Bug tracker: next steps

[Wulf C. Krueger]

On Friday, 07. September 2007 20:19:00 Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> systems I've worked with on a reasonably frequent basis (Debian,
> Gentoo, 

You have reported exactly *one* bug on bugs.gentoo.org with your 
@xemacs.org address. Any other addresses you want me to check?

> I continue to report bugs to unless I know a maintainer personally,
> because they're basically just black holes.  

Black holes? Excuse me? I'm working my ass off on those bugs I'm 
responsible for (Yes, I'm a Gentoo dev) whereas you guys have failed to 
release a decent XEmacs for how long now?

I've reported more bugs by mail to this list than you ever reported on 
Gentoo and the biggest black hole I've seen around is *this* very list.

You can cite bugs from your head that have been lingering around for years 
but you're worried about a bug tracker not being used or if it can be 
used by email because you're too lazy to use a web-interface.

> Sure, me too.  But we don't have a volunteer to input the -beta
> archives, so for the next three years you're going to periodically be
> browsing through three-year-old emails to get that information.  

That would be a waste of time. Nobody on this list is much likely to work 
on years old stuff anyway if it hasn't been done already.

> most likely the users are going to have mixed feelings about the ITS,
> at best, if we spin it as a way to get dev attention.

How exactly do you think your users feel about this list? Wasting their 
time to report stuff to this black hole only to see his royal highness 
Turnbull comment larmoyantly about stuff rotting in the archives.

Do you *really* think *years* later users still care about the stuff they 
reported way back then? They are more likely to have either switched 
editors long ago or to have lived to learn with the problem.

I'm sure, though, you guys will manage to discuss this whole thing to 
death anyway. Heck, you alone could achieve that...

(Yes, I'm very much annoyed about your uninformed rambling about other 
people's bugtrackers being "black holes".)
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