph2nm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Moving to Unicode internally. X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: Aidan> Something that works that out, isn't a coding system Aidan> detector either, going by the definition of "coding system" Aidan> in the Manual and the Lispref. >> Huh? Please give me references so I can fix the documentation. >> Until you've specified what charsets are being used in an ISO >> 2022-based coding system, you don't have a coding system at >> all. Aidan> Here's how the lispref defines "coding system"--this is Aidan> from the "Coding System" node under "Mule." A coding system is an object that defines how text containing multiple character sets is encoded into a stream of (typically 8-bit) bytes. (1) Binary, Unicode, and ISO-8859-2 are all multi-charset coding systems in Mule. (2) Even if there are coding systems (US-ASCII, basically, although Mule doesn't support it!) with only one charset, it's the multi-charset case that matters. Aidan> The manual doesn't give a definition of what a coding Aidan> system is, Basically the manual assumes that you are familiar with ISO 2022. Aidan> The thing is, character distribution in a text is more Aidan> characteristic of that text's language than anything else; True. So why shouldn't we make that information available for use of programs that can use it (first use will be Han coding, of course). I'm not saying to throw away the information you get from coding categories, but for most of the interesting conflicts (except Japanese) they're just not very useful. There's a really nasty design trap here, one that we're already neck-deep in. There are two common "difficult cases" we need to deal with: languages that use multiple encodings and users who deal with multiple languages. Mule is thoroughly Japanese in specification and design; the Japanese have chosen to inflict not just two, but _four_ main standard (if you can call a Microsoft embrace-and-extension "standard") encodings on themselves, and there are dozens of institutional and regional non-standards. But it is basically incapable of doing anything about multiple languages, or even multiple ISO 8859 encodings, without user help. Aidan> Umm. I was considering doing [character to font glyph Aidan> mapping] using coding systems. But, okay, if character set Aidan> tables are a better idea, okay. The redisplay data structures aren't text. Aidan> It can't really be any more, though, once we move away from Aidan> the Mule internal encoding. (Do you really not pronounce Aidan> the "h" in "heuristic"? Hmm, wow.) I do, but I'm old enough to have been taught by people who considered a leading "h" to be a vowel. Aidan> tables. Merge the mapping tables into one mapping table in Aidan> a language-specific order, >> Users will have different opinions about this, and one user may >> have multiple opinions depending on buffer content. Aidan> Will they, beyond users of Han characters? Yes, of course they will. Think about any multilingual user communicating with similarly multilingual users; the balance will change depending on context. (For example, when I argue with my Japanese wife, she screams in English, and I bellow in Japanese. I leave you to guess what that implies about mutual estimates of intelligence at such times!) But see below. Aidan> And, well, not to put too fine a point on it, for many Aidan> characters anything other than a tilde getting displayed is Aidan> an improvement on the current situation. Different problem, which display schemes don't address at all. It's not "displayed" as a tilde, it is translated to a tilde. Gag, barf. (Undisplayable characters are displayed as GETA MARK.) Aidan> And why isn't there an aphorism for the fact that bad Aidan> design is the culprit for the most egregious performance Aidan> problems out there? There is. "Premature optimization is the source of all error." ;-) And that's really the point. We have to get the design right, now, or we won't be able to get those 1 billion Han users. We have to get the design right, now, or we'll lose 200 million Europeans to Mozilla text widgets because it guesses their language right. Aidan> Cool, okay. Umm, so keep around this virtual font table, Aidan> leaving most of it uninitialised, filling it up as we see Aidan> the need for parts of it. We will need to have the Aidan> from-Unicode mapping tables for all the available X11 Aidan> registries & encodings from the start, to make this Aidan> possible, but as you say, that's not a big deal, especially Aidan> with today's RAM sizes. I don't see how this differs from current practice, really. Aidan> Fontconfig--as far as I can work out, Keith Packard was Aidan> never obsessive about writing good documentation-- That will be partly fixed in XEmacs CVS shortly. I've info-ized what documentation I could find, and I believe that the most recent version of fontconfig has more; I'll update at some point. Nag me. ;-) Aidan> has almost nothing to do with X11 server-side fonts. I'm not sure whether in the most recent version of Xft you can get at the core _font_ protocol at all, but that doesn't matter, really. You see, fontconfig has nothing to do with fonts as used in redisplay. Fontconfig is basically a set of data structures that could be used to implement Emacs faces, except that specifiers do a much better job than the very limited form of multivalue that fontconfig provides. We may have to parse XLFDs ourselves (in fact, we have to anyway because of X resource files), but there's no reason we can't keep that data in fontconfig structures for uniformity of our face and font APIs. See also lisp/font.el. Aidan> They're in Unicode, why care that they're in Microsoft's Aidan> code pages too? Because they are very closely associated with failure to implement ISO 2022 properly. I have no objection to using compact mappings for fonts. But any non- Unicode stream that uses an encoding that is not ISO 2022-conforming (ie, has graphic characters outside of the 0x21-0x7E and 0xA0-0xFF ranges) is a deliberate assault on the world's communication system. It's not as spectacular as a Robert Morris-style worm, and it's not as big a day-to-day drag as the Microsoft-carried virus/spam infection, but it is none-the-less effective. Aidan> Anyway, that wasn't a shot at you, and as someone who uses Aidan> Kanji and Kana every day, Mexico lost 1/3 of its territory to hopped-up gringos screaming "remember the Alamo!" I'm somewhat less ambitious; I'm just hoping for one kamikaze to land on Redmond screaming "remember Shift-JIS!" Aidan> My intention now is to shut up for a couple of weeks, I Aidan> think, until I've something worth sending to Aidan> -patches. (Send any replies you want to, though--I will get Aidan> to them.) Bye, thank you for the input, and all the Aidan> pointers away from the wrong direction :-) . OK. Once you do that, if they look reasonable, we should discuss getting you commit privileges so that you can commit your own patches, and maybe publish a branch. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 03:01:07 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K716Gh026986; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:01:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K714MF026976 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:01:04 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K714vJ026975 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:01:04 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K713pj026963 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:01:03 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K713RP026962 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:01:03 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K711IO026930 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:01:01 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9IAR-0002sF-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:00:55 +0900 To: "Berndl, Klaus" References: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED24651C@mucmail1.sdm.de> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:00:54 +0900 In-Reply-To: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED24651C@mucmail1.sdm.de> (Klaus Berndl's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:15:01 +0200") Message-ID: <873c1dh1ax.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: adding face-attributes to text without the need of defining a fac e X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Klaus" == Klaus Berndl writes: Klaus> You see that Emacs allows to add not only named faces to Klaus> the special text-property 'face but even a plist containing Klaus> face-attributes like foreground-color etc... This is indeed Klaus> very conveniant ("...With this feature, you do not need to Klaus> create a face each time you want to specify a particular Klaus> attribute for certain text..."). This is not currently possible in XEmacs. You wouldn't avoid the overhead of face creation, anyway; XEmacs redisplay takes face properties from face cachels which merge all of the relevant faces to create a complete description of the display properties for a given run of text. So we would have to create such cachels, and the easiest way to get that right would be implicit creation of faces. My initial reaction is to reach for my silver bullet and oaken stake. What this means is that programmers are encouraged to hard-code display resources like color and font, resources that may not be available on all hosts. Not to mention that the fact that text properties are normally duplicable typically results in bad behavior when the strings covered are copied and pasted. This really should be done with overlays, halving the convenience. Putting face properties on text properties is a reasonable hack for use in *scratch*, but if you need temporary faces a lot for some reason, what's wrong with this? (defun paint-the-town (entering leaving color) (let ((extent (make-extent entering leaving)) (tface (make-face (gensym) nil t))) (set-face-foreground tface color) (set-extent-face extent tface))) Do you have a use case where the convenience really outweighs the aspect as an "attractive nuisance"? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 03:11:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7Btf4029532; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:11:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7Brfx029524 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:11:53 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7Bre7029523 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:11:53 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7BqNr029507 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:11:52 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7Bqun029505 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:11:52 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7BpaT029490 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:11:52 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9IKx-00031t-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:11:47 +0900 To: "Berndl, Klaus" References: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED246528@mucmail1.sdm.de> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:11:47 +0900 In-Reply-To: <1B3ACCFD5694A94DBA4E231402B0E9ED246528@mucmail1.sdm.de> (Klaus Berndl's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:02:23 +0200") Message-ID: <87y8j5fm8c.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: "'John Paul Wallington'" , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: format doesn't preserve text-properties of strings X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Klaus" == Klaus Berndl writes: Klaus> IMHO idioms are always a bad thing - at least compared to a Klaus> well-defined interface if this exists - and this interface Klaus> for removing properties is `set-text-properties'... >From the (XEmacs) docstring: "You should NEVER use this function. It is ideologically blasphemous." (The XEmacs interface is `remove-text-properties'.) Klaus> Are there chances that XEmacs goes the way Emacs 21 has Klaus> went - at least concerning `format'? ;-) Patches will be reviewed. I think it is unlikely that they would be approved quickly though. My personal opinion (as you have guessed by now) is that the text property interface has many important uses, but that the GNU Emacs APIs for and semantics of text properties are incoherent. As you can see from the above docstring, there are those who would go a lot further than that! -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 03:18:53 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7Iqmt031100; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:18:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7InTq031085 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:18:50 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7InNp031084 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:18:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7ImFT031071 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:18:48 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7Imgj031070 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:18:48 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7IlwD031056; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:18:47 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9IRh-00033G-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:18:45 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <86k6uu89wi.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87llf9ix7t.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86ekl1p30o.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:18:45 +0900 In-Reply-To: <86ekl1p30o.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:07:35 +0200") Message-ID: <87u0ttflwq.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Debian oddies: auctex X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Stephen> To check these, Stephen> M-x find-library RET site-start RET Stephen> M-x find-library RET default RET Uwe> NOTHING Please check this again, and report it to the Debian package manager. Something has to be loading /etc/xemacs21/site-start.d/00debian.el. There are three main ways to arrange for that to happen automatically: your init file, default, or site-start. Debian should not touch your init file, so that should be happening in either default or site-start, both of which are loaded by library name (ie, "site-start" and "default") in the normal startup.el. If those really aren't on your path, then Debian is doing something unnecessarily non-standard to get 00debian.el loaded. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 03:25:12 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7P98R032663; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:25:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7P7pG032651 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:25:07 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7P7W8032650 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:25:07 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7P5So032635 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:25:05 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7P5db032632 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:25:05 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7P4b4032620 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:25:05 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9IXl-00034e-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:25:01 +0900 To: Uwe Brauer References: <87isaw6t2r.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <86sm9hrnnf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86u0txq7fb.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:25:01 +0900 In-Reply-To: <86u0txq7fb.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:47:04 +0200") Message-ID: <87pt4hflma.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: David Kastrup , XEmacs beta Subject: Re: Auctex XEmacs package woes --- solution imminent X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Uwe" == Uwe Brauer writes: Uwe> That of course is IMHO a very bad step. I would like to hear Uwe> Stephens opinion about this. My opinion is that Steve Youngs is _the_ expert on this kind of thing, and it's well worth waiting for his input. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 03:29:37 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7TaIE001392; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:29:36 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7TYAI001383 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:29:34 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7TYtq001382 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:29:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7TXnu001370 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:29:34 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7TXNi001369 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:29:33 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7TXNd001361 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:29:33 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9Ic7-00035B-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:29:31 +0900 To: Artemio Gonzalez Lopez References: <6C574C8B-08BD-11D9-8298-003065DC0824@mac.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:29:31 +0900 In-Reply-To: <6C574C8B-08BD-11D9-8298-003065DC0824@mac.com> (Artemio Gonzalez Lopez's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:22:44 +0200") Message-ID: <87llf5fles.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: x-symbol makes xemacs freeze X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Artemio" == Artemio Gonzalez Lopez writes: Artemio> Does anybody have any clue as to what's going on? My Artemio> installation information, and the lisp backtrace I obtain Artemio> when I kill xemacs (I haven't been able to use the Artemio> x-symbol bug report tool, for obvious reasons) follow at Artemio> the end of this message. XEmacs 21.5.17 has known problems with handling input from processes. We have a patch either in CVS or that should be applied to CVS soon, and hopefully a 21.5.18 release within a week or so. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 03:36:40 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7aWP2003054; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:36:33 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7aVEo003036 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:36:31 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7aVqi003035 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:36:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7aUVJ003022 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:36:30 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K7aUPN003019 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:36:30 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K7aSRu003008 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:36:28 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9Iik-00036d-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:36:22 +0900 To: Aidan Kehoe References: <200409171818.i8HIIb406877@post.its.mcw.edu> <16715.23491.20526.634333@ns5.nestdesign.com> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:36:22 +0900 In-Reply-To: <16715.23491.20526.634333@ns5.nestdesign.com> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:48:51 +0100") Message-ID: <87hdptfl3d.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: Rodney Sparapani , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: no digest today either? X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe writes: Aidan> My impression is that the rectangle functions are one of Aidan> the corners of XEmacs that gather dust and aren't widely Aidan> used, so no-one thought to add it. (Which is a shame, Aidan> because they rock.) The feature rocks, the implementation is a hack. I think everybody is afraid of touching it because they know they'll end up hacking redisplay to get rectangle highlighting working properly. :-) Aidan> Here's a call-process-rectangle---if you want the results Aidan> put into the current buffer, they will be placed in a Aidan> rectangle with its upper left corner at `start.' I suppose you'd be happy to see this in rect.el? Maybe better we should put it in packages (say as rect-ext.el), since it's a user feature I don't see how any build-time or initialization stuff would depend on it. That would give 21.4 users the feature without even waking Vin from his nap. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 04:21:18 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K8L2Ac010990; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:21:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K8L0Ph010973 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:21:00 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K8L0iq010972 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:21:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K8KwIL010955 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:20:58 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8K8Kwww010954 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:20:58 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8K8KuFi010948 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:20:57 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9JPr-0003IG-00; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:55 +0900 To: Zajcev Evgeny References: <82y8j7lxvw.fsf@us.dmz.local> <827jqrkbca.fsf@us.dmz.local> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:20:55 +0900 In-Reply-To: <827jqrkbca.fsf@us.dmz.local> (Zajcev Evgeny's message of "Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:31:17 +0400") Message-ID: <87acvlfj14.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs beta Subject: Re: string-match strangeness X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Zajcev" == Zajcev Evgeny writes: (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%") => nil Correct. A word is a non-null, maximal sequence of word-constituent characters. A word boundary is the position that is either the beginning or end of a non-null word. Sorry. See `with-syntax-table', or use something like "\\(\\b\\|^\\|$\\)". (string-match "\\b%\\b" "C%") (*) => 1 Bug, fixed in 21.4.13 IIRC: XEmacs 21.4.15 (plus some recently applied patches, I think, but nothing to regexps) gets this right (ie, nil), and tests/automated/regexp-tests.el claims that this was fixed 2003-03-21; what version of XEmacs are you using? (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%C") (**) => nil Correct. Zajcev> in GNU Emacs (*scratch* buffer, lisp-interaction-mode) If GNU Emacs considers % to be a word constituent in lisp-interaction-mode, or that any text boundary is automatically a word boundary, all of these are correct, otherwise all are bugs. (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%") => 0 (string-match "\\b%\\b" "C%") => 1 (string-match "\\b%\\b" "%C") => 0 Zajcev> Why the hell XEmacs considers beginning of the string as Zajcev> same syntax class and end of the thing does not? It *was* a bug. Regular expressions are bloody hard to implement, and we make up the regression test suite as we go along. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 07:21:34 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KBKl8Z017159; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:20:48 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KBKkdq017146 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:20:46 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KBKkRZ017145 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:20:46 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KBKj2W017127 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:20:45 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KBKjnE017126 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:20:45 -0400 Received: from esemetz.metz.supelec.fr (IDENT:hJ5/HBjZtSK1pmo8s7hGvrrrFO/IauDx@esemetz.metz.supelec.fr [193.48.224.212]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KBKiB5017119 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:20:44 -0400 Received: from ansible (ansible.metz.supelec.fr [193.48.224.192]) by esemetz.metz.supelec.fr (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i8KBKhO24467 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:20:43 +0200 Message-Id: <200409201120.i8KBKhO24467@esemetz.metz.supelec.fr> From: "Fabrice Popineau" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:20:38 +0200 Organization: =?US-ASCII?Q?Supelec?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSfA9rFVNsXiWGPS3uC0+OSlPhqnw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: XEmacs 21.5b17 native win32 with installer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fabrice.Popineau@supelec.fr List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I have packaged the (almost) latest beta version of XEmacs with and MSI installer. It is available from: http://www.metz.supelec.fr/~popineau/xemacs-21.5.17.exe It is a bit crude, it installs all the packages. I have support to offer customization if needed (personally, I'm not in favour of it). There are a couple of companion apps: grep, patch, diff. Any comments will be welcome. I'd like to improve it. Fabrice Popineau ------------------------ e-mail: Fabrice.Popineau@supelec.fr | The difference between theory voice-mail: +33 (0) 387764715 | and practice, is that surface-mail: Supelec, 2 rue E. Belin, | theoretically, F-57070 Metz | there is no difference ! 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: AUCTeX package compilation problem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Attempting to compile the current package CVS fails like this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages/x-symbol' /usr/local/test/bin/xemacs -no-autoloads -vanilla -batch -eval '(setq stack-trace-on-error t load-ignore-out-of-date-elc-files t load-show-full-path-in-messages t)' -l /usr/src/xemacs/packages/package-compile.el -- x-symbol xemacs-base auctex mail-lib -- -l x-symbol.el -f batch-byte-compile lisp/auto-autoloads.el Loading /usr/local/test/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/lisp/auto-autoloads.elc... Requiring /usr/local/test/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/lisp/bytecomp.elc... Requiring /usr/local/test/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/lisp/byte-optimize.elc... Loading /usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages/mail-lib/auto-autoloads.elc... Loading /usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages/auctex/auto-autoloads.elc... xemacs exiting. # bind (stack-trace-on-signal debug-on-signal stack-trace-on-error debug-on-error) # (unwind-protect ...) byte-code("..." [japanese-latex-mode japanese-plain-tex-mode japanese-TeX-mode TeX-defun nil "Major mode in %s for editing Japanese plain TeX files.\nSet japanese-TeX-mode to t, and enters plain-tex-mode." t plain-tex-mode "Major mode in %s for editing Japanese LaTeX files.\nSet japanese-TeX-mode to t, and enters latex-mode." latex-mode] 7) # bind (current-load-list) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (load-file-name) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) (load-internal "[internal]") load-internal("/usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages/auctex/auto-autoloads" nil nil nil binary) # bind (path handler filename nosuffix nomessage noerror file) load("/usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages/auctex/auto-autoloads") # bind (etc-dir dir) (let* ((dir (package-name-to-directory (car depends))) (etc-dir (expand-file-name "etc" dir))) (when (null dir) (error "%s is not in `package-directory-map'. See: package-compile.el" dir)) (push dir load-path) (if (file-directory-p (expand-file-name (car depends) etc-dir)) (push (file-name-as-directory etc-dir) data-directory-list)) (load (expand-file-name "auto-autoloads" dir)) (pop depends)) (while depends (let* ((dir (package-name-to-directory (car depends))) (etc-dir (expand-file-name "etc" dir))) (when (null dir) (error "%s is not in `package-directory-map'. See: package-compile.el" dir)) (push dir load-path) (if (file-directory-p (expand-file-name (car depends) etc-dir)) (push (file-name-as-directory etc-dir) data-directory-list)) (load (expand-file-name "auto-autoloads" dir)) (pop depends))) # bind (current-load-list) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (load-file-name) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) (load-internal "[internal]") load-internal("/usr/src/xemacs/packages/package-compile.el" nil t nil undecided) # bind (path handler filename nosuffix nomessage noerror file) load("/usr/src/xemacs/packages/package-compile.el" nil t) # bind (file arg) command-line-do-load("-l") # bind (dir file-count line end-of-options file-p arg tem) command-line-1() # bind (command-line-args-left) command-line() # bind (error-data) normal-top-level() # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) Symbol's value as variable is void: japanese-plain-tex-modemake[2]: *** [lisp/auto-autoloads.elc] Error 255 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages/x-symbol' make[1]: *** [x-symbol/bytecompile.target] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xemacs/packages/xemacs-packages' make: *** [xemacs-packages/bytecompile.target] Error 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The problem is that the auctex auto-autoloads.el has three instances of TeX-defun in it, but no definition, causing compilation of that file to fail. TeX-defun is a macro defined in tex.el. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 12:02:41 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KG2d3p018454; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:02:39 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KG0V9J018017 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:31 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KG0VkV018016 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KG0UFJ017997 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:30 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KG0U69017996 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:30 -0400 Received: from ns5.nestdesign.com (170.69-93-162.reverse.theplanet.com [69.93.162.170] (may be forged)) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KG0TVo017989 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:00:30 -0400 Received: by ns5.nestdesign.com (Postfix, from userid 508) id C83DA328018; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:00:28 +0100 (IST) From: Aidan Kehoe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16718.65180.735801.875801@ns5.nestdesign.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:00:28 +0100 To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org In-Reply-To: <87hdptfl3d.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <200409171818.i8HIIb406877@post.its.mcw.edu> <16715.23491.20526.634333@ns5.nestdesign.com> <87hdptfl3d.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.4 (patch 13) "Rational FORTRAN" XEmacs Lucid X-Echelon-distraction: Espionage Geraldton Rolm Pathfinders FMS plutonium Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of kehoea@parhasard.net designates 69.93.162.170 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: no digest today either? X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aidan Kehoe List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Ar an fichiú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull: > I suppose you'd be happy to see this in rect.el? Yeah, absolutely. And I declare here and now, that function is public domain. Should, for example, the copyright holders of some compatible emacs decide to relicense their application under terms that state that you may only use the editor in the active development of, or research on, weapons of mass destruction, as is their right, they are perfectly free to include my call-process-rectangle in their code base :-) > Maybe better we should put it in packages (say as rect-ext.el), since > it's a user feature I don't see how any build-time or initialization > stuff would depend on it. That would work too--it would be a very small package, though. -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 14:00:18 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI0FCj004052; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI0DgX004045 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:13 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KI0DvB004044 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI0CFc004030 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:12 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KI0Cgi004029 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:12 -0400 Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI0BMh004020 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:11 -0400 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9SSQ-0001Sw-00 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:00:10 +0200 Received: from 212.86.238.186 ([212.86.238.186]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:00:10 +0200 Received: from anray by 212.86.238.186 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:00:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Andrey Slusar Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:31:12 +0300 Organization: XEmacs User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <861xgwc0f3.fsf@santinel.home.ua> References: <200409201120.i8KBKhO24467@esemetz.metz.supelec.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.86.238.186 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, i386--freebsd) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: domain of gexb-xemacs-beta@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.2 as permitted sender) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: XEmacs 21.5b17 native win32 with installer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:20:38 +0200, Fabrice Popineau wrote: > I have packaged the (almost) latest beta version of XEmacs with and MSI > installer. 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 14:07:53 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI7m4A005044; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI6qx4004846 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:06:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KI6q3Y004845 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:06:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI6oQw004825 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:06:50 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KI6oVF004824 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:06:50 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI6oUh004808 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:06:50 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8KI6XWh029129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:06:33 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KI6X18007703; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:06:33 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KI6XB2007702; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:06:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: mharnois@cpinternet.com (Michael D. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make start-itimer punctual (Re: run-at-time capricious) X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org mharnois@cpinternet.com (Michael D. Harnois) wrote: > Was there a reason this patch didn't go into 21.5? I can't speak for the other developers, of course. *I* didn't put it in because it made me shudder. The fact that this bug exists at all is because the timer queue is kept with respect to relative times, rather than absolute times. That's a recipe for ever-increasing drift. I intended to do a thorough cleansing of itimer.el and base it on absolute times, but then ... uh ... never had the time. I agree that this band-aid should go in until such time as a rewrite can be accomplished, though. I'll go over to xemacs-patches and look at it again. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 15:13:06 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KJD0iq013731; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:13:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KJBYeY013553 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:11:34 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KJBYdq013552 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:11:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KJBVt9013535 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:11:31 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KJBVvl013533 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:11:31 -0400 Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.120]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KJBNJ2013474 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:11:23 -0400 Received: from conversion.post5.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) id <0I4C00601TAYRT@asu.edu> for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.asu.edu (smtp.asu.edu [129.219.110.107]) by asu.edu (PMDF V6.1-1X6 #30769) with ESMTP id <0I4C006BRTAYGI@asu.edu> for xemacs-beta@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from hobbes.la.asu.edu (hobbes.la.asu.edu [129.219.44.35]) by smtp.asu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/asu_smtp_relay, nullclient, tcp_wrapped) with ESMTP id i8KJBK71026151 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from hobbes.la.asu.edu (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hobbes.la.asu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i8KJBEF4026222 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:14 -0700 Received: (from jj@localhost) by hobbes.la.asu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.4/Submit) id i8KJBBZc026219; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:11:11 -0700 From: John Jones To: XEmacs Beta Message-id: <200409201911.i8KJBBZc026219@hobbes.la.asu.edu> Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of jj@hobbes.la.asu.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Bug: 21.5-b17] gnuclient window widths X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jj@asu.edu List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org ================================================================ Dear Bug Team! To see the bug, - xemacs -vanilla - in the scratch buffer, execute (gnuserv-start) - in a terminal window, give the command gnuclient -nw - in the terminal XEmacs window, edit a new file The new buffer is opened, but XEmacs's idea of the width of the window gets smaller. The modeline no longer stretches the full width of the xterm. Other actions can make is shrink even more. I believe this bug has been around for a long time. I previously submitted a report where this comes up when using gnus (that is still there). This seems to be a much simpler recipe for producing it. John Jones ================================================================ System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Linux hobbes 2.6.4 #3 Mon Jul 26 13:54:31 MST 2004 i686 unknown ./configure XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults: Source code location: /ud/jj/src/xemacs-21.5.17 Installation prefix: /usr/local Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 - GCC specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-slackware-linux/3.3.3/specs - Compiler command: gcc -g -O3 libc version: 2.2.5 2.3.2 Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: yes - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11/include - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11/lib - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Using Motif native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Sound: Compiling in support for sound (native). Databases: Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Internationalization: Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. Compiling in support for extra debugging code. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: Compiling in support for runtime error checking. WARNING: XEmacs will run noticeably more slowly as a result. WARNING: Error checking is on by default for XEmacs beta releases. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/ud/jj/.xemacs/footnote-balloons /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/footnote-balloons /ud/jj/.xemacs/gp-mode /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/gp-mode /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/tex-site /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/auctex/tex-site /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/sha1-el /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/sha1-el /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ecrypto/hex-util /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/hex-util /ud/jj/.xemacs/nndiary /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/nndiary /ud/jj/.xemacs/gnus-diary /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/gnus-diary /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/tls /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/mail-lib/tls /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/gnus/starttls /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/mail-lib/starttls 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/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/sieve/sieve-manage /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/timezone /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/timezone /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/time-stamp /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/time-stamp /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/env /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/env /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/alist /usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/lisp/alist /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/lisp/build-report /ud/jj/.xemacs/custom /usr/local/lib/xemacs-21.5-b17/lisp/custom) Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (zenirc ver: 1.13 upstream: regular) (xslt-process ver: 1.11 upstream: regular) (xemacs-devel ver: 1.63 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (xemacs-base ver: 1.86 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (w3 ver: 1.29 upstream: 4.0pre47) (vm ver: 7.18 upstream: 7.17) (viper 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(crisp ver: 1.12 upstream: regular) (cookie ver: 1.14 upstream: regular) (clearcase ver: 1.06 upstream: regular) (cc-mode ver: 1.42 upstream: 5.30.8) (calendar ver: 1.23 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (calc ver: 1.24 upstream: 2.02fX3) (c-support ver: 1.2 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (build ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.02) (bbdb ver: 1.24 upstream: 2.34) (auctex ver: 1.36 upstream: 11.13) (apel ver: 1.27 upstream: 10.2) (ada ver: 1.13 upstream: regular) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (xemacsbug shadow font disp-table autoinsert gnuserv jj-old-tex pending-del efs-x19.15 efs-fnh efs-ovwrt efs-cu efs-netrc efs-defun comint ring efs boxquote rect filladapt latex tex tex-site preview prv-xemacs overlay font-lock paren blink-paren crypt crypt++ advice advice-preload uniquify scroll-in-place func-menu supercite mail-extr regi gnus-sum nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source format-spec gnus-start gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message mml mml-sec mml-smime smime dig mm-decode 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ps-print-autoloads prog-modes-autoloads perl-modes-autoloads pcomplete-autoloads pcl-cvs-autoloads pc-autoloads os-utils-autoloads oo-browser-autoloads net-utils-autoloads mmm-mode-autoloads misc-games-autoloads mine-autoloads mh-e-autoloads mew-autoloads mailcrypt-autoloads mail-lib-autoloads jde-autoloads ispell-autoloads ilisp-autoloads igrep-autoloads idlwave-autoloads ibuffer-autoloads hm--html-menus-autoloads gnus-autoloads gnats-autoloads games-autoloads fsf-compat-autoloads frame-icon-autoloads forms-autoloads footnote-autoloads eudc-autoloads eterm-autoloads eshell-autoloads emerge-autoloads elib-autoloads eieio-autoloads efs-autoloads edt-autoloads edit-utils-autoloads ediff-autoloads edebug-autoloads ecrypto-autoloads dired-autoloads dictionary-autoloads debug-autoloads crisp-autoloads cookie-autoloads clearcase-autoloads cc-mode-autoloads calendar-autoloads calc-autoloads c-support-autoloads build-autoloads bbdb-autoloads auctex-autoloads apel-autoloads ada-autoloads 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From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Mon Sep 20 19:28:35 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KNSGOA014879; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:28:25 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KNSFna014872 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:28:15 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KNSFsO014871 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:28:15 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KNSASc014858 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:28:10 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8KNSAAs014856 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:28:10 -0400 Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr (postfix3-2.free.fr [213.228.0.169]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8KNS9k2014847 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:28:10 -0400 Received: from ansible (lns-vlq-41-82-252-35-203.adsl.proxad.net [82.252.35.203]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFFB884D0; Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:04:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fabrice Popineau" To: "'Andrey Slusar'" , Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:04:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <861xgwc0f3.fsf@santinel.home.ua> Thread-Index: AcSfPNAE6X4RhchUTmuG+dJBgNFugAAD1Rsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040920200425.8FFFB884D0@postfix3-2.free.fr> Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: Subject: RE: XEmacs 21.5b17 native win32 with installer X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org > > http://www.metz.supelec.fr/~popineau/xemacs-21.5.17.exe > > It's mule or without mule? With Mule. Best, Fabrice OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5 "chayote" (+CVS-20040426) configured for `win32'. Building XEmacs using "nmake -f win32.mak -nologo NODEBUG=1 XEMTEX=1 GNU=1 GRAPHICS=1 XEMACS=1 GSTOOLS=1 PERL=1 TEX=1 verbose=off". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in "C:\\Source\\XeMTeX\\xemacs\\xemacs-21.5\\src". Using compiler "@cl". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5". Package path is . Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 02:48:51 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8L6mhiV021742; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:48:47 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8L6mfFR021731 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:48:41 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8L6mf94021730 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:48:41 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8L6mbcn021714 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:48:37 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8L6mbcM021713 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:48:37 -0400 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8L6mYEa021702; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:48:35 -0400 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C9eS2-00055y-01; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:48:34 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (SrcZCeZv8eJ5hiCM3SGnsVswg1gCkfouEnH4d1EGokRWlv8AuUTaYi@[217.229.9.65]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C9eRm-1nWQm80; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:48:18 +0200 To: XEmacs Beta List X-Attribution: APA Organization: The XEmacs Project From: Adrian Aichner Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:49:37 +0200 Message-ID: <8yb4jev2.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (celeriac, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: SrcZCeZv8eJ5hiCM3SGnsVswg1gCkfouEnH4d1EGokRWlv8AuUTaYi@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: fc947541-6503-44ee-97ae-a5699ea944bd Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8L6mYEa021702 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I was only able to build with following patch. The patch may be minimizable to remove duplication. I had no time to try. Also, the recent set-itimer-name patch causes desktop and gnus to complain with: Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first): Loading ibuffer... Wrong number of arguments: set-itimer-name, 1 Loading desktop...done Loading desktop... Recent minibuffer messages (most recent first): Error in ~/.gnus: set-itimer-name Loading gnus-demon...done Loading gnus-demon... Best regards, Adrian Index: sound.c =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/sound.c,v retrieving revision 1.20 diff -u -u -r1.20 sound.c --- sound.c 20 Sep 2004 19:20:00 -0000 1.20 +++ sound.c 21 Sep 2004 06:44:43 -0000 @@ -490,17 +490,19 @@ return Qnil; } +#ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND DEFUN ("wait-for-sounds", Fwait_for_sounds, 0, 1, 0, /* Wait for all sounds to finish playing on DEVICE. */ - ( -#ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND - device + (device)) +{ #else - UNUSED (device) -#endif - )) +DEFUN ("wait-for-sounds", Fwait_for_sounds, 0, 1, 0, /* +Wait for all sounds to finish playing on DEVICE. +*/ + (UNUSED (device))) { +#endif #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND struct device *d = decode_device (device); if (DEVICE_CONNECTED_TO_NAS_P (d)) @@ -512,17 +514,19 @@ return Qnil; } +#ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND DEFUN ("connected-to-nas-p", Fconnected_to_nas_p, 0, 1, 0, /* Return t if connected to NAS server for sounds on DEVICE. */ - ( -#ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND - device + (device)) +{ #else - UNUSED (device) -#endif - )) +DEFUN ("connected-to-nas-p", Fconnected_to_nas_p, 0, 1, 0, /* +Return t if connected to NAS server for sounds on DEVICE. +*/ + (UNUSED (device))) { +#endif #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND return DEVICE_CONNECTED_TO_NAS_P (decode_device (device)) ? Qt : Qnil; #else > XEmacs Build Report generated by emacs-version > 21.5 (beta16) "celeriac" XEmacs Lucid > with system-configuration > i586-pc-win32 > follows: > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040920)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-all.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak all Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 08:28:02 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) Compilation finished at Tue Sep 21 08:30:33 c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-cvs-update-HEAD.err not found! > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-check-temacs.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak check-temacs Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 08:36:05 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) base64-tests.el: 1234 of 1234 tests successful (100%). byte-compiler-tests.el: 66 of 66 tests successful (100%). 38 tests skipped because can't defadvice. SKIP: "Attempt to set non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "bound but not referenced" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "assignment to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "reference to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "called with 2 args, but requires 1" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "bound but not referenced" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "assignment to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "reference to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "called with 2 args, but requires 1" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" c-tests.el: 4 of 4 tests successful (100%). case-tests.el: 1148 of 1148 tests successful (100%). ccl-tests.el: 4570 of 4570 tests successful (100%). database-tests.el: No tests run. extent-tests.el: 194 of 194 tests successful (100%). hash-table-tests.el: 9866 of 9866 tests successful (100%). lisp-tests.el: 3672 of 3672 tests successful (100%). md5-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). mule-tests.el: 232 of 236 tests successful ( 98%). FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) regexp-tests.el: 298 of 298 tests successful (100%). symbol-tests.el: 246 of 246 tests successful (100%). syntax-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). 2 tests skipped because c-mode unavailable. SKIP: "comment and parse-partial-sexp tests" BECAUSE "c-mode unavailable" SKIP: "comment and parse-partial-sexp tests" BECAUSE "c-mode unavailable" tag-tests.el: 6 of 6 tests successful (100%). Compilation finished at Tue Sep 21 08:38:28 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-check.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak check Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 08:39:37 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) base64-tests.el: 1234 of 1234 tests successful (100%). byte-compiler-tests.el: 104 of 104 tests successful (100%). c-tests.el: 4 of 4 tests successful (100%). case-tests.el: 1148 of 1148 tests successful (100%). ccl-tests.el: 4570 of 4570 tests successful (100%). database-tests.el: No tests run. extent-tests.el: 194 of 194 tests successful (100%). hash-table-tests.el: 9866 of 9866 tests successful (100%). lisp-tests.el: 3672 of 3672 tests successful (100%). md5-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). mule-tests.el: 232 of 236 tests successful ( 98%). FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) regexp-tests.el: 298 of 298 tests successful (100%). symbol-tests.el: 246 of 246 tests successful (100%). syntax-tests.el: 60 of 60 tests successful (100%). tag-tests.el: 6 of 6 tests successful (100%). Compilation finished at Tue Sep 21 08:42:16 -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 06:36:46 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LAaUv2032202; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:34 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LAaSlY032191 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LAaSsJ032190 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LAaR1t032178 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:27 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LAaRut032177 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:27 -0400 Received: from kcte.net (kcte.net [199.239.248.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LAaRmS032171 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:27 -0400 Received: from grendal.frinabulax.org (68-69-36-139.mgtnwv.adelphia.net [68.69.36.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by kcte.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i8LAaDu5071892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (grendal.frinabulax.org [127.0.0.1]) by grendal.frinabulax.org (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i8LAa7N4019479 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: robert delius royar To: XEmacs Beta List Message-ID: Organization: An Apple OS X XEmacs missionary Priority: NEW Precedence: first-class MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on kcte.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of xemacs@frinabulax.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_RFCI,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: set-itimer-name argument error in itimer.el X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: robert delius royar List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org CVS this morning from the 21.5.b17 files showed a massive number of files as changed. One was itimer.el. Now when start-itimer (line 326 ff.) is called, I get the following error: Wrong number of arguments: set-itimer-name, 1 which I assume is caused by this code in itimer.el itself (lines 371-375): ;; Make proposed itimer name unique if it's not already. (set-itimer-name name) (activate-itimer (list name value restart function is-idle with-args function-arguments (list 0 0 0))) set-itimer-name needs two args, itimer and name (see lines 223-234). See lisp/ChangeLog entry: 2004-09-20 Martin Buchholz * itimer.el (set-itimer-name): New function. (start-itimer): Use it. -- Dr. Robert Delius Royar Associate Professor of English Morehead State University Morehead, Kentucky From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 07:14:02 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LBE0ks007044; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:14:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LBDwAW007031 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:58 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LBDwm6007030 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LBDvoB007018 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:57 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LBDv3W007017 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:57 -0400 Received: from kcte.net (kcte.net [199.239.248.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LBDqvq007003 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:56 -0400 Received: from grendal.frinabulax.org (68-69-36-139.mgtnwv.adelphia.net [68.69.36.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by kcte.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i8LBDkT3080131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (grendal.frinabulax.org [127.0.0.1]) by grendal.frinabulax.org (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id i8LBDejp027316 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:40 -0400 (EDT) From: robert delius royar To: XEmacs Beta List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Organization: An Apple OS X XEmacs missionary Priority: NEW Precedence: first-class MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on kcte.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of xemacs@frinabulax.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_RFCI,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: set-itimer-name argument error in itimer.el X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Reply-To: robert delius royar List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Following up on my earlier itimer.el problem, does this patch work OK? I couldn't figure how to assure that setting the name always got called before there was an itimer created, which is what start-itimer appears to expect, without adding the nil argument (an thus the `and' in the new set-itimer-name function. But now the return value for set-itimer-name may not be correct? *** lisp/itimer.el.~1~ Tue Sep 21 05:53:21 2004 --- lisp/itimer.el Tue Sep 21 07:02:29 2004 *************** *** 231,237 **** (while (get-itimer name) (setq name (format "%s<%d>" oname num)) (itimer-increment num))) ! (setcar itimer name)) (defun set-itimer-value (itimer value) "Set the timeout value of ITIMER to be VALUE. --- 231,237 ---- (while (get-itimer name) (setq name (format "%s<%d>" oname num)) (itimer-increment num))) ! (and itimer (setcar itimer name))) (defun set-itimer-value (itimer value) "Set the timeout value of ITIMER to be VALUE. *************** *** 370,378 **** (check-nonnegative-number value) (if restart (check-nonnegative-number restart)) ;; Make proposed itimer name unique if it's not already. ! (set-itimer-name name) ! (activate-itimer (list name value restart function is-idle ! with-args function-arguments (list 0 0 0))) (car itimer-list)) (defun make-itimer () --- 370,378 ---- (check-nonnegative-number value) (if restart (check-nonnegative-number restart)) ;; Make proposed itimer name unique if it's not already. ! (set-itimer-name nil name) ! 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Uwe Brauer From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 10:54:22 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LEsFWx023713; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LEsDSN023691 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:13 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LEsDcx023690 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LEsBIb023657 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:11 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LEsB8Y023656 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:11 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LEsAfj023597; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:54:10 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LErVI6030349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:31 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LErVFY010755; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:31 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LErU2c010754; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: robert delius royar References: From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI X-Generated-By: Patcher version 3.6 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (robert delius royar's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:13:40 -0400 (EDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Patches , XEmacs Beta List Subject: [AC21.5] set-itimer-name argument error in itimer.el X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org APPROVE COMMIT 21.5 robert delius royar wrote: > Following up on my earlier itimer.el problem, does this patch work OK? I > couldn't figure how to assure that setting the name always got called before > there was an itimer created, which is what start-itimer appears to expect, > without adding the nil argument (an thus the `and' in the new set-itimer-name > function. But now the return value for set-itimer-name may not be correct? Ugh. That was my mistake. I think I like this approach better, which I will now commit to provide immediate relief, but will cheerfully modify if the community thinks this is wrong. lisp/ChangeLog addition: 2004-09-21 Jerry James * itimer.el (start-itimer): Fix my bungling of Martin's intentions. xemacs-21.5 source patch: Diff command: cvs -q diff -uN Files affected: lisp/itimer.el Index: lisp/itimer.el =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/lisp/itimer.el,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -d -u -r1.11 itimer.el --- lisp/itimer.el 2004/09/20 19:11:29 1.11 +++ lisp/itimer.el 2004/09/21 14:50:19 @@ -369,10 +369,11 @@ nil )) (check-nonnegative-number value) (if restart (check-nonnegative-number restart)) - ;; Make proposed itimer name unique if it's not already. - (set-itimer-name name) - (activate-itimer (list name value restart function is-idle - with-args function-arguments (list 0 0 0))) + (let ((itimer (list name value restart function is-idle + with-args function-arguments (list 0 0 0)))) + ;; Make proposed itimer name unique if it's not already. + (set-itimer-name itimer name) + (activate-itimer itimer)) (car itimer-list)) (defun make-itimer () -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 11:06:00 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF5xvB026790; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF5vQw026779 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:57 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LF5vER026778 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF5uIK026763 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:56 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LF5tQQ026762 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:55 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF5tEL026733; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:05:55 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LF5jGn031622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:05:45 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF5jFX010783; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:05:45 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LF5jOi010782; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:05:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Adrian Aichner References: <8yb4jev2.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:05:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8yb4jev2.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> (Adrian Aichner's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:49:37 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List Subject: Re: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hi Adrian, My purpose in life seems to be to break the build for you. :-( Adrian Aichner wrote: > I was only able to build with following patch. That's strange. What went wrong without the patch? Here's a patch with less duplication. Does it work for you? Index: src/sound.c =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/sound.c,v retrieving revision 1.20 diff -d -u -r1.20 sound.c --- src/sound.c 2004/09/20 19:20:00 1.20 +++ src/sound.c 2004/09/21 15:03:20 @@ -490,16 +490,16 @@ return Qnil; } -DEFUN ("wait-for-sounds", Fwait_for_sounds, 0, 1, 0, /* -Wait for all sounds to finish playing on DEVICE. -*/ - ( #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND - device +#define USED_IF_HAVE_NAS(decl) decl #else - UNUSED (device) +#define USED_IF_HAVE_NAS(decl) UNUSED (decl) #endif - )) + +DEFUN ("wait-for-sounds", Fwait_for_sounds, 0, 1, 0, /* +Wait for all sounds to finish playing on DEVICE. +*/ + (USED_IF_HAVE_NAS (device))) { #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND struct device *d = decode_device (device); @@ -515,13 +515,7 @@ DEFUN ("connected-to-nas-p", Fconnected_to_nas_p, 0, 1, 0, /* Return t if connected to NAS server for sounds on DEVICE. */ - ( -#ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND - device -#else - UNUSED (device) -#endif - )) + (USED_IF_HAVE_NAS (device))) { #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND return DEVICE_CONNECTED_TO_NAS_P (decode_device (device)) ? Qt : Qnil; > Also, the recent set-itimer-name patch causes desktop and gnus to > complain with: That one is now fixed in CVS. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 11:23:46 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LFNiDZ031146; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:23:45 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF7JDV027181 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:07:19 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LF7Jn8027180 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:07:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF7IaL027158 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:07:18 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LF7IVx027157 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:07:18 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF7HMQ027121 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:07:17 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LF77sI031730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:07:07 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LF774E010787; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:07:07 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LF77Xs010786; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:07:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Uwe Brauer References: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:07:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:15:33 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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If you last generated auto-autoloads.el for the AUCTeX package when those were still defuns, that would explain it. Remove the auto-autoloads.el[c] files (or make distclean) and rebuild and you should see the problem. 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Jerry> If you last generated auto-autoloads.el for the AUCTeX Jerry> package when those were still defuns, that would explain Jerry> it. Remove the auto-autoloads.el[c] files (or make Jerry> distclean) and rebuild and you should see the problem. Nope again. I already did make clean make distclean. I made even cvs update. I then deleted my auctex directory and got a new one with cvs co auctex, I compiled without any problem! Doing make bindist gave my the actual 1.40 pkg version. Something is very odd here, I am using XEmacs 21.4.15 no mule, but this can not be the reason. Uwe From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 13:33:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHXDXw025580; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:13 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHXBuw025568 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:11 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LHXBe3025563 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:11 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHX9Ob025546 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:09 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LHX9ZS025545 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:09 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHX8Hj025526 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:08 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LG2BI9003553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:02:11 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LG2BHO010889 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:02:11 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LG1Iib010886; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:01:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: tbennett@nvidia.com References: From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:01:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: (tbennett@nvidia.com's message of "Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:31:11 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: [Bug: 21.5-b17] Email truncation X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Way back in July, tbennett@nvidia.com wrote: > This problem has bit me from time to time, but I never had a nice > repro to investigate before. thanks! > > Here is a minimally tested patch that fixes this for me in > 21.5-b17. I am not sure the patch is the right fix. If not, > perhaps it will help make clear the correct fix for someone who > understands the process and lstream code better than me. > > I've tested this for a day or so with no problems. Extensive use > of shell-mode, gnus (imap and multiple nntp servers (not sure if > they use lstream, tho)), smtp, ispell, w3m, etc. > > My fix is to Lstream_pseudo_close. Arguably this patch could be > applied in Lstream_close or Lstream_flush or even filedesc_writer. Hi Tony, I would really like to see us get a fix for this into CVS. Have you looked at it again? I wonder what you think of this variation on your proposal: static int Lstream_pseudo_close (Lstream *lstr) { int flush_tries = 5; /* ### Some random number that makes us feel good */ if (! (lstr->flags & LSTREAM_FL_IS_OPEN)) Lstream_internal_error ("lstream is not open", lstr); /* Flush all the data in the buffer before closing. May require multiple passes thru Lstream_flush_out(). This loop (instead of just calling Lstream_flush_out(), fixes a problem where we sometimes lose data sent to a process. */ do { int flush_rc = Lstream_flush_out(lstr); /* any left? */ if ((lstr->out_buffer_ind == 0) || (flush_rc < 0)) /* all data successfully flushed */ flush_tries = 0; else /* delay for next pass */ Faccept_process_output (Qnil, Qnil, make_int(10)); /* making progress? */ if (flush_rc == 0) flush_tries--; } while (flush_tries > 0); /* don't check errors here -- best not to risk file descriptor loss */ return Lstream_flush (lstr); } The rationale is that, the very first time through the loop, the Lstream_flush_out may have no effect. Then the else branch is taken, causing us to accept process output, but then we quit when we should have gone around the loop again. That's what made me think of making flush_tries a counter instead of a boolean. The number 5 was plucked out of midair: 2 is probably sufficient in most cases. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 13:37:15 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHbEvA026309; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:37:15 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHXrf1025710 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:53 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LHXrI3025709 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:53 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHXpT6025694 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:51 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LHXpOK025692 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:51 -0400 Received: from ice.WonderWorks.com (ice-dmz.WonderWorks.com [192.203.206.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LHXoBd025682; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:33:51 -0400 Received: from cocoa.WonderWorks.COM by ice.WonderWorks.com with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: cocoa.WonderWorks.COM [192.203.206.88]) id i8LHXPhk095489; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cocoa.WonderWorks.COM (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 900322397D7; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:33:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16720.26085.363241.486405@cocoa.WonderWorks.COM> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:33:25 -0700 From: Kyle Jones To: Jerry James In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid X-Face: /cA45WHG7jWq>(O3&Z57Y<"WsX5ddc,4c#w0F*zrV#=M 0@~@,s;b,aMtR5Sqs"+nU.z^CSFQ9t`z2>W,S,]:[+2^ Nbf6v4g>!&,7R4Ot4Wg{&tm=WX7P["9%a)_da48-^tGy ,qz]Z,Zz\{E.,]'EO+F)@$KtF&V Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of kyle_jones@wonderworks.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: robert delius royar , XEmacs Beta List Subject: [AC21.5] set-itimer-name argument error in itimer.el X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I object to unique-ing the name within what should be a low level function. If set-itimer-name exists it should signal an error if the argument timer is already activated and there is a name collision with another activated timer. If the timer argument to set-itimer-name isn't activated then you should allow any name to be set. activate-itimer will catch any collisions when the timer is first activated. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 14:42:33 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIgPEL003368; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:42:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIgNlH003360 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:42:23 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LIgNch003359 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:42:23 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIgLlO003343 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:42:21 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LIgL7N003342 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:42:21 -0400 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIgG61003332; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:42:17 -0400 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C9pai-0004dI-02; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:42:16 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (r1DtEaZrgeU24V2RRapahGWr6pqiYKXmv+pPmkxpsL1O9HAAgwE5s6@[217.89.6.172]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C9pae-2BJA480; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:42:12 +0200 To: XEmacs Beta List X-Attribution: APA Organization: The XEmacs Project From: Adrian Aichner Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:43:32 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (celeriac, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: r1DtEaZrgeU24V2RRapahGWr6pqiYKXmv+pPmkxpsL1O9HAAgwE5s6@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 8295c85e-2059-4a44-b76e-ef0c1fccfe6b Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8LIgG61003332 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: [Success] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org With Jerry's improved patch to sound.c and itimer.el commit. There are still some warnings in the report below. OK, Jerry, what's next? ;-> I'm ready! Adrian > XEmacs Build Report generated by emacs-version > 21.5 (beta16) "celeriac" XEmacs Lucid > with system-configuration > i586-pc-win32 > follows: > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040920)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\xemacs-21.5-cvs-update-HEAD.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\ Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 17:42:46 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) ? file-error.txt M Makefile.in.in P etc/ChangeLog P etc/NEWS M info/dir P lisp/ChangeLog M lisp/build-report.el M lisp/font-lock.el P lisp/itimer.el M lisp/package-ui.el M lisp/mule/devan-util.el C man/ChangeLog M man/lispref/hooks.texi M man/lispref/windows.texi C src/ChangeLog M src/event-msw.c M src/frame-impl.h M src/process-nt.c M src/sound.c M src/window.c cvs server: Updating tests cvs server: Updating tests/DLL Compilation exited abnormally with code 1 at Tue Sep 21 17:45:37 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-install.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak install Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 18:20:12 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". 1 file(s) copied. 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src/etags.c(5371) : warning C4018: '!=' : signed/unsigned mismatch c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/compiler.h(213) : warning C4005: 'REGISTER' : macro redefinition C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\include\stdlib.h(428) : warning C4005: 'min' : macro redefinition c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/compiler.h(213) : warning C4005: 'REGISTER' : macro redefinition C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\include\stdlib.h(428) : warning C4005: 'min' : macro redefinition Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\cl.el: ** the function coerce-number is not known to be defined. While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\cl-extra.el: ** the function coerce-number is not known to be defined. While compiling frame-notice-user-settings in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\frame.el: ** variable new bound but not referenced While compiling the end of the data: ** The following functions are not known to be defined: gpm-is-supported-p, x-display-visual-class, gtk-display-visual-class While compiling toplevel forms in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\behavior-defs.el: ** assignment to free variable fume-display-in-modeline-p ** assignment to free variable filladapt-mode ** reference to free variable filladapt-mode While compiling the end of the data: ** The following functions are not known to be defined: mouse-avoidance-mode, fume-add-menubar-entry, fume-remove-menubar-entry, fume-remove-post-command-hook, filladapt-mode Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) While compiling gtk-widget-instantiate-notebook-internal in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\widgets-gtk.el: ** variable items bound but not referenced While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\wid-edit.el: ** the function browse-url is not known to be defined. While compiling pui-report-package-bug in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\package-ui.el: ** assignment to free variable bugs ** reference to free variable bugs ** variable date bound but not referenced ** variable balloon bound but not referenced ** variable req bound but not referenced While compiling pui-display-maintainer: ** variable pkg-sym bound but not referenced While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\gtk.el: ** the function gtk-import-function is not known to be defined. While compiling font-lock-add-keywords in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\font-lock.el: ** reference to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist While compiling font-lock-update-removed-keyword-alist: ** reference to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist While compiling font-lock-remove-keywords: ** reference to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-keywords-alist ** reference to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist ** assignment to free variable font-lock-removed-keywords-alist While compiling the end of the data in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\dialog-gtk.el: ** The following functions are not known to be defined: gtk-misc-set-alignment, gtk-button-new, gtk-window-add-accel-group While compiling toplevel forms in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\mule\thai-util.el: ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 While compiling the end of the data: ** the function make-category-table is not known to be defined. While compiling toplevel forms in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\mule\lao-util.el: ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 ** define-category called with 3 arguments, but accepts only 2 While compiling the end of the data: ** the function make-category-table is not known to be defined. While compiling ethio-modify-vowel in file c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\mule\ethio-util.el: ** decompose-composite-char is an obsolete function; use char-to-string instead. Installing in c:\Program Files\XEmacs\XEmacs-21.5-b17 ... 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied 11 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied 552 File(s) copied 143 File(s) copied 586 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied 1 File(s) copied Compilation finished at Tue Sep 21 18:34:19 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-check-temacs.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak check-temacs Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 18:37:45 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Using load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lisp\) Using module-load-path (c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\modules) base64-tests.el: 1234 of 1234 tests successful (100%). byte-compiler-tests.el: 66 of 66 tests successful (100%). 38 tests skipped because can't defadvice. SKIP: "Attempt to set non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "bound but not referenced" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "assignment to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "reference to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "called with 2 args, but requires 1" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to set constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind non-symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "Attempt to let-bind constant symbol" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "bound but not referenced" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "assignment to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "reference to free variable" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "called with 2 args, but requires 1" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "^$" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "set-default called with 1 arg, but requires 2" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" SKIP: "malformed let binding" BECAUSE "can't defadvice" c-tests.el: 4 of 4 tests successful (100%). case-tests.el: 1148 of 1148 tests successful (100%). ccl-tests.el: 4570 of 4570 tests successful (100%). database-tests.el: No tests run. extent-tests.el: 194 of 194 tests successful (100%). hash-table-tests.el: 9866 of 9866 tests successful (100%). lisp-tests.el: 3672 of 3672 tests successful (100%). md5-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). mule-tests.el: 232 of 236 tests successful ( 98%). FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) regexp-tests.el: 298 of 298 tests successful (100%). symbol-tests.el: 246 of 246 tests successful (100%). syntax-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). 2 tests skipped because c-mode unavailable. SKIP: "comment and parse-partial-sexp tests" BECAUSE "c-mode unavailable" SKIP: "comment and parse-partial-sexp tests" BECAUSE "c-mode unavailable" tag-tests.el: 6 of 6 tests successful (100%). weak-tests.el: 140 of 140 tests successful (100%). Compilation finished at Tue Sep 21 18:40:13 > Contents of c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\xemacs-21.5-make-check.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|^\(cd\|n?make\)\s-\|errors?\|warnings?\|pure.*\(space\|size\)\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compil\(ing\s-+in\|ation\)\|^Using\|not\s-+found\|^While\s-+compiling.*\( \s-+.+\)*\|^Note:\|Installing\|[Ff]ile(s) copied\|\s-+tests\s-+\|^[A-Z] [^ ]+$\|^Wrong number of arguments:\|^ \*\* \|^\(FAIL\|SKIP\):" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|^Formatting:\|^\s-*0 .*\(failure\|error\)s?" cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak check Compilation started at Tue Sep 21 18:42:53 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) base64-tests.el: 1234 of 1234 tests successful (100%). byte-compiler-tests.el: 104 of 104 tests successful (100%). c-tests.el: 4 of 4 tests successful (100%). case-tests.el: 1148 of 1148 tests successful (100%). ccl-tests.el: 4570 of 4570 tests successful (100%). database-tests.el: No tests run. extent-tests.el: 194 of 194 tests successful (100%). hash-table-tests.el: 9866 of 9866 tests successful (100%). lisp-tests.el: 3672 of 3672 tests successful (100%). md5-tests.el: 56 of 56 tests successful (100%). mule-tests.el: 232 of 236 tests successful ( 98%). FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) FAIL: Assertion failed: (file-exists-p name2) FAIL: Assertion failed: (equal (file-truename name2) name1) regexp-tests.el: 298 of 298 tests successful (100%). symbol-tests.el: 246 of 246 tests successful (100%). syntax-tests.el: 60 of 60 tests successful (100%). tag-tests.el: 6 of 6 tests successful (100%). Compilation finished at Tue Sep 21 18:46:23 -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 14:52:17 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIqGNF004992; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:52:16 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIqElS004986 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:52:14 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LIqEmx004985 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:52:14 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIqCFA004971 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:52:12 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LIqCJR004970 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:52:12 -0400 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com (mailout10.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.21]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LIq91m004957; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:52:10 -0400 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C9pkF-0005mT-00; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:52:07 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (VTxu7yZJZe9MMiTC5lSlPG+uKSCjeOsBx-Ev5LSd7YqzfsdC199-rp@[217.89.6.172]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C9pk8-0X8OO00; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:52:00 +0200 To: Jerry James X-Attribution: APA References: <8yb4jev2.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> X-Face: 4[iHdXiTu\V3u[~\I)*}#kYF[-tYl3VZga/HSOP|K,{L Rtu@f0y/=O&Cu}\:~d|P$JON?pn?j,&CnPb1z#/TL9bkAJwyol&a:SvYj-VYbM=Dtxhk9 =w|R6U3_;SH&B Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:53:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:05:45 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (celeriac, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: VTxu7yZJZe9MMiTC5lSlPG+uKSCjeOsBx-Ev5LSd7YqzfsdC199-rp@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 6c4b9c2b-466f-47b9-a907-e9f14d54d9a6 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by gwyn.tux.org id i8LIq91m004957 X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List , Adrian Aichner Subject: Re: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Jerry James writes: > Hi Adrian, > > My purpose in life seems to be to break the build for you. :-( And mine to keep you honest :-) > > Adrian Aichner wrote: >> I was only able to build with following patch. > > That's strange. What went wrong without the patch? Here's a patch with Ah, that was in an earlier log file: cd c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\ nmake /f xemacs.mak install Compilation started at Mon Sep 20 23:01:59 2004 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) Microsoft (R) Program Maintenance Utility Version 6.00.8168.0 Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1988-1998. All rights reserved. WARNING: Compiling without dependency information. Creating c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src\config.values -------------------------------------------------------------------- OS version: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] OS: Windows_NT XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040919) configured for `i586-pc-win32'. Building XEmacs using "NMAKE". Building XEmacs using make flags " ". Building XEmacs in source tree "c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-21.5". For src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -c -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\xpm-3.4k\lib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\libpng-1.0.2" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\tiff-v3.4\libtiff" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\jpeg-6b" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\compface" -I"c:\Hacking\libs4xemacs\zlib" -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\nt\inc -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_MS_WINDOWS -DHAVE_XPM -DFOR_MSW -DHAVE_GIF -DHAVE_PNG -DHAVE_TIFF -DHAVE_JPEG -DHAVE_XFACE -DHAVE_ZLIB -DHAVE_MENUBARS -DHAVE_SCROLLBARS -DHAVE_TOOLBARS -DHAVE_WIDGETS -DHAVE_DIALOGS -DHAVE_NATIVE_SOUND -DMULE -DPDUMP -DUSE_KKCC -DSYSTEM_MALLOC -DDEBUG_XEMACS -D_DEBUG -DWIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN -DWIN32_NATIVE -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPATH_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DPATH_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DEMACS_VERSION=\"21.5-b17\" -DEMACS_PROGNAME=\"xemacs\" -DSTACK_TRACE_EYE_CATCHER=xemacs_21_5_b17_i586_pc_win32 -DPATH_PREFIX=\"..\" -DEMACS_MAJOR_VERSION=21 -DEMACS_MINOR_VERSION=5 -DEMACS_BETA_VERSION=17 -DXEMACS_CODENAME=\""chayote"\" -DXEMACS_EXTRA_NAME=\"(+CVS-20040919)\" -DEMACS_CONFIGURATION=\"i586-pc-win32\" -DPATH_PACKAGEPATH=\""~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages"\"". For lib-src, using compiler "cl -nologo -W3 -DSTRICT -Zi -O2 -G5 -Ob2 -MDd -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src -Ic:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DWIN32_NATIVE". Installing XEmacs in "c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\XEmacs-21.5-b17". Package path is "~\\.xemacs;;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\site-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\mule-packages;c:\\Program Files\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages". Compiling in support for Microsoft Windows native GUI. Compiling in international (MULE) support. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for GIF images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for GZIP compression/decompression. Compiling in support for toolbars. Compiling in support for dialogs. Compiling in support for widgets. Compiling in support for native sounds. Using portable dumper. Using system malloc. Using DLL version of C runtime library. Compiling in debugging support (no slowdown). Compiling with optimization. Using new experimental GC algorithms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- set COPYCMD=/y 1 file(s) copied. set COPYCMD=/y 1 File(s) copied set COPYCMD=/y 1 File(s) copied make-dump-id.c etags.c c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\lib-src/etags.c(5371) : warning C4018: '!=' : signed/unsigned mismatch getopt.c getopt1.c regex.c c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/compiler.h(213) : warning C4005: 'REGISTER' : macro redefinition c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/regex.c(32) : see previous definition of 'REGISTER' C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\include\stdlib.h(428) : warning C4005: 'min' : macro redefinition c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/compiler.h(42) : see previous definition of 'min' Generating Code... hexl.c i.c winclient.c make-docfile.c mmencode.c movemail.c pop.c getopt.c getopt1.c regex.c c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/compiler.h(213) : warning C4005: 'REGISTER' : macro redefinition c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/regex.c(32) : see previous definition of 'REGISTER' C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\include\stdlib.h(428) : warning C4005: 'min' : macro redefinition c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src/compiler.h(42) : see previous definition of 'min' Generating Code... sorted-doc.c <106 lines deleted by Adrian Aichner> sound.c c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2121: '#' : invalid character : possibly the result of a macro expansion c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ')' before identifier 'HAVE_NAS_SOUND' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'HAVE_NAS_SOUND' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2059: syntax error : ';' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2121: '#' : invalid character : possibly the result of a macro expansion c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2143: syntax error : missing '{' before 'else' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2059: syntax error : 'else' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2121: '#' : invalid character : possibly the result of a macro expansion c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(502) : error C2059: syntax error : ')' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2121: '#' : invalid character : possibly the result of a macro expansion c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ')' before identifier 'HAVE_NAS_SOUND' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2061: syntax error : identifier 'HAVE_NAS_SOUND' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2059: syntax error : ';' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2121: '#' : invalid character : possibly the result of a macro expansion c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2143: syntax error : missing '{' before 'else' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2059: syntax error : 'else' c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2121: '#' : invalid character : possibly the result of a macro expansion c:\Hacking\cvs.xemacs.org\XEmacs\xemacs-21.5\src\sound.c(524) : error C2059: syntax error : ')' NMAKE: fatal error U1077: 'cl' : return code '0x2' Stop. Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Mon Sep 20 23:06:24 > less duplication. Does it work for you? Yes, it does, thanks! Adrian > > Index: src/sound.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/sound.c,v > retrieving revision 1.20 > diff -d -u -r1.20 sound.c > --- src/sound.c 2004/09/20 19:20:00 1.20 > +++ src/sound.c 2004/09/21 15:03:20 > @@ -490,16 +490,16 @@ > return Qnil; > } > > -DEFUN ("wait-for-sounds", Fwait_for_sounds, 0, 1, 0, /* > -Wait for all sounds to finish playing on DEVICE. > -*/ > - ( > #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND > - device > +#define USED_IF_HAVE_NAS(decl) decl > #else > - UNUSED (device) > +#define USED_IF_HAVE_NAS(decl) UNUSED (decl) > #endif > - )) > + > +DEFUN ("wait-for-sounds", Fwait_for_sounds, 0, 1, 0, /* > +Wait for all sounds to finish playing on DEVICE. > +*/ > + (USED_IF_HAVE_NAS (device))) > { > #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND > struct device *d = decode_device (device); > @@ -515,13 +515,7 @@ > DEFUN ("connected-to-nas-p", Fconnected_to_nas_p, 0, 1, 0, /* > Return t if connected to NAS server for sounds on DEVICE. > */ > - ( > -#ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND > - device > -#else > - UNUSED (device) > -#endif > - )) > + (USED_IF_HAVE_NAS (device))) > { > #ifdef HAVE_NAS_SOUND > return DEVICE_CONNECTED_TO_NAS_P (decode_device (device)) ? Qt : Qnil; > >> Also, the recent set-itimer-name patch causes desktop and gnus to >> complain with: > > That one is now fixed in CVS. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 15:03:23 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJ3M3B006580; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:03:22 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJ3Jro006567 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:03:19 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJ3J9p006566 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:03:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJ3HvL006555 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:03:17 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJ3H27006554 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:03:17 -0400 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com (mailout10.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.21]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJ3Gcj006548; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:03:17 -0400 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C9pv2-0005mT-01; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:03:16 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (ES1kQaZlYeLwPyW1DiFiL9VGTsXlXGH5R4PkW8-Iz35xmQlSfznCEt@[217.89.6.172]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C9puv-1aH3gm0; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:03:09 +0200 To: Kjetil Brinchmann Halvorsen X-Attribution: APA References: <413118C4.8060906@acelerate.com> X-Face: 4[iHdXiTu\V3u[~\I)*}#kYF[-tYl3VZga/HSOP|K,{L Rtu@f0y/=O&Cu}\:~d|P$JON?pn?j,&CnPb1z#/TL9bkAJwyol&a:SvYj-VYbM=Dtxhk9 =w|R6U3_;SH&B Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:04:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <413118C4.8060906@acelerate.com> (Kjetil Brinchmann Halvorsen's message of "Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:44:04 -0400") Message-ID: <4qlr78aq.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (celeriac, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: ES1kQaZlYeLwPyW1DiFiL9VGTsXlXGH5R4PkW8-Iz35xmQlSfznCEt@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: f25e0122-bc52-44b7-bf24-f802ef420922 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: Xemacs windows setup error X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Kjetil Brinchmann Halvorsen writes: > I have downloaded (twice) setup.exe from xemacs.org, version > 1.2.2.22 > I am choosing "download from internet", adn thereafter, install from > local package repository. > > The setup runs to finalize, saying everything OK. But no executable or > icons are installed, only the extension packages, in the folder > c:\xemacs-21-4.13 Hi Kjetil, do you still have the setup.log file around? Does it contain any clues? Have you selected the native or cygwin XEmacs to be installed? See the fourth image in http://www.xemacs.org/Download/win32/netinstaller.html See the last image in the same document. Best regards, Adrian > > I have installed earlier versions without problems. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 15:17:13 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJH709008601; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJH5U3008592 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:05 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJH5I4008591 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJH318008578 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:03 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJH3i9008577 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:03 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJH1wO008550 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:17:02 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LJGkTi017982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:47 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJGkQe011609; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:46 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJGk6a011608; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Uwe Brauer References: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86llf37iru.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86llf37iru.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (Uwe Brauer's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:18:13 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta Subject: Re: AUCTeX package compilation problem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Uwe Brauer wrote: > Nope again. I already did make clean make distclean. > > I made even cvs update. > > I then deleted my auctex directory and got a new one with > cvs co auctex, > > I compiled without any problem! Doing make bindist gave my the actual > 1.40 pkg version. > > Something is very odd here, I am using XEmacs 21.4.15 no mule, but > this can not be the reason. Hmmmmm.... Could you check in the auto-autoloads.el file produced for the auctex package? In mine, I see this, for example: (TeX-defun japanese-plain-tex-mode () but no definition of TeX-defun (not surprising, since it is not autoloaded). What do you see? -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 15:22:07 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJM6eU009529; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJM49o009520 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:04 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJM4CT009519 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:04 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJM3HH009506 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:03 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJM3g3009505 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:03 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJM3iK009486; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:22:03 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LJLsmF018585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:21:54 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJLsvT011623; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:21:54 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJLsmA011622; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:21:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Adrian Aichner References: From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:21:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Adrian Aichner's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:43:32 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List Subject: Re: [Success] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Adrian Aichner wrote: > OK, Jerry, what's next? ;-> > > I'm ready! Well, I was thinking about rewriting redisplay tomorrow, then upgrading our configure.in to autoconf 2.59 on Thursday. On Friday, I'm going to rip out the Lisp engine and replace it with both Scheme and Common Lisp (loadable modules, so you can have either or both running at any given time). Next week I'm going to make the sucker multithreaded. After that, I'm going to start getting REALLY ambitious. -- Jerry James, with some Arizona swamp land for sale http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 15:23:34 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJNWMh009846; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:23:33 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJNVpv009830 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:23:31 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJNVGr009827 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:23:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJNTfm009806 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:23:29 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJNTtT009805 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:23:29 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJNSMZ009784; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:23:29 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LJNKkY018721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:20 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJNKke011643; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:20 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJNKTb011642; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Adrian Aichner References: <8yb4jev2.fsf@smtprelay.t-online.de> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Adrian Aichner's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:53:19 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List Subject: Re: [Failure] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Adrian Aichner wrote: >> less duplication. Does it work for you? > > Yes, it does, thanks! Great! I'll commit it shortly, then. Hopefully that will keep the lynch mob at bay for a little while longer. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 15:38:01 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJbwjP012213; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJbuuJ012206 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:56 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJbutq012205 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJbtJs012193 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJbtlQ012192 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:55 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJbs5E012176 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:37:54 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8LJbC1D019919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:37:12 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LJbCrD011664; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:37:12 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LJbCx5011663; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:37:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Kyle Jones References: <16720.26085.363241.486405@cocoa.WonderWorks.COM> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:37:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: <16720.26085.363241.486405@cocoa.WonderWorks.COM> (Kyle Jones's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:33:25 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List Subject: Re: [AC21.5] set-itimer-name argument error in itimer.el X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Hello Kyle, Kyle Jones wrote: > I object to unique-ing the name within what should be a low > level function. If set-itimer-name exists it should signal an > error if the argument timer is already activated and there is > a name collision with another activated timer. If the timer > argument to set-itimer-name isn't activated then you should > allow any name to be set. activate-itimer will catch any > collisions when the timer is first activated. I'm glad you are providing some feedback on this question. Does this version of set-itimer-name meet with your approval? (I recycled the error message from elsewhere in itimer.el.) (defun set-itimer-name (itimer name) "Set the name of ITIMER to be NAME. NAME is an identifier for the itimer. It must be a string. If an active itimer already exists with this name, an error is signaled." (check-string name) (and (itimer-live-p itimer) (get-itimer name) (error "itimer named \"%s\" already existing and activated" name)) (setcar itimer name)) Regards, -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 17:48:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLmnNe031327; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:49 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLml32031320 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:47 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LLmlGG031319 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:47 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLmjWJ031306 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:45 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LLmjoJ031305 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:45 -0400 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLmjLC031299; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:48:45 -0400 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C9sVB-0003wL-00; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:48:45 +0200 Received: from D5DC120J.t-online.de (ZBzvvmZrwe5zPJy1YAqpAvrJqBj-4HEcjw0a3gQ-A-SyBHdsgamQQM@[217.89.6.172]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1C9sV8-0eq2L20; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:48:42 +0200 To: Jerry James X-Attribution: APA References: X-Face: 4[iHdXiTu\V3u[~\I)*}#kYF[-tYl3VZga/HSOP|K,{L Rtu@f0y/=O&Cu}\:~d|P$JON?pn?j,&CnPb1z#/TL9bkAJwyol&a:SvYj-VYbM=Dtxhk9 =w|R6U3_;SH&B Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:50:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:21:54 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ID: ZBzvvmZrwe5zPJy1YAqpAvrJqBj-4HEcjw0a3gQ-A-SyBHdsgamQQM@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 3274c73f-d870-4d1b-9113-dbb4fdbe5113 Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of adrian.aichner@t-online.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List , Adrian Aichner Subject: Re: [Success] XEmacs 21.5-b17 "chayote" (+CVS-20040920) i586-pc-win32 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Jerry James writes: > Adrian Aichner wrote: >> OK, Jerry, what's next? ;-> >> >> I'm ready! > > Well, I was thinking about rewriting redisplay tomorrow, then upgrading > our configure.in to autoconf 2.59 on Thursday. On Friday, I'm going to > rip out the Lisp engine and replace it with both Scheme and Common Lisp > (loadable modules, so you can have either or both running at any given > time). Next week I'm going to make the sucker multithreaded. > > After that, I'm going to start getting REALLY ambitious. Nice, fits my testing schedule too :-) Can you change that from Common Lisp to VBA? Oh boy, now I am beginning ot scare myself. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian@xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 17:51:04 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLp2Mk031690; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:03 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLp0bs031681 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:00 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LLp0wU031679 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:51:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLosi6031649 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:50:54 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8LLosIl031648 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:50:54 -0400 Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8LLomLT031630 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:50:53 -0400 Received: from oumu.localdomain (dsl-213-023-219-048.arcor-ip.net [213.23.219.48]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9412608D for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:50:43 +0200 (CEST) To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org From: Adam Duck Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:50:30 +0200 Message-ID: <86fz5b70m1.fsf@oumu.localdomain> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of duck@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: build failure with newest CVS X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I can't build my precious xemacs. It dies with: gcc -c -Wall -Wno-switch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wunused-parameter -Wunused-variable -Wsign-compare -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wpacked -Wshadow -Wmissing-declarations -g -O3 -Demacs -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/X11R6/include ExternalShell.c ExternalShell.c:254: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration ExternalShell.c:255: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration ExternalShell.c:255: error: conflicting types for `UNUSED' ExternalShell.c:254: error: previous declaration of `UNUSED' ExternalShell.c:256: error: conflicting types for `ExternalShellInitialize' ExternalShell.c:156: error: previous declaration of `ExternalShellInitialize' ExternalShell.c:279: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration ExternalShell.c:281: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration ExternalShell.c:281: error: conflicting types for `UNUSED' ExternalShell.c:279: error: previous declaration of `UNUSED' ExternalShell.c:282: error: conflicting types for `EventHandler' ExternalShell.c:165: error: previous declaration of `EventHandler' ExternalShell.c: In function `EventHandler': ExternalShell.c:280: error: prior parameter's size depends on `event' ExternalShell.c:280: error: prior parameter's size depends on `event' ExternalShell.c:280: error: prior parameter's size depends on `event' ExternalShell.c:280: error: prior parameter's size depends on `event' ExternalShell.c:280: error: prior parameter's size depends on `event' ExternalShell.c:281: warning: unused parameter `UNUSED' ExternalShell.c: At top level: ExternalShell.c:367: warning: parameter names (without types) in function declaration ExternalShell.c: In function `GetGeometry': ExternalShell.c:367: warning: unused parameter `UNUSED' ExternalShell.c: In function `ExternalShellRealize': ExternalShell.c:448: warning: passing arg 2 of `GetGeometry' from incompatible pointer type ExternalShell.c: In function `ChangeManaged': ExternalShell.c:516: warning: passing arg 2 of `GetGeometry' from incompatible pointer type ExternalShell.c: In function `ExternalShellRootGeometryManager': ExternalShell.c:529: warning: declaration of `event' shadows a parameter ExternalShell.c:280: warning: shadowed declaration is here ExternalShell.c: In function `ExternalShellReady': ExternalShell.c:655: warning: declaration of `event' shadows a parameter ExternalShell.c:280: warning: shadowed declaration is here ExternalShell.c: In function `ExternalShellInitialize': ExternalShell.c:255: warning: unused parameter `UNUSED' make[1]: *** [ExternalShell.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/duke42/src/xemacs/src' make: *** [src] Error 2 I compile with gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 20040623 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.4-r1, ssp-3.3.2-2, pie-8.7.6) and ./configure \ --site-prefixes="/usr/X11R6" \ --external-widget \ --without-xim \ --with-pop \ --mail-locking=flock \ --with-gif=yes \ --with-zlib \ --use-number-lib=gmp \ --with-mule \ --error-checking=none \ --with-database=gnudbm \ --pdump \ --use-kkcc \ --with-xfs bye, Adam. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 21:35:32 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M1ZUTG028448; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:30 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M1ZSem028442 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M1ZSnX028441 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M1ZRWB028428 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:27 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M1ZRdQ028427 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:27 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M1ZQGI028420 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:27 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9w28-0003p4-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:35:00 +0900 To: Adam Duck References: <86fz5b70m1.fsf@oumu.localdomain> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:35:00 +0900 In-Reply-To: <86fz5b70m1.fsf@oumu.localdomain> (Adam Duck's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:50:30 +0200") Message-ID: <87mzzjaxx7.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Subject: Re: build failure with newest CVS X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Duck writes: Adam> --external-widget \ Do you actually use the external widget? (It has nothing to do with buffer tabs, etc. Rather, it's like a KPart allowing XEmacs to be embedded as a text widget in other applications. This actually works sort of with Xlib and Motif, but it's mostly bitrotted, and never was updated for GTK or KDE.) If so, inquiring minds want to know about it! I'll get back to you with a real fix (or maybe Jerry James will), but for now just take that option out of your configure line. Unless you're doing something really wizardly, you'll never notice. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 22:44:13 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2i4tf005332; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:10 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2i3YU005315 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:03 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M2i3SH005314 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:03 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2i1RH005296 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:01 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M2i1p2005292 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:44:01 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2hwlV005264; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:43:59 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9x6t-00046F-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:43:59 +0900 To: xemacs-patches@xemacs.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: mike@xemacs.org Subject: [21.5R21.4] After -q offer to load init files, not .emacs X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org 21.5 RECOMMEND 21.4 When xemacs is started with -q (or any of the options that implies it), initialization adds a button to load the init files to the menu bar. The existing test for .emacs is wrong, if someone doesn't have a .emacs. This patch works for me, but I'm not entirely confident it will always work right in the twisty maze of little passages all alike that we name "startup.el". Mike? Also, does anybody feel changing the notation to "Load init files" is likely to confuse someone? I would appreciate review, including comments from testers. Index: lisp/ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/lisp/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.589 diff -u -U0 -r1.589 ChangeLog --- lisp/ChangeLog 22 Sep 2004 02:05:42 -0000 1.589 +++ lisp/ChangeLog 22 Sep 2004 02:38:26 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +2004-09-22 Stephen J. Turnbull + + * menubar-items.el (init-menubar-at-startup): + XEmacs loads "init files", not ".emacs". + Index: lisp/menubar-items.el =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/lisp/menubar-items.el,v retrieving revision 1.42 diff -u -r1.42 menubar-items.el --- lisp/menubar-items.el 19 Apr 2004 08:54:50 -0000 1.42 +++ lisp/menubar-items.el 22 Sep 2004 02:39:25 -0000 @@ -1717,16 +1717,16 @@ (defun init-menubar-at-startup () "Don't call this. -Adds `Load .emacs' button to menubar when starting up with -q." +Adds `Load init files' button to menubar when starting up with -q." (when (and (not load-user-init-file-p) - (file-exists-p (expand-file-name ".emacs" "~"))) + (file-exists-p user-init-file)) (add-menu-button nil - ["%_Load .emacs" + ["%_Load init files" (progn (mapc #'(lambda (buf) (with-current-buffer buf - (delete-menu-item '("Load .emacs")))) + (delete-menu-item '("Load init files")))) (buffer-list)) (load-user-init-file)) ] -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 22:58:12 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2w7YL007153; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:08 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2w5qW007126 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:05 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M2w5BH007123 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:05 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2w1Vn007087 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:02 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M2w1Re007086 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:01 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2vvmQ007060; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:01 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8M2vPno021161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:57:25 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M2vPfQ024435; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:57:25 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M2vPPF024434; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:57:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: Adam Duck References: <86fz5b70m1.fsf@oumu.localdomain> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI X-Generated-By: Patcher version 3.6 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:57:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86fz5b70m1.fsf@oumu.localdomain> (Adam Duck's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:50:30 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Patches , XEmacs Beta Subject: [AC21.5] build failure with newest CVS X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org APPROVE COMMIT 21.5 Hi Adam, Adam Duck wrote: > I can't build my precious xemacs. It dies with: That's me, mucking about with your precious xemacs. As I predicted, I overlooked an #include "compiler.h" or two. src/ChangeLog addition: 2004-09-21 Jerry James * ExternalClient.c: Include compiler.h. * ExternalShell.c: Ditto. xemacs-21.5 source patch: Diff command: cvs -q diff -uN Files affected: src/ExternalShell.c src/ExternalClient.c Index: src/ExternalClient.c =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/ExternalClient.c,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -d -u -r1.6 ExternalClient.c --- src/ExternalClient.c 2004/09/20 19:19:34 1.6 +++ src/ExternalClient.c 2004/09/22 02:49:48 @@ -42,6 +42,7 @@ # include #endif +#include "compiler.h" #include "ExternalClientP.h" #include "extw-Xt.h" Index: src/ExternalShell.c =================================================================== RCS file: /pack/xemacscvs/XEmacs/xemacs/src/ExternalShell.c,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -d -u -r1.6 ExternalShell.c --- src/ExternalShell.c 2004/09/20 19:19:34 1.6 +++ src/ExternalShell.c 2004/09/22 02:49:48 @@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include "compiler.h" #include "ExternalShellP.h" #include "extw-Xt.h" -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 23:01:01 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M310kI007779; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:01:00 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M30xAt007765 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:00:59 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M30wav007764 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:00:58 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M30s4H007750 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:00:54 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M30sMF007749 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:00:54 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M30qGP007739 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:00:54 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M30pTe001577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:00:51 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M30p8U001576; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:00:51 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta References: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86llf37iru.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431341 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 46th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:00:50 +1000 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:16:46 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX package compilation problem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Jerry James writes: > Hmmmmm.... Could you check in the auto-autoloads.el file produced for > the auctex package? In mine, I see this, for example: > (TeX-defun japanese-plain-tex-mode () > but no definition of TeX-defun (not surprising, since it is not > autoloaded). What do you see? I haven't had enough round tuits to be following this all that closely, but I'm pretty sure that my "sanity" patch to auctex takes care of this. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkFQ6uMACgkQHSfbS6lLMANBBQCeKqpIfMMmwvcq4I1JLa5Ra7sd JIUAni3dLxDUJFMe79RGLXhQgcW7M2Ge =hjZ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 23:14:07 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3E26K009619; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:14:02 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3Dx8m009591 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:13:59 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M3DxD1009590 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:13:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3Dw6O009578 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:13:58 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M3Dwir009577 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:13:58 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3DvqB009565 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:13:57 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8M3Dlfp022405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:13:47 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3DkAf024503 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:13:46 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M3Dk1f024502; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:13:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: XEmacs Beta References: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86llf37iru.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:13:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:00:50 +1000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX package compilation problem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Steve Youngs wrote: > * Jerry James writes: > > > Hmmmmm.... Could you check in the auto-autoloads.el file produced for > > the auctex package? In mine, I see this, for example: > > > (TeX-defun japanese-plain-tex-mode () > > > but no definition of TeX-defun (not surprising, since it is not > > autoloaded). What do you see? > > I haven't had enough round tuits to be following this all that > closely, but I'm pretty sure that my "sanity" patch to auctex takes > care of this. Hmmm. I did a "make distclean" before building. Is that not good enough? I'll do a thorough cleaning of my tree tomorrow and rebuild. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Sep 21 23:39:44 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3dUTq012599; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:31 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3dSGS012590 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:28 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M3dSIO012589 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:28 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3dKBv012563 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:20 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M3dK8W012560 for xemacweb@tux.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:20 -0400 Received: from tuxie.homelinux.net (pool-68-237-49-108.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.237.49.108]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M3dJRY012542 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:20 -0400 Received: (from njsf@localhost) by tuxie.homelinux.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) id i8M3dDQ30352; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:39:13 -0500 X-Msgid-Archive-Tag: _-nf--_xmat_-m:xemacs-beta_--- To: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Attribution: njsf From: Nelson Ferreira Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: AUCTeX and overlays-at X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org I am running with the packages in CVS. I am getting undefined function errors from the use of overlays-at in LaTeX-indent-line (latex.el). This function is defined in overlay.el in the fsf-compat package, but that is apparently not being (require)d. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:10:05 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M59st9009371; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M59q96009364 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:52 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M59qwB009363 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:52 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M59onf009347 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:51 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M59osY009346 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:50 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M59noc009334 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:09:50 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M59knM004292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:09:47 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M59kTA004291; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:09:46 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta Keywords: patch,james,xemacs References: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86llf37iru.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431341 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 46th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:09:45 +1000 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:13:46 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX package compilation problem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Jerry James writes: > Steve Youngs wrote: >> * Jerry James writes: >> >> > Hmmmmm.... Could you check in the auto-autoloads.el file produced for >> > the auctex package? In mine, I see this, for example: >> >> > (TeX-defun japanese-plain-tex-mode () >> >> > but no definition of TeX-defun (not surprising, since it is not >> > autoloaded). What do you see? >> >> I haven't had enough round tuits to be following this all that >> closely, but I'm pretty sure that my "sanity" patch to auctex takes >> care of this. > Hmmm. I did a "make distclean" before building. Is that not good > enough? I'll do a thorough cleaning of my tree tomorrow and rebuild. Pretty sure my patch hasn't been applied yet (Uwe has been having some teething problems with XEmacs+his Linux distro so hasn't been able to fully test it yet). Or have you applied my patch locally and you are getting these errors _with_ my patch? -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkFRCRoACgkQHSfbS6lLMAOVtwCg0QCR4Fek6tQb/+TEfbCJZPNo M18An2+OIMadMXQvdOLgqV5S4AirrCN3 =+MQ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:11:55 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Bs9t009980; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:11:54 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5BrVu009974 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:11:53 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5BrFJ009973 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:11:53 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Bqpd009961 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:11:52 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5Bq11009960 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:11:52 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5BobD009939 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:11:51 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Bnjl004500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:11:49 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5Bn7T004499; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:11:49 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta References: From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431341 days till X-Day. Got Slack? X-URL: X-Request-PGP: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint: 1659 2093 19D5 C06E D320 3A20 1D27 DB4B A94B 3003 X-Discordian-Date: Setting Orange, the 46th day of Bureaucracy, 3170. X-Attribution: SY Mail-Followup-To: XEmacs beta Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:11:47 +1000 In-Reply-To: (Jerry James's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:34:27 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and overlays-at X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Jerry James writes: > I am running with the packages in CVS. I am getting undefined function > errors from the use of overlays-at in LaTeX-indent-line (latex.el). > This function is defined in overlay.el in the fsf-compat package, but > that is apparently not being (require)d. Time for me to cvs up I think, because I am not seeing these things here, Jerry. I'll report back in a few... -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkFRCZUACgkQHSfbS6lLMAPGBACeI0S78kmgys5VJB8M6DRzg6Pp yNwAoIBvWvtdKdv6q7Hs5ZEIZvRM2zn2 =3Tg4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:25:04 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Oxwe013222; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:24:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5OuQM013213 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:24:56 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5OuCM013212 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:24:56 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5OtFp013199 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:24:55 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5OteH013198 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:24:55 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (CPE-61-9-212-151.qld.bigpond.net.au [61.9.212.151]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5OsYa013187 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:24:55 -0400 Received: from bastard.youngs.au.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5OqdG004919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:24:52 +1000 Received: (from steve@localhost) by bastard.youngs.au.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5Oqt1004918; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:24:52 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: bastard.youngs.au.com: steve set sender to steve@youngs.au.com using -f Mail-Copies-To: never To: XEmacs beta References: From: Steve Youngs X-Face: %@A&y\ef)A6pi|q43; M>uyhO)~NP*fpdo0XrUuutf0|nku\O5JV(7EG%odc'n6}G@tYRl+B #[n,%B`.sHZ5>3MZvrm%,rWE7)c}ZXjH\>=p@AL\y\gyu|.lJ8B`F++86 Organization: The XEmacs Project X-X-Day: Only 2431341 days till X-Day. 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of steve@youngs.au.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and overlays-at X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org --=-=-= * Steve Youngs writes: * Jerry James writes: >> I am running with the packages in CVS. I am getting undefined >> function errors from the use of overlays-at in LaTeX-indent-line >> (latex.el). This function is defined in overlay.el in the >> fsf-compat package, but that is apparently not being (require)d. > Time for me to cvs up I think, because I am not seeing these > things here, Jerry. > I'll report back in a few... Hmm, for me (with my patch included), auctex compiles clean. Zero errors or warnings in the lisp. I do get a couple of warnings in processing the Texinfo docs, but they still get built so they can't be all _that_ severe. -- |---------------------| | XEmacs - The only _______ you'll ever need. | | Fill in the blank, yes, it's THAT good! | |-------------------------------------| --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Eicq - The XEmacs ICQ Client iEYEABECAAYFAkFRDKQACgkQHSfbS6lLMAPkUACfbLAs+kDRU/kjuBKrIUfPERFB FRsAn1xEqzy0NRaXOrtcjIPUAjGA+bZR =ZgvR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:27:27 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5RPTa014348; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:27:26 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5QJsB013834 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:26:19 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5QJHh013833 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:26:19 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5QIrM013817 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:26:18 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5QIas013816 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:26:18 -0400 Received: from ice.WonderWorks.com (ice-dmz.WonderWorks.com [192.203.206.2]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5QHHJ013807; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:26:17 -0400 Received: from cocoa.WonderWorks.COM by ice.WonderWorks.com with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: cocoa.WonderWorks.COM [192.203.206.88]) id i8M5QGhk000829; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cocoa.WonderWorks.COM (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8D13F23F285; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:26:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16721.3318.877368.208836@cocoa.WonderWorks.COM> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:26:14 -0700 From: Kyle Jones To: Jerry James In-Reply-To: References: <16720.26085.363241.486405@cocoa.WonderWorks.COM> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under 21.4 (patch 15) "Security Through Obscurity" XEmacs Lucid X-Face: /cA45WHG7jWq>(O3&Z57Y<"WsX5ddc,4c#w0F*zrV#=M 0@~@,s;b,aMtR5Sqs"+nU.z^CSFQ9t`z2>W,S,]:[+2^ Nbf6v4g>!&,7R4Ot4Wg{&tm=WX7P["9%a)_da48-^tGy ,qz]Z,Zz\{E.,]'EO+F)@$KtF&V Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of kyle_jones@wonderworks.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 Cc: XEmacs Beta List Subject: Re: [AC21.5] set-itimer-name argument error in itimer.el X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Jerry James writes: > (defun set-itimer-name (itimer name) > "Set the name of ITIMER to be NAME. > NAME is an identifier for the itimer. It must be a string. If an active > itimer already exists with this name, an error is signaled." > (check-string name) > (and (itimer-live-p itimer) > (get-itimer name) > (error "itimer named \"%s\" already existing and activated" name)) > (setcar itimer name)) Perfect. From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:28:59 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Sw03014798; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:28:59 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5SvOp014790 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:28:57 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5SvZ0014789 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:28:57 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5SuKr014776 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:28:56 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5Suwc014775 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:28:56 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5St2u014755 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:28:55 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8M5SkZH001207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:28:46 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5SkVK024986 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:28:46 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5Skm7024985; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:28:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: XEmacs beta References: <867jqnddi2.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <86llf37iru.fsf@mat.ucm.es> From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:28:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:09:45 +1000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX package compilation problem X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Steve Youngs wrote: > Pretty sure my patch hasn't been applied yet (Uwe has been having some > teething problems with XEmacs+his Linux distro so hasn't been able to > fully test it yet). > > Or have you applied my patch locally and you are getting these errors > _with_ my patch? No, I have not applied your patch. I'll give that a try tomorrow (which is actually today <*yawn*>). -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:31:56 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5VtJh015538; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:31:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5UKYK015210 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:30:20 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5UKIC015209 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:30:20 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5UIRK015193 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:30:18 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5UI6l015192 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:30:18 -0400 Received: from stephens.ittc.ku.edu (stephens.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.125.220]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5UI5c015164 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:30:18 -0400 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (diannao.ittc.ku.edu [129.237.126.112]) by stephens.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.10/ITTC-ANTISPAM-ANTIVIRUS-3.1) with ESMTP id i8M5U93Y001310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:09 -0500 Received: from diannao.ittc.ku.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5U9qX025049 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:09 -0500 Received: (from james@localhost) by diannao.ittc.ku.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5U9MY025048; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: diannao.ittc.ku.edu: james set sender to james@eecs.ku.edu using -f To: XEmacs beta References: From: Jerry James X-Face: +5(Pfr,; N>q#6NT,Qi5^TQh-MaUnz#kGN~OW[CQj~RS+sIor( '_8K^f9u^Y#.N`>9oKN$\JpI Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Steve Youngs's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:24:51 +1000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-VirusScan: Clean Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) 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Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of james@eecs.ku.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: AUCTeX and overlays-at X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Steve Youngs wrote: > Hmm, for me (with my patch included), auctex compiles clean. Zero > errors or warnings in the lisp. I do get a couple of warnings in > processing the Texinfo docs, but they still get built so they can't be > all _that_ severe. I am not talking about a compile problem, but a run-time problem. In particular, using the TAB key to indent triggers the error. -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/ From xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Wed Sep 22 01:34:06 2004 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Y5nR016138; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:34:06 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5WtjQ015872 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:32:55 -0400 Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5WtTg015871 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:32:55 -0400 Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5Wr3L015858 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:32:53 -0400 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8M5Wrdi015857 for xemacweb@tux.org; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:32:53 -0400 Received: from tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (mail@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.98.109]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8M5WpsB015839 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:32:52 -0400 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1C9zkK-0006Xf-00 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:32:52 +0900 Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs References: Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:32:51 +0900 Message-ID: <87isa6amws.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SJsxYxlmtWgmGws2KlwgSioWQBU= In-Reply-To: (Allen M. Cohen's message of "Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:28:19 GMT") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Posted-To: comp.emacs.xemacs Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: pass (gwyn.tux.org: localhost is always allowed.) Received-SPF: none (gwyn.tux.org: domain of turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040527, clamav-milter version 0.71c on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on gwyn.tux.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Subject: Re: grep problems XEmacs 21.4.15, latest sumo, Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to comp.emacs.xemacs as well. *Please* send bug reports to xemacs-beta, using M-x report-xemacs-bug. This time, I'm Cc'ing xemacs-beta, but normally this channel is just a black hole for bug reports. >>>>> "Allen" == Allen M Cohen writes: 1) M-x grep, M-x grep-find, et. al. kicks off /bin/grep, which gives "grep finished (N matches found) at